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Posted - 12 Oct 2010 :  23:16:29  Show Profile Send see a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Yes, Elminster has worn many masks down the centuries, but Flamsterd isn't one of them. In Realmsplay (with Ed as DM, of course), we Knights have been present at several meetings between the two of them; they are friends, but definitely NOT the same person.



Did you have true seeing active?

I mean, for example, Elminster could have simulacrum-created duplicates of himself running around. If Elminster-in-false-persona met simulacrum-of-Elminster, it would look like a meeting between Elminster and the person Elminster's pretending to be, but it wouldn't actually prove anything.

And that's just one way it could be done; there are lots more possible.
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createvmind
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Posted - 12 Oct 2010 :  23:41:47  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Ed did you have anything to do with creation of Draegloths? And if so have you ever created an Draegloth Abomination in your campaigns? If yes, what would be a possible reaction from the fiend parent if ABLE to respond to it's offspring being warped so?

Can the drider-type curse be undone by a fiend of less power than Lloth, I'm assuming that Lloth personally invest power in making the transformation possible?
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althen artren
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Posted - 13 Oct 2010 :  02:04:50  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message
A question.

At the end of the 1 books of the Shadows trilogy
Mystra says to the Rangers 3 and magic shall
never harm them again, but later in the trilogy
they're getting blasted with Malaugrym spells.
CAn you explain further? Is this just spells
that target them?
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 13 Oct 2010 :  15:19:58  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by Dracons

I know Sage. But the NDA is holding back lore. That's why I'm angry at it. Not just bits and pieces, but alot, and it appears that it will never be released. Why do they add more lore, adding more mysteries, and never solving what is already a mystery?



Of course, you might consider actually making an attempt to create realmslore of your own on these "mysterious" topics you mention, perhaps through a DDI submission. Who knows, your version might well be the one that WotC accepts as 'official' and you will have had a hand in removing an NDA, such as it is. Channel your frustration, don't expect everything to be handed to you on a lore-laden silver platter and write/create/post/muse on the Realms. You'll be happier for it and will also provide a positive benefit to the FR community at large.

As someone who's come up with bits of realmslore from time to time over the years, I can tell you there is no better feeling than creating realmslore to the approbation of your FR peers. Try it. It's fun.

-- George Krashos




Listen to George, folks. He knows what he's talking about (and his help at filling lore has always been both exemplary and excellent).

And while I don't know how open he is to strictly Realms-related lore, I know Steve Winter at DDI would love to get some good solid, well-thought out pieces for the site (and I say that as someone who's worked with Steve for years).

Steven
who understands all too well the friction between wanting all that information tucked away under NDAs and the need for the mysteries to help drive the stories a bit more

For current projects and general natter, see www.steveneschend.com

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Snowblood
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Posted - 14 Oct 2010 :  13:13:04  Show Profile Send Snowblood a Private Message
Hey Welcome back to the keep Steven......hope Oscar is fine.....

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 14 Oct 2010 :  16:28:19  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. Yes, "Hi!" to Steven. Have a big hug (virtual, I'm afraid, as neither Ed nor I are physically with you to dispense it).

see, re. this: "Did you have true seeing active?
I mean, for example, Elminster could have simulacrum-created duplicates of himself running around. If Elminster-in-false-persona met simulacrum-of-Elminster, it would look like a meeting between Elminster and the person Elminster's pretending to be, but it wouldn't actually prove anything.
And that's just one way it could be done; there are lots more possible."

Good point, and of course you're right. However, at the Flamsterd meeting, Storm, Dove, and The Simbul were present - - and I doubt El could have deceived all of them successfully, or would want to...
love,
THO
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer

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Posted - 14 Oct 2010 :  17:40:08  Show Profile  Visit Matt James's Homepage Send Matt James a Private Message
Hi THO! Can you ask Ed what his favorite Realmsian musical instrument is? As a long-time musician, the question popped into my head and I had to run over to ask!
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 14 Oct 2010 :  18:26:12  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi Matt! As it happens, this is something Ed and I have talked about, so your answer would be:
The glinklarr, which is a tiny metal (or carved wood) mouth organ with two inner vibrating reeds (for sound output, think: kazoo) and a projecting "snout" (narrowing output rather than a flaring horn) over which are strung four to six fine strings, played one-handed with the fingers of the hand that's holding the horn to the player's lips, that subtly modify the sound with harp glissandos, guitar-like plucks and chords, or a subtle "warbling" tremelo.

