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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 21 Sep 2010 :  23:20:27  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Knight of the Gate

quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

Here's a twist, Knight. It's rare that the Chosen have studied at being a cleric, true, but if you look at some of their published statistics, most have a good understanding of religion (going by 3E, most have a few ranks in Knowledge [Religion]).


Of course: I'd be shocked if they were not the equivalent of any Theologist in the Realms as regards the Faerunian pentheon, at least. And I'd be shocked if there's any Archpreist of Mystra that knows half as much about their goddess as the 'least' of the Chosen. Which is why I imagine that the clergy and lay-folk alike would travel great distances to hear any one of them give a sermon, or even a more informal talk.

I've always imagined that the truly wise higher-ranking priests of Mystra come to the Chosen (when the opportunity presents itself) for guidance; whereas I can also see other, more power-hungry priests being jealous of their exalted station and whispering against them.

HA! I'm sorry, I can't see any of the Chosen giving a sermon and if any clergy came to them for advice, the Chosen would probably get a good laugh themselves before turning them away.

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Ergdusch
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Posted - 21 Sep 2010 :  23:46:01  Show Profile Send Ergdusch a Private Message
Hi Ed and THO!

I would like to know about salt in the Realms - where and how it is produced, how important it is for preservation of food and other uses and if it ever was (or still is in some areas) as important to the people as salt was during the middle ages in Europe, back than referred to as 'White gold'.

Any Cormyr-specifics on this would be very much appreciated aside from a general take on the question.

Thanks in advance, Ergdusch

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Wooly Rupert
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I would think that being a priest would be redundant for a Chosen of Mystra... Priests are mortal servants of the divine, and they're just one particular flavor of servant. Chosen are another flavor.

A potato can be mashed or it can be sliced up and fried... You could do both to the same potato, but each method of preparing it produces a tasty end result, so it's redundant (and inefficient!) to do both.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I would think that being a priest would be redundant for a Chosen of Mystra... Priests are mortal servants of the divine, and they're just one particular flavor of servant. Chosen are another flavor.

A potato can be mashed or it can be sliced up and fried... You could do both to the same potato, but each method of preparing it produces a tasty end result, so it's redundant (and inefficient!) to do both.

Hmmm. I think this subject was touched upon in The Magister tome [or was it in my archives?]... dealing with the concept of the Magister and the Chosen of Mystra, as well as how they function among the faithful.

I'll take a look.

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crazedventurers
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Posted - 22 Sep 2010 :  10:55:17  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Knight of the Gate
So, re-reading the Seven Sisters today, I came across a realization, and I'm not sure if it's significant or not: None of the Seven sisters are priestesses (as in the Cleric class) of Mystra.


For me they are priests of Mystra, in fact I would say that all wizards are. By actively casting spells, crafting spells and items they are carrying out Mystra's doctrine. Therefore they are priests.


Ed From the Realms Mailing list

Wizards may be priests of Mystra, something we haven't yet gone into, in print. things were complicated enough when I was hurling god entries to Julia for F&A; Jeff Grubb and I, back in the early days, had already decided to leave that one on the back burner for a while, but careful Realms readers can find hints of it in the early products

http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind9901B&L=REALMS-L&P=R8672&I=-3&m=1966

Cheers

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Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 22 Sep 2010 :  15:59:00  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Ergusch, I think Ed has answered queries about salt before. From Realmsplay I do recall, off the top of my aging head, that salt is a valuable food preservative as it was in the real-world European Middle Ages, but that it's not as expensive in the Realms as in the real world back then, because it's not as scarce and as difficult to get.
love,
THO
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Ergdusch
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Posted - 22 Sep 2010 :  16:16:27  Show Profile Send Ergdusch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Ergusch, I think Ed has answered queries about salt before. From Realmsplay I do recall, off the top of my aging head, that salt is a valuable food preservative as it was in the real-world European Middle Ages, but that it's not as expensive in the Realms as in the real world back then, because it's not as scarce and as difficult to get.
love,
THO


Thanks, THO, for the quick answer. I will try to hunt down the relevant answer from Ed on this.

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Iluvrien
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Posted - 22 Sep 2010 :  17:50:18  Show Profile  Visit Iluvrien's Homepage Send Iluvrien a Private Message
Dear Ed and Dear(est) Lady THO,

I am still working my way through the melancholy-tinged joy that is Elmister Must Die, a question came up and my searchings throughout the keep have afforded me no answer, as yet.

