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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Dec 2010 :  16:10:41  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Foxhelm, according to my notes taken during Realmsplay with Ed (because we Knights have met more than one of these individuals, over the years) such a headhunter/talent scout is called either a "wiseeye" or a "finding eye" in the Heartlands of the Realms.
Ed confirms this, and adds that the "wiseeye" term is older and Sword Coast-based, and the "finding eye" is newer and most popular in Amn, Westgate, and Sembia. More formally, when such a job description becomes a title (as in a "type" of courtier), the role of talent scout is known as a "lorntavar."


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Wiseeye is close to wise guy, in pronunciation... Which makes me wonder what the Realms phrase/word for that would be. I speak of course of the smart aleck or smartass sense of the word, not the organized crime sense of the word.

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Foxhelm
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Posted - 07 Dec 2010 :  16:16:40  Show Profile  Click to see Foxhelm's MSN Messenger address  Send Foxhelm a Yahoo! Message Send Foxhelm a Private Message
Well, might as well state why I was looking up talent scout. Looking for a fancy priest title for a cleric of Finder. I can imagine the clergy inventing and reinventing titles, but one of the aspects of the church is to find an artist/talent and give them a venue so they can sink or swim.

So Headhunter/Talent Scout might be a term favoured by the church.

Thanks.

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I can't see modern real-world terms being used by a church in the Realms. I'd coin a title having something to do with "seeker," myself. Heartseeker?
And Wooly, I think Ed recently provided a Realms term for a smartass/smart aleck, somewhere here at the Keep, or someone quoted him secondhand . . .
Arggh. Getting old, forgetting things.
(Heh. Wonder how ED feels, considering all he has stuffed into his head.)

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Posted - 07 Dec 2010 :  16:29:52  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Foxhelm, according to my notes taken during Realmsplay with Ed (because we Knights have met more than one of these individuals, over the years) such a headhunter/talent scout is called either a "wiseeye" or a "finding eye" in the Heartlands of the Realms.
Ed confirms this, and adds that the "wiseeye" term is older and Sword Coast-based, and the "finding eye" is newer and most popular in Amn, Westgate, and Sembia. More formally, when such a job description becomes a title (as in a "type" of courtier), the role of talent scout is known as a "lorntavar."


So saith Ed. Wheee, more fast-flowing Realmslore!
love,
THO



Wiseeye is close to wise guy, in pronunciation... Which makes me wonder what the Realms phrase/word for that would be. I speak of course of the smart aleck or smartass sense of the word, not the organized crime sense of the word.

Actually, Ed, I'd be interested in the "organised crime sense of the word" -- if it is applicable in the Realms, as it'd tie into something I'm thinking about at the moment.

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Asharak
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quote:
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1346: Naval Battle of Lisen Sands.

Does anyone know more about this?

That's occur on the River Lis, but what else?

Who are the fighters?



I ask this in another thread and the scribes send me here...

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I remember Ed saying something about it in an "Elminster's Everwinking Eye" column in Polyhedron. He covered Mulmaster in issues 64 through 68 (I think), but the River Lis fighting was mentioned in a brief news and rumors (the "Current Clack" Ed included at the end of some EEE columns, and may have been in a different Poly issue entirely.
Anyone who owns all of the Poly issues able to help?
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Dec 2010 :  18:28:19  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
It was suggested that I bring this idea to Ed...

Hypothetically speaking, what do you think would happen if a half-dragon descended from Thauglor popped up in Cormyr? If this half-dragon tried to make a claim on the throne, how would everyone (commoners, nobles, royals, Vangey) react? Even more, what if this half-dragon was descended from Thauglor on one side and Azoun IV on the other?

Or how about a descendant of Iliphar?

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Hypothetically speaking, what do you think would happen if...
Would like to second these questions, as they are awesome (i.e., total fodder for campaign and story ideas).
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Zireael
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

It was suggested that I bring this idea to Ed...

Hypothetically speaking, what do you think would happen if a half-dragon descended from Thauglor popped up in Cormyr? If this half-dragon tried to make a claim on the throne, how would everyone (commoners, nobles, royals, Vangey) react? Even more, what if this half-dragon was descended from Thauglor on one side and Azoun IV on the other?

Or how about a descendant of Iliphar?



The idea is so awesome that I'm going to write that guy up!

There is a descendant of Iliphar (or rather, House Amaratharr, which he was a part of) in the canon Realms - Djalia Amaratharr from F&P.