I don't think this has made it into print in TSR or WotC products; I have it from Ed's "campaign starter" player notes, circa 1979. Heh; so there you go; new Realmslore!
For eerie loud long-dsitance stuff: a properly-played mournful warhorn, echoing down mountain valleys.
love,
THO
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Matt James
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Posted - 14 Oct 2010 :  18:46:40  Show Profile  Visit Matt James's Homepage Send Matt James a Private Message
wow, exactly as I would expect! Give Ed our love :)
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Sandstorm
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Posted - 14 Oct 2010 :  19:47:04  Show Profile  Visit Sandstorm's Homepage  Click to see Sandstorm's MSN Messenger address Send Sandstorm a Private Message
Hey there THO and ED,

I haven't posted on here in some time, but me and some friends were musing recently while reading the BrotherHood of the Griffon series. We took out a map and started looking around, (now I know the world has changed since the year of blue fire) and we were wondering A) What in the name of Chauntea happened to the Plaguelands?

Also, is there going to be a book, or IS there one out, that details the murder of Midnight? Sorry... Mystra? :P
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Merrith
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Posted - 15 Oct 2010 :  00:13:12  Show Profile  Visit Merrith's Homepage Send Merrith a Private Message
THO, I had a bit of a 3 part question I'm fairly sure will bounce into NDA's or just be completely off base.

Given what The Simbul promises Mystra in exchange for the power needed to attempt to save Elminster from Avernus when he was held captive there, the first part of my question is did Mystra have a specific task or event planned for The Simbul to fulfill her promise before her "death" resulted in the Spellplague?

If she did have something planned, the 2nd part of my question would be did the Spellplague ruin such plans, or did they in an indirect way facilitate them?

The 3rd part of the question would be whether the "plan" relates to an answer you gave earlier in regards to The Simbul absorbing power from the old weave through the magic items she consumes to regain her sanity and it reacting to the divine essence she carries inside her.
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Markustay
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USA
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Posted - 15 Oct 2010 :  00:22:35  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
First... GOOD to 'see' you again Steven!
Seeing you and George chiming-in on the same subjects gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside

Random Input:

@Creativemind - Fiends normally have no feelings one way or another for their progeny. Devils, on RARE occasions have shown some familial... 'tendencies' (and most often a father-daughter thing, but there are other examples). Demons and 'warping' sort of go together, I would think (just look at Jubilex of Demogorgon).

@Althen Artren - Malaugrym use Shadow magic, and despite her excellent PR team, we now know that Mystra never really controlled 'all' magic. Larue, on the other hand....

@THO - While what you say is obviously true of Flamsterd and that one encounter, I do believe Ed has hinted at a situation along the lines see's possible scenario takes (involving a certain Zhent). Ergo, entirely possible, and even probable, in the case of the Ol' trickster (regarding other on-going 'characters' Elminster has created over the many years).

Love that new Realmslore on the glinklarr - I'll have to use that somewhere.

@Sandstorm - the Plaguelands were the result of the year of blue fire.
They only existed after that time, so your observation is a bit confusing. What era map are you looking at?

Do you mean the Helmlands, maybe?

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 15 Oct 2010 00:25:09
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Oct 2010 :  00:58:24  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Matt James

Hi THO! Can you ask Ed what his favorite Realmsian musical instrument is? As a long-time musician, the question popped into my head and I had to run over to ask!

