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William of Waterdeep
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 Posted - 11 Sep 2003 : 22:45:40
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I know portals have been opened to some of the other planes but are they all connected
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Cyric
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Posted - 12 Sep 2003 : 14:04:57
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| Who knows but arent there endless maney planes so i dont think all of them are linked up |
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 13 Sep 2003 : 04:13:57
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| OK what I mean is portals can be opened to Sigal which is on Planescape,can you like wise go to Dragon Lance,Grey Hawk,or any of the other Realms? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 13 Sep 2003 : 05:41:06
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It is all dependent upon which edition (1e-2e-3e) of planar cosmology that you are using.
You access any alternate Material Plane (whether that be another D&D campaign setting, or something of your own creation) via the Plane of Shadow, which links all alternate realities (unless specifically stated otherwise in the relevant campaign book).
The Astral and Ethereal planes have very few connections (if at all) between other realms (although, the demi-plane of Ravenloft is the exception). They are in fact transitive planes. You use them to travel elsewhere within the planar make-up.
In 2e Sigil had a portal to nearly every Material Plane (campaign setting). However in 3e cosmology, this is no longer the case, unless you include Sigil in your campaign setting, and make it the center of the multiverse.
I'll explain more when I have more time...
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 14 Sep 2003 : 20:50:51
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| Thank you Sage,That partly answers my question.I would really love to hear more.Sorry that I am not up on this and I didn't realize that 3e changed Sigil's portals to other planes.Please tell me more!!!! |
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The Cardinal
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Posted - 14 Sep 2003 : 22:21:22
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Actually, Sage, Sigil still has connections/portals to other campaign settings. But These like the planewalking trait gained from finding the Harmonica somewhere within the Plane of Pandemonium, are Rumored... but have the possibility of still being there ( they are not rebuked...or turned ) The option of travelling is to other Material Planes is also experimented in the BG series ( I know alot of you don't like it but for me it was what got me into D&D in the first place).
Anyways an object called a Planar Sphere had appearently travelled to the Dragonlance setting a picked up a Knights from orders of: The Rose, The Sword, and The Crown. As well as the halfings from a darksun setting ( Canibalistic Feral halflings appearently, but I do not know for certain).
Plus there's rumored to be portals still active in eastern Mulhorand, that are still connected to Imaskar strongholds and inturn connected to where they had taken the slaves that have become the Mulhorandi from. Although I would think these portals are better off lost.
Back on track it is not denied that there could be portals from sigil to other Campaign settings, the danger is that: A) you'd have to wander Sigil untill your lucky enough to find the right portal, and B) Being not a sage, I have no Idea how Sigil is connected to Faerun ( Sage himself might know but alas I do not).
A ...bit longwinded but my arguement is presented thus... Oh You could try the realms of Baator and The Abyss though... even the Demonweb pits.. if you be mad enough to try.. Kinda like me... |
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 14 Sep 2003 : 22:29:43
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| Sage, Hope I didn't sound too obnoxious with my begging for information.I thought I should explain my motives to give you an understanding of my situation.(1):I know you and others here are more knowledgable than myself(not flattery,the simple truth)on D&D,especially the Forgotten Realms,(2):I had a chance to bid on material from other D&D realms,mostly "Grey Hawk","Dragon Lance",and "Planscape".I was hoping to see if these could be tied in together before I commited money for the resourses but I am sure they will be an investment if nothing else. |
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Arivia
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Posted - 15 Sep 2003 : 02:39:04
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Another few ways to get to the basic D&D cosmology:
It's very likely that the Infinite Staircase has a link to Toril somewhere on it.
If you use the city of Union(from the Epic Level Handbook) in your games, the Planar Gate probably links to Waterdeep somewhere during its cycle.
Also in Union, it would be possible to add a Toril Road to the Commerce Quarter. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 15 Sep 2003 : 03:56:43
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Sage is the local expert on all things Planar.  However, I can answer part of that. Sigil and the Planscape setting have been dropped from official D&D.  Sage said The Manual of the Planes is close to it, though. However, he's had some rather nasty things to say (between the lines, though) about what they did to his beloved planes, at least as they connect to Toril.