That reminds me - any chance of Ed revealing anything more about that House or about the children of Alea Dahast and Baerauble Etharr?

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Dec 2010 :  19:44:45  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Hypothetically speaking, what do you think would happen if...
Would like to second these questions, as they are awesome (i.e., total fodder for campaign and story ideas).




Except for the Iliphar descendant, I originally suggested these to someone who was wanting to create a situation in Cormyr.

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The Sage
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 :  00:28:17  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

It was suggested that I bring this idea to Ed...

Hypothetically speaking, what do you think would happen if a half-dragon descended from Thauglor popped up in Cormyr? If this half-dragon tried to make a claim on the throne, how would everyone (commoners, nobles, royals, Vangey) react? Even more, what if this half-dragon was descended from Thauglor on one side and Azoun IV on the other?

Or how about a descendant of Iliphar?

Hmmm.

Ed, as an addendum to this, I'd like to nail down a particular time-period to the Iliphar query. I'm thinking this would be an interesting circumstance for when Iliphar is ruling over Cormanthir. Any thoughts on that?

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Also, Ed, while I'm tapping you on the virtual shoulder, can I ask that you consider the following brief exchanges from the "Elminster Must Die--Hit or Miss?" scroll:-
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by dennis

quote:
Originally posted by Arik

quote:
dennis
[Elminster] nor Storm couldn't cast powerful spells to turn himself into a lich, a vampire, or whatever form or undeath to continue existing, while the "possession" required but a little magic Storm could readily cast. Not to mention, it would make him a little less conspicuous to his enemies.
Okay, so now I've spoilered it all up, perhaps I'll forget this thread by the time the entire (first) trilogy is available for me to read.

But question:
El can't lich himself? Why not? He's eminently qualified. Is this some downside to being (ex-)Chosen? Don't answer if it's an explicit story component and some perfectly plausible story explanation is given.



Casting a very simple spell alone (except from those ready-to-use wands) makes him mad. How much more a series of complicated spells required for liching?!

Indeed. Though, it's important to note that just as there are different kinds of liches [Larloch and Druth Daern are examples] there are different kinds of lichnee processes. But there are many other practical and personal reasons stopping mages from turning themselves into animated corpses.

I'd actually pose this question to Ed. I'm very curious to hear what his response would be.

And:-
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

As for the baelnorn path... Hmmm. I would see baelnorns as "good elven undead" only with regard to the purpose of their creation.

As noted in Cormanthyr -- "Baelnorn, the willing undead elves, are the elven equivalent of liches, though they are hardly as disturbingly “wrong” as the corrupt undead and they do not project the fearsome aura of those wicked creatures."

...

They are the elven equivalent of a lich... but, at the same time, are also something more that is entirely, and specifically... elven.

So, maybe, El's status as a Chosen of Mystra [and being "super-human" for lack of a better term] would, ultimately, impact upon his baelnorn-like conversion. Maybe the powers of Mystra coursing through his veins would protect him from the harsher aspects involved in the lichnee process. Resulting in, perhaps, a super-human baelnorn-like entity.

Or it could simply be a case of the Mystra-derived immortality being extended in ways that only a Chosen can understand. So instead of considering the path of lichdom for El, we should think about how his existing element of immortality can be re-worked to allow a lichdom-like state -- both before and after the Spellplague.
Also:-
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Actually, thinking on this further [and after digesting a rather unhealthy lunch], I'm remembering back to something Ed said several years ago about Larloch possibly creating his own unique and "better" lichdom spells and processes.

I'm wondering, now, whether this isn't also something that Elminster could try -- only the process might involve transforming the former Sage of Shadowdale into something akin to a human-baelnorn.
As a hypothetical, what would be your thoughts on this? I'm simply curious.

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Ayrik
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There's a little more talk about this unliving "baelminster" creature in the same scroll, starting at about the middle of this page.