You know, given my own proclivities for Realms music, I'm embarrassed to say that I never actually thought to ask this particular question.
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi Matt! As it happens, this is something Ed and I have talked about, so your answer would be:
The glinklarr, which is a tiny metal (or carved wood) mouth organ with two inner vibrating reeds (for sound output, think: kazoo) and a projecting "snout" (narrowing output rather than a flaring horn) over which are strung four to six fine strings, played one-handed with the fingers of the hand that's holding the horn to the player's lips, that subtly modify the sound with harp glissandos, guitar-like plucks and chords, or a subtle "warbling" tremelo.

I don't think this has made it into print in TSR or WotC products; I have it from Ed's "campaign starter" player notes, circa 1979. Heh; so there you go; new Realmslore!
For eerie loud long-dsitance stuff: a properly-played mournful warhorn, echoing down mountain valleys.
love,
THO

That's awesome Ed! This Realms music fan thanks you greatly.

...

Question on the glinklarr:- Were there any notable performers of the glinklarr in the Realms?

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althen artren
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Posted - 15 Oct 2010 :  04:24:45  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message
Thank u sage. I suspected as much, but nobody has ever come out and
said it that I have seen.
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Sandstorm
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Canada
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Posted - 15 Oct 2010 :  07:24:25  Show Profile  Visit Sandstorm's Homepage  Click to see Sandstorm's MSN Messenger address Send Sandstorm a Private Message

@Sandstorm - the Plaguelands were the result of the year of blue fire.
They only existed after that time, so your observation is a bit confusing. What era map are you looking at?

Do you mean the Helmlands, maybe?
[/quote]

Well we were mainly looking at it in concern from Phillip Athans Watercourse Trilogy. The terrain greatly changes after those novels, and we were just wondering exactly what the blue fire did to that region and the nagaflow etc...
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 15 Oct 2010 :  07:56:46  Show Profile  Visit Zireael's Homepage Send Zireael a Private Message
I'm wondering, if they are any snippets of lore about Ilythiir. We know about Athamault, Nathamault and the Pit of Slime, about the Houses Sethomiir, Aelryth, Melarn and Hune, but nothing else.

SiNafay Vrinn, the daughter of Lloth, from Ched Nasad!

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Ayrik
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Posted - 15 Oct 2010 :  10:33:17  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message
I'm unsure whether my question should be directed to Ed Greenwood or to "Richard Awlinson" (Scott Ciencin and Troy Denning) ...

I've always been curious about the significance or inspiration for "Ao". I don't mean the overgod/entity/character Ao - I mean the name "Ao" itself. It's an odd name. Where did it come from?

Is it a reference to somebody's name or initials? Or some sort of anagram or shortened version of the same? Is it attributed to Tolkein's Silmarillion, in which Eru Ilķvatar (the supreme god) creates (the entire world/universe)? Or loosely modelled after the creator god Gu (Ogun/Oguon) in YorýbŠn mythology? Or was it simply chosen as a short and easy name to type? Or something else entirely?

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 15 Oct 2010 :  13:37:40  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Arik

I'm unsure whether my question should be directed to Ed Greenwood or to "Richard Awlinson" (Scott Ciencin and Troy Denning) ...

I've always been curious about the significance or inspiration for "Ao". I don't mean the overgod/entity/character Ao - I mean the name "Ao" itself. It's an odd name. Where did it come from?

Is it a reference to somebody's name or initials? Or some sort of anagram or shortened version of the same? Is it attributed to Tolkein's Silmarillion, in which Eru Ilķvatar (the supreme god) creates (the entire world/universe)? Or loosely modelled after the creator god Gu (Ogun/Oguon) in YorýbŠn mythology? Or was it simply chosen as a short and easy name to type? Or something else entirely?



AO

Alpha and Omega

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 15 Oct 2010 :  16:24:28  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Merrith, re. your three questions:
Ed says you'll have to read ELMINSTER MUST DIE! and BURY ELMINSTER DEEP and the next book to learn more, but the short versions:
1. Yes.
2. No, with Yes for the "or" part of your question...
3. NDA, which of course should tell you you're on to something . . .

So saith Ed, wink and all.
Yet he also added this: it's a lot more complicated than this. We'll all just have to wait and see. Smart gods, like smart people, plan ahead - - but conflicting plans inevitably . . . conflict.