And the Infinite Staircase does indeed connect to Toril, or it did in 2e. Torilians call it the Celestial Staircase, though. Y'all ought to find that name familiar. |
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Arivia
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Posted - 15 Sep 2003 : 04:04:14
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| I don't like what they did to the paraelemental and quasielemental planes in the D&D 3rd edition cosmology. Most everything else is mostly the same, although I like the arm-long list of variants on existing planes and optional planes. However, I hate what they did to the planes in the Forgotten Realms. I long ago relocated the Faerunian deities to their corresponding planes/layers in the core D&D cosmology. I might consider going back to the standard Realmsian layout, but only if someone created write-ups on the Realmsian planes that are equivalents of the ones in the Manual of the Planes or at least the 3.5 DMG. |
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William of Waterdeep
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Sep 2003 : 14:12:43
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Cardinal Deimos said -
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Sigil still has connections/portals to other campaign settings.
That is still to be decided, at least to a point. With the reworking of the planar cosmology, and the changes made from 1e, and 2e, Sigil's place as the center of the multiverse is entirely dependent upon the campaign setting that you use. Most 3e FR gamers I talk to, don't have Sigil in the Realms-cosmology at all.
As for having portals to other campaign settings, in 2e that was true. But the reworking in 3e has seen some changes (still mostly unknown until the release of the CS) that will alter that.
Cardinal Deimos also said -
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A) you'd have to wander Sigil untill your lucky enough to find the right portal,
That is only part of the problem. You can find the right portal, but if you don't have the right key to access it, then all your efforts have been for naught.
Cardinal Deimos has some other things to say -
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I have no Idea how Sigil is connected to Faerun
Bookwyrm is right. The Infinite (or rather Celestial) Staircase does indeed connect to Faerun (and in PS 3e it doesn't seem to have changed). So in a way, it can be said that the Realms are connected to the Planes, although this is still tentative until the release of the PS3e CS.
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If you use the city of Union...
I did something like that, only I replaced Sigil with a combination of the city of Union, and a modified version of the Nexus from Monte Cooke's Eldritch Magic books. Lots of fun... .
William, just be aware that most of the material presented on the official PS3e site, is still in draft format, and none of the details are finalised as yet. Although the write-ups on the factions are all but complete. Also most of the material present there assumes that your have at least a familiarity with the basics of the 2e Planescape setting, or at least looked through the boxed set.
As for Faerun being mentioned in the 3e material...I have been asking that same question since PS3e was first considered a viable option.
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The Cardinal
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Posted - 15 Sep 2003 : 22:11:45
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I humbly bow before your greater working knowledge Sage .
I Although I must say it is the planes that intrest me as well, a great deal infact. or at least the lower ones of course to find(or create) a connection from Faerun to the Far Realms, now there is a quest of.... heroic... levels. I see a great future ahead of us... and a VERY long trek for me to attempt to unseat you as Sage of the Planes |
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 16 Sep 2003 : 03:00:39
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Sage,I do thank you very much!!!! I know you are busy and I appreciate
your time.
How you keep track of everything is amazing to me.I had been hoping you would come back and make a posting to help me see something solid about this because lots of different opinions are floating.I will believe you and I guess we will have to wait for the 3eCS then.Hopefully 3e will not change everything.I think Sigil holds as much intrigue as Waterdeep does.
I was hoping to move to Sigil after retiring from adventuring |
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The Sage
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Posted - 16 Sep 2003 : 08:35:36
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 Thank you William.
Anyway, just remember that in your campaign, you can pretty much do whatever you want with Sigil, and it's connection to other planes. At present, in my campaign Sigil connects only to Faerun, Oerth, and Amasaria (a home-brew world). The Demiplane of Dread (otherwise known as Ravenloft) has been cast out of the Ethereal Plane (a long story), so no connection exists there. And the world of Krynn is currently under the influence of my own created planar cosmology (an experiment in planes-creation).
Cardinal Deimos said -
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I Although I must say it is the planes that intrest me as well, a great deal infact. or at least the lower ones...
I am partial to Mechanus myself.
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a connection from Faerun to the Far Realms, now there is a quest of.... heroic... levels.