Eat lots of garlic - it keeps the elves and vampires away.
Don't stick your sword into dragons, you just don't know where they've been.
Avoid stepping on halflings. They stick to your boots, will smell awful, and are impossible to scrape off.
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 :  03:01:27  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. I bring you Ed's response to Wooly Rupert, re. this: "It was suggested that I bring this idea to Ed...
Hypothetically speaking, what do you think would happen if a half-dragon descended from Thauglor popped up in Cormyr? If this half-dragon tried to make a claim on the throne, how would everyone (commoners, nobles, royals, Vangey) react? Even more, what if this half-dragon was descended from Thauglor on one side and Azoun IV on the other?
Or how about a descendant of Iliphar?"
Ed replies:


Hi, Wooly. I have to be careful what I say here, due to two outstanding NDAs (which, yes, should lead everyone to suspect that this is a topic that has already been considered amongst Realms creatives). The short answer to all four of these queries is that reactions would be 'all over the map,' so to speak.
Vangey (or his successors) are primarily concerned with the stability of the Dragon Throne. HOW they will guard the throne depends on who it is doing the guarding (Vangey or Caladnei or . . .), what the situation is in the kingdom, and what events unfold.
There will always be nobles who will fiercely oppose any non-pureblood-human vying for the throne, and fight one who seizes it. Then again, there will always be nobles who seize on any pretender, potential usurper, or rival claimant to the current holder of the throne, and advance this challenge to the reigning monarch or regent, for reasons of personal gain, or to "reform" the realm, or for other reasons specific to them.
Individual Obarskyrs will have a wide variety of reactions to any rival/newcomer (but will tend to resist "bastards" in favor of the kin they know, except as pawns/allies against specific kin they hate or fear, because there are SO many bastards around already, and they would rather support and work with bastards they know well, and personally like. War Wizards and many senior-in-years nobles will react in the same way, and for the same reasons . . . but it's important to remember that there are no "class-wide" reactions to claimants, half-dragon or otherwise.
Or to put it another way, not all commoners will think X, all nobles think X or Y, and all royals think X or Y or Z. Everyone will react individually.
If any stereotypes about Cormyreans can be advanced, there will be general prejudices like this: we prefer humans we know, and know to be Cormyrean born and bred and resident, over humans who "come out of nowhere" or are known to have been far away from Cormyr for some time. We will prefer humans over non-humans (such as elves; many oldblood families, noble or common, believe "Cormyr" is a human land wrested from elves who should never be allowed to return to anything resembling power, locally) and we will prefer human-like, "civilized" non-humans (elves, halflings, gnomes, dwarves) over known-to-be-dangerous races (half-orcs, orcs and goblins, etc.), and those "evil folk" over "monstrous half-breeds" (shapechangers, lizardfolk-like half-dragons with scales and tails and other obvious "this ain't a human" features.
That isn't to say that certain nobles and wizards of Cormyr (including War Wizards) won't be fascinated by a half-dragon, and their potential power, or with elves of the lineage of Iliphar (and more than one such individual is known to exist, in Cormyr, though the Royal Court isn't certain of all of their identities or whereabouts) . . . but the general bulk of the populace is going to want a human king or queen, preferably of the House of Obarskyr or failing that bastard offspring of the traceable blood of the Obarskyrs or perhaps Baerauble, and failing that of one of the oldblood families (and at this point, of course, the fierce struggle over WHICH ruling family would erupt, probably into open civil war).
Yet Cormyr will always be a place where bastards and other throne claimants wait in the wings, supported by this or that cabal of nobles and watched by the War Wizards and various Crown agents.
A half-dragon claimant who can claim AND PROVE (to most who care) descent from both Thauglor and Azoun IV would have a stronger claim (and public support) than any other half-dragon, but by no means more than the scores to hundreds of human Cormyreans who can claim and prove Azoun IV's involvement in their ancestry, or Obarskyr blood from other monarchs (or princes, who at the time of the dalliances hadn't yet come to the throne).
In fact, what keeps Cormyr from erupting in civil strife often is the counterbalance between SO MANY possible (weak) claimants. Eliminate all fullblood Obarskyrs, and all of those claimants come into play, yes, but then it becomes a game of "who can stay alive?" among the claimants.
And remember: a half-dragon would probably still have a claim that was weaker in public support than, say, a certain ghazneth with the last name Cormaeril . . .


So saith Ed. Who has talked at great length with TSR and later WotC designers about such matters, I happen to know (because I eavesdrop shamelessly when it suits me to do so).
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 :  03:07:25  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
And hello again, everyone.
Sage, Ed dropped me a quick e-mail in response to your lichdom queries, and here it is:


Hoo boy. Thick NDAs looming all around on this one, but I can go far enough to say: Elminster is well aware of (and possesses the notes, spells, and necessary "ingredients"/apparatus for) many methods of attaining lichnee status, that he's acquired and studied over the years. Thus far he has actively dabbled in none of them, and that's due in part to the silver fire and active Weave flows and use not mixing well with lichdom. Which is where I'd best stop spilling beans for now . . .