Heh. That puts it rather well,
I think.
love,
THO
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Elfinblade
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Posted - 15 Oct 2010 :  17:14:37  Show Profile Send Elfinblade a Private Message
Ed, THO, scribes.

I recently reread the Elminster books, and while reading The Temptation of Elminster, i once again found myself intrigued by Baerdagh, the Lion of Elversult. What can you tell me about him and his exploits? When did he become known as the Lion of Elversult, why was he called the Lion? Was Cormyr his main base of operation? Any tidbits of lore about this old warrior would be greatly appreciated sir

-Stig-
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Baleful Avatar
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Posted - 15 Oct 2010 :  18:23:48  Show Profile  Visit Baleful Avatar's Homepage Send Baleful Avatar a Private Message
Dear Ed and THO (and, heck, any scribe who wants to join in),
I'm away from my 4e FR books right now, and last night had an interesting chat with an active LFR gamer who said that teleport spells are gone in 4e FR, thanks to the Spellplague, and it states this officially. Now, I don't remember reading this (though of course I might just have missed it), and I recall Elminster used to do a lot of teleporting...so, is this true? Did teleports go away with the Weave? How about Dimension Door and Blink and short-range jump/move-about magic? If this is official, where is it printed (so I can read the exact wording and see if there's "weasel room"?)? Is this permanent?
Thanks in advance!
BA

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Merrith
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Posted - 15 Oct 2010 :  22:52:22  Show Profile  Visit Merrith's Homepage Send Merrith a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Merrith, re. your three questions:
Ed says you'll have to read ELMINSTER MUST DIE! and BURY ELMINSTER DEEP and the next book to learn more, but the short versions:
1. Yes.
2. No, with Yes for the "or" part of your question...
3. NDA, which of course should tell you you're on to something . . .

So saith Ed, wink and all.
Yet he also added this: it's a lot more complicated than this. We'll all just have to wait and see. Smart gods, like smart people, plan ahead - - but conflicting plans inevitably . . . conflict.

Heh. That puts it rather well,
I think.
love,
THO



Excellent THO . I always assumed there would be far more to the plans and counter plans but it's clear that August 2011 (assuming that's the release month for Bury Elminster Deep) can't come soon enough.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

quote:
Originally posted by Arik

I'm unsure whether my question should be directed to Ed Greenwood or to "Richard Awlinson" (Scott Ciencin and Troy Denning) ...

I've always been curious about the significance or inspiration for "Ao". I don't mean the overgod/entity/character Ao - I mean the name "Ao" itself. It's an odd name. Where did it come from?

Is it a reference to somebody's name or initials? Or some sort of anagram or shortened version of the same? Is it attributed to Tolkein's Silmarillion, in which Eru Ilķvatar (the supreme god) creates (the entire world/universe)? Or loosely modelled after the creator god Gu (Ogun/Oguon) in YorýbŠn mythology? Or was it simply chosen as a short and easy name to type? Or something else entirely?



AO

Alpha and Omega

The 'Alpha-Omega' concept is just a theory.

It's probably worth stating that Ao was not something Ed created. TSR come up with the concept of Ao and he was brought into the setting during the Time of Troubles -- through the 1e to 2e change over. As it stands, Ed has no idea on where TSR came up with the concept of Ao.

For myself, I've actually long suspected that Ao was, at least partially, based on the concept of An from the Sumerian pantheon.

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Ayrik
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Thanx, Red, Sage. I guess that's one (minor) bit of lore we'll never learn.

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Don't stick your sword into dragons, you just don't know where they've been.
Avoid stepping on halflings. They stick to your boots, will smell awful, and are impossible to scrape off.
Ah, of course. Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Thanx, Red, Sage. I guess that's one (minor) bit of lore we'll never learn.

I'll note also that Ao is the name of thirteen cloud gods in Oceanic mythology. Ao is also the name of the four dragon kings in Chinese mythology.

So there's a lot of "room" to play around with, should DMs wish to forge their own interpretation for just what the Realms "Ao" signifies.

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