The strange thing about this is, that I was thinking about the same thing on Saturday night. I was listening to a Githyanki music composition I download some time ago, when the idea of using the Far Realms, and connecting portals to Faerun (as disturbing as that sounds) 'popped' into my mind (actually I was also reading over the Far Realms entry in MotP, but... ). I was considering posting the question here, but from what I know, most scribes here don't have access to MotP 3e. Although those that have the Illithiad tome will know what I am talking about.
Anyway, since you mentioned it, are you interesting in helping me generate some ideas?.
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Arivia
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Posted - 16 Sep 2003 : 08:39:37
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The Sage
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Posted - 16 Sep 2003 : 09:05:54
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Okay .
Basically, what I am looking for is a way (and within reason) to establish portal connections between Faerun and the Far Realms. I believe that the stone keep Xaxox may be of some use in this.
Thoughts?.
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Arivia
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Posted - 16 Sep 2003 : 09:20:07
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| From reading the entry on the Far Realm, the only two possible ideas are Xaxox and ancient elves. If you read pg. 212 of the Manual of the Planes, under Far Realm Links, it describes "...ancient elves once pierced the boundary of eons with a vast portal to the Far Realm, but their civilization imploded in bloody terror..." Perhaps the implosion described is the Crown Wars? Daruth Winterwood (of Xaxox) is seeking to bring the Far Realm to the Material Plane. Perhaps he could open the elven portal? If not, then he could conceivably open one of his small portals, and be aided by clergy of *insert appropriate FR deity here* . If, one of the portals was affected by a wild magic zone (either by being created in or having one spring up around it), portals to the Far Realm could spread like wildfire. Any suggestions, Sage? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 16 Sep 2003 : 10:14:15
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I certainly like this idea, and it ties in nicely with Faerunian history.
Let me tinker with it a bit here, before I make some modifications of my own.
I'll post some ideas tomorrow.
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 16 Sep 2003 : 19:02:44
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I think you covered what I was questioning!! I have Planescape material (2e) on the way and working on 3e,so although I would love to help with your discussion I am afraid I haven't the knowledge or resources at this time to make posts.But thank you all and I will follow your posts.
 Special Thanks to you Sage for taking this subject and running with it.I know you have limited time and I am happy your interest is genuine.I look forward to learning from your knowledgable posts. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 17 Sep 2003 : 06:57:33
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You could probably still contribute to the Far Realms discussion William. Given the chaotic and undisciplined nature of the 'plane', anything is possible.
Also, the Far Realms are mentioned in other 3e materials, they are small mentions yes, but they are there. Just look for them.
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Arivia
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Posted - 17 Sep 2003 : 10:47:27
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| I posted a partial list of the mentions in the Far Realms scroll. |
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 17 Sep 2003 : 20:59:10
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Originally posted by Sage of Perth
You could probably still contribute to the Far Realms discussion William. Given the chaotic and undisciplined nature of the 'plane', anything is possible.
Also, the Far Realms are mentioned in other 3e materials, they are small mentions yes, but they are there. Just look for them.
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Thanks Sage but I have Planescape material on the way that should help
me be a little more informed when speaking on the subject.Its all 2e
but I have (1)"On Hallowed Ground",(2)"2e PSCS",(3)"A guide to the Astral plane",(4)"PS Well of Worlds",(5)"Sigil and beyond".All should help me some what.Do you recommend any others, Sage? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 18 Sep 2003 : 08:12:22
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Well, it really all depends on whether you want to play a Sigil-based campaign, or Planes-related campaign.
But since you asked -
- Guide to the Ethereal Plane, the most impressive work on the Ethereal Plane that I have even read
- Planewalker's Handbook, revises the PSCS, and establishes some important information, as well as expanding some material already presented
- Faction War, this is an accessory/adventure module, but it is worth purchasing because the Faction War was one of the most defining moments in Sigilian history
- Dead Gods, again another important adventure module
- The Great Modron March, another great adventure (I really only mentioned this because Modrons are my favorite creatures
- A Player's Primer to the Outlands, a tome detailing the all important Outlands region, and the gatetowns (I believe you can download the interactive CD that was released with this tome (for free) from the WotC website - it's located here)
- Planes of ... series of boxed sets, these detail the planes of Law, Conflict, and Chaos, in greater detail and have large amounts of extra adventure and campaign information
- Uncaged: Faces of Sigil, a who's who guide to nearly ever important high-up in the City of Doors
- and lastly Factol's Manifesto, the complete guide to the Factions of Planescape
That is a rough listing of the most basic source materials to establish an understanding of the Planescape setting. There are a few other tomes, but most of the information presented in them is dealt with in most of these tomes.