So saith Ed. Who has obviously worked all of this out and communicated it with designers working at TSR (and possibly, later, at WotC), but just as obviously isn't free to share much more.
Yet.
Heh-heh.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Oh, and my inbox also contained some brief passages in e-mails from Ed that permit me to say:
Red Walker, Ed hears your hint re. Ander loud and clear. Time is the treasure . . .
Mr_Miscellany, there are indeed "ghost stories" told among War Wizards about predecessors in their ranks. Again, it may take some time before Ed can get to imparting any of them . . .
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THO
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Thank you for your response to the liching question, THO/Ed.

Silverfire and liching are incompatible, eh? And liches are not sustained by the Weave, eh? I won't pressure you to say any more about this "thick with NDAs topic", you have answered the question already and have other queries pressing upon you.

I've attempted to merge all further discussion about the topic into this scroll, for those who are interested.

Eat lots of garlic - it keeps the elves and vampires away.
Don't stick your sword into dragons, you just don't know where they've been.
Avoid stepping on halflings. They stick to your boots, will smell awful, and are impossible to scrape off.
Ah, of course. Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
[/Ayrik]

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Oh, and my inbox also contained some brief passages in e-mails from Ed that permit me to say:
Red Walker, Ed hears your hint re. Ander loud and clear. Time is the treasure . . .
Mr_Miscellany, there are indeed "ghost stories" told among War Wizards about predecessors in their ranks. Again, it may take some time before Ed can get to imparting any of them . . .
love,
THO



My thanks once again...and that was honestly more of a stream of thought comment, rather than a hint

The great answer about Korvan makes me wonder just how much Ed had worked up for Spellfire than got published and could lead to endless questions. In your opinion Lady, is there enough to have done another novel or been a trilogy out of the Spellfire works?

The one that burns brightest is the bit where The Shadowsil has taken Shandril to the dracolich and is questioning her. She seems to think/ hope that she is a runaway princess Alusair. Was she looking based on a rumor or had Alusair at that time indeed "run off"? If so can anything be shared about her little adventure?

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John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

And hello again, everyone.
Sage, Ed dropped me a quick e-mail in response to your lichdom queries, and here it is:


Hoo boy. Thick NDAs looming all around on this one, but I can go far enough to say: Elminster is well aware of (and possesses the notes, spells, and necessary "ingredients"/apparatus for) many methods of attaining lichnee status, that he's acquired and studied over the years. Thus far he has actively dabbled in none of them, and that's due in part to the silver fire and active Weave flows and use not mixing well with lichdom. Which is where I'd best stop spilling beans for now . . .


So saith Ed. Who has obviously worked all of this out and communicated it with designers working at TSR (and possibly, later, at WotC), but just as obviously isn't free to share much more.
Yet.
Heh-heh.
love,
THO

Ah. Very interesting. Thank you Ed, and the lovely Lady Hooded One.

I've an additional query [not tied to this particular piece of lore], but I want to keep it private for the time being. So expect an email shortly.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. I bring you Ed's response to Wooly Rupert, re. this: "It was suggested that I bring this idea to Ed...
Hypothetically speaking, what do you think would happen if a half-dragon descended from Thauglor popped up in Cormyr? If this half-dragon tried to make a claim on the throne, how would everyone (commoners, nobles, royals, Vangey) react? Even more, what if this half-dragon was descended from Thauglor on one side and Azoun IV on the other?
Or how about a descendant of Iliphar?"
Ed replies:


Hi, Wooly. I have to be careful what I say here, due to two outstanding NDAs (which, yes, should lead everyone to suspect that this is a topic that has already been considered amongst Realms creatives). The short answer to all four of these queries is that reactions would be 'all over the map,' so to speak.
Vangey (or his successors) are primarily concerned with the stability of the Dragon Throne. HOW they will guard the throne depends on who it is doing the guarding (Vangey or Caladnei or . . .), what the situation is in the kingdom, and what events unfold.
There will always be nobles who will fiercely oppose any non-pureblood-human vying for the throne, and fight one who seizes it. Then again, there will always be nobles who seize on any pretender, potential usurper, or rival claimant to the current holder of the throne, and advance this challenge to the reigning monarch or regent, for reasons of personal gain, or to "reform" the realm, or for other reasons specific to them.
Individual Obarskyrs will have a wide variety of reactions to any rival/newcomer (but will tend to resist "bastards" in favor of the kin they know, except as pawns/allies against specific kin they hate or fear, because there are SO many bastards around already, and they would rather support and work with bastards they know well, and personally like. War Wizards and many senior-in-years nobles will react in the same way, and for the same reasons . . . but it's important to remember that there are no "class-wide" reactions to claimants, half-dragon or otherwise.
Or to put it another way, not all commoners will think X, all nobles think X or Y, and all royals think X or Y or Z. Everyone will react individually.
If any stereotypes about Cormyreans can be advanced, there will be general prejudices like this: we prefer humans we know, and know to be Cormyrean born and bred and resident, over humans who "come out of nowhere" or are known to have been far away from Cormyr for some time. We will prefer humans over non-humans (such as elves; many oldblood families, noble or common, believe "Cormyr" is a human land wrested from elves who should never be allowed to return to anything resembling power, locally) and we will prefer human-like, "civilized" non-humans (elves, halflings, gnomes, dwarves) over known-to-be-dangerous races (half-orcs, orcs and goblins, etc.), and those "evil folk" over "monstrous half-breeds" (shapechangers, lizardfolk-like half-dragons with scales and tails and other obvious "this ain't a human" features.
That isn't to say that certain nobles and wizards of Cormyr (including War Wizards) won't be fascinated by a half-dragon, and their potential power, or with elves of the lineage of Iliphar (and more than one such individual is known to exist, in Cormyr, though the Royal Court isn't certain of all of their identities or whereabouts) . . . but the general bulk of the populace is going to want a human king or queen, preferably of the House of Obarskyr or failing that bastard offspring of the traceable blood of the Obarskyrs or perhaps Baerauble, and failing that of one of the oldblood families (and at this point, of course, the fierce struggle over WHICH ruling family would erupt, probably into open civil war).
Yet Cormyr will always be a place where bastards and other throne claimants wait in the wings, supported by this or that cabal of nobles and watched by the War Wizards and various Crown agents.
A half-dragon claimant who can claim AND PROVE (to most who care) descent from both Thauglor and Azoun IV would have a stronger claim (and public support) than any other half-dragon, but by no means more than the scores to hundreds of human Cormyreans who can claim and prove Azoun IV's involvement in their ancestry, or Obarskyr blood from other monarchs (or princes, who at the time of the dalliances hadn't yet come to the throne).
In fact, what keeps Cormyr from erupting in civil strife often is the counterbalance between SO MANY possible (weak) claimants. Eliminate all fullblood Obarskyrs, and all of those claimants come into play, yes, but then it becomes a game of "who can stay alive?" among the claimants.
And remember: a half-dragon would probably still have a claim that was weaker in public support than, say, a certain ghazneth with the last name Cormaeril . . .


So saith Ed. Who has talked at great length with TSR and later WotC designers about such matters, I happen to know (because I eavesdrop shamelessly when it suits me to do so).
love,
THO



Hmm, not quite what I expected... But still interesting!

As always, thanks for the reply!

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I can't see modern real-world terms being used by a church in the Realms.


Sadly no one told the guy who wrote Ruins of Adventure and assigned "Bishops" to Tyr.
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I notice that Ed's contribution to Paizo's webfiction serials will start next wednesday. Care to tease us about the contents Ed?

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quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade

I can't see modern real-world terms being used by a church in the Realms.


Sadly no one told the guy who wrote Ruins of Adventure and assigned "Bishops" to Tyr.


Well... not in the Realms no, but in defence of the author - Ruins of Adventure came out under 1E, and 1E did have level titles for the main classes, including "Bishop" for clerics (and others - acolyte, canon, etc., etc. all the way to High Priest). At the time, "Bishop" was a "legitimate" title for a 1E (A)D&D cleric class character. This was at a very early stage of the Realms as a published setting, so...

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Ruins of Adventure came out under 1E, and 1E did have level titles for the main classes, including "Bishop" for clerics (and others - acolyte, canon, etc., etc. all the way to High Priest).
I was immensely pleased when all those arbitrary PHB/UA titles disappeared in 2E. And the extensive race/class/gender/attribute/level tables.

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Hi again, all.
Red Walker, Ed's original SPELLFIRE manuscript was a little longer than the contracted wordcount, and the contracted wordcount was TWICE the length of the original (longer) published version of SPELLFIRE. So, yes, it could very easily have been a trilogy. Plans and Books Dept. personnel changed during Ed's writing of the book. But that's a lo-o-o-o-ng story.
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