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 19 Sep 2003 : 01:39:21
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Thanks Sage,I would like to play both.Thanks for the list.I have been looking at some of these same books and adventures but I wasn't sure about my choices.I have about spent out for the month but mabye soon.Thanks for the link also.Could you put your post in PDF for me.Okay,i'm joking but you would be the one the one to setup a new
Planes bibliograpy if we had a place to put it. For now i'll cut and paste your post to text doc. |
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The Cardinal
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Posted - 19 Sep 2003 : 05:48:01
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Ok, I'm going to try to recap a bit on the 'How many planes connect to the realms' theories.
In General we're asking what other CS can be reached from the realms, using cannon right?
We Know Sigil can fo sure (?) and from there we can access others
Is that the Just of it? Oh and I believe it was Bookwyrm who also mentioned the celestial staircase right? I mentioned my own inane babble rants, and... I think the Ethereal and Astral ( that's what i got from Sage's recomendations for books to look for).
It that the just of it or have I totally gone off track? |
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Arivia
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Posted - 19 Sep 2003 : 06:00:12
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Here I come to clear things up:
According to official D&D/FR canon, the only way to actually reach alternate campaign settings is by traveling through the Plane of Shadow. In this topic, we've discussed many other options, including adding Realms links to the Endless Staircase/Celestial Staircase or to Union, or finding a portal to the Realms in Sigil. The reason for the cross-campaign setting links being dropped in 3rd ed is the separate cosmology change. In the Manual of the Planes, it tells about how each campaign setting now has its own cosmology. The Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting didn't help, presenting a very brief section on the Realms' cosmology, and then proceeding to confuse new players with notes on Realmspace. Admittedly,the separate cosmology change gave the creators of new campaign settings more to play around with, but did eliminate the carefully created system of cross campaign setting links created in 2nd edition, and further expanded upon with the Planescape campaign setting. The Planescape campaign setting, as presented in its original texts, no longer works in D&D because of the separate cosmology change. The Great Wheel still exists, it's just now associated with the core D&D campaign setting. Sage, correct me if I've made any errors. |
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 19 Sep 2003 : 08:03:29
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I think I understand.Although I may only think I do.But because Forgotten Realms is 3e and Planescape and some of the others are still
waiting on 3e they split them because of rule differances.If I am correct then will 3.5 widen this. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 19 Sep 2003 : 08:49:32
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Actually Arivia, that is pretty much all correct .
As a matter of note, the 3e FR cosmology has never had any basis in my FR campaigns. I have always used the planar cosmology first outlined in the 1e DMG, and 1e MotP. Of course the material was expanded upon with 2e, and then the whole 'Spelljammer/Crystal Sphere/Planescape' cosmology amalgamated the entire AD&D multiverse into a unique whole. That made things easier to run when adventures and campaigns crossed over between different campaign settings.
Unique events in the separate campaign settings sometimes nullified this connection though. For example, refer to the Chaos War and 'loss' of Krynn to the standard mulitverse cosmology, or the inability to access Athasspace from the Flow.
All the campaigns that I have run and will run all use the modified 3e PS cosmology as presented in 3e MotP. This will likely change with the 3e PSCS, but until that time I am happy to use the tools that are available at the moment.
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We Know Sigil can fo sure (?) and from there we can access others
Is that the Just of it? Oh and I believe it was Bookwyrm who also mentioned the celestial staircase right? I mentioned my own inane babble rants, and... I think the Ethereal and Astral
There are a number of other possibilities, but they are not canon, and therefore unofficial. I could list a few if anybody is interested, I just need to access my archives.
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 19 Sep 2003 : 18:54:01
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Sage of Perth(QUOTE:)
There are a number of other possibilities, but they are not canon, and therefore unofficial. I could list a few if anybody is interested, I just need to access my archives.
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Please do Sage!!! I think you are like Spock on StarTrek,your posts
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