It is mentioned that the Dalestride portal in the palace was reinforced by Caladnei before the spellplague. I was wondering if we might know, why she reinforced a portal into the palace at all? And if any portal, why that one?
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Ousia
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Posted - 22 Sep 2010 :  23:13:58  Show Profile  Visit Ousia's Homepage Send Ousia a Private Message
Hi fellow fans of the Forgotten Realms,

I have some questions on Eveningstar and I hope that you can help me.

1. When was Eveningstar founded?
2. Who founded Eveningstar?
3. Why was Eveningstar founded?
4. Which year was Tessaril Winter appointed Lord of Eveningstar?
5. Who was Lord in Eveningstar prior to Tessaril and who served as herald?

Regards
Kaare (Denmark)

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 23 Sep 2010 :  02:02:33  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Iluvrien, Ed isn't talking about that particular topic right now. (I know, because I asked him about that the moment I read ELMINSTER MUST DIE!)
However, we Knights know a LITTLE about that portal from the "home" Realms campaign. It long predates Caladnei's arrival in Cormyr, and is a two-way portal that was often used by Vangerdahast to send War Wizards swiftly to the Dales, and get them back to report to him quickly, too.
Before the Time of Troubles, its very existence was a very well kept state secret of Cormyr, known to most War Wizards, a few senior courtiers, the royal family, Vangey, and a handful of Harper spies - - NOT to most folks around the Palace, and thus, many citizens of Suzail.
Florin formed the opinion, confirmed by Elminster with a silent nod at one point (at least, all of us who were present are pretty sure that's what the Old Mage was confirming), that the portal ("gate" to us, remember; all of this lore predates the game edition change that introduced the term "portal" to widespread use in D&D) was created as an "escape route" for Obarskyrs in the case of assassination or usurpation: a fast way out of the realm that royals could take, hopefully with War Wizard or other loyal bodyguards, to go into hiding and survive for a later attempt to reclaim the Dragon Throne.
Yes, it's a two-way portal, but the reason for its creation was to create a way to get out, not to establish a permanent vulnerability for invasion into the heart of the Royal Palace of Suzail (THAT was an unavoidable cost).
Or so we believe.
As I said, Ed isn't talking. Yet. Perhaps we'll all learn more in BURY ELMINSTER DEEP. Or later sequels.
love,
THO
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 23 Sep 2010 :  03:10:05  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I would think that being a priest would be redundant for a Chosen of Mystra... Priests are mortal servants of the divine, and they're just one particular flavor of servant. Chosen are another flavor.

A potato can be mashed or it can be sliced up and fried... You could do both to the same potato, but each method of preparing it produces a tasty end result, so it's redundant (and inefficient!) to do both.



I'll echo Wooly's statement here and add one more myself:

If Mystra were to be killed, her Chosen would have little in the way of magical might after...leaving them vulnerable and unable to adequately defend the spark of divinity she had entrusted to them.

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Iluvrien
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Posted - 23 Sep 2010 :  13:33:53  Show Profile  Visit Iluvrien's Homepage Send Iluvrien a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Iluvrien, Ed isn't talking about that particular topic right now. (I know, because I asked him about that the moment I read ELMINSTER MUST DIE!)
However, we Knights know a LITTLE about that portal from the "home" Realms campaign. It long predates Caladnei's arrival in Cormyr, and is a two-way portal that was often used by Vangerdahast to send War Wizards swiftly to the Dales, and get them back to report to him quickly, too.
Before the Time of Troubles, its very existence was a very well kept state secret of Cormyr, known to most War Wizards, a few senior courtiers, the royal family, Vangey, and a handful of Harper spies - - NOT to most folks around the Palace, and thus, many citizens of Suzail.
Florin formed the opinion, confirmed by Elminster with a silent nod at one point (at least, all of us who were present are pretty sure that's what the Old Mage was confirming), that the portal ("gate" to us, remember; all of this lore predates the game edition change that introduced the term "portal" to widespread use in D&D) was created as an "escape route" for Obarskyrs in the case of assassination or usurpation: a fast way out of the realm that royals could take, hopefully with War Wizard or other loyal bodyguards, to go into hiding and survive for a later attempt to reclaim the Dragon Throne.
Yes, it's a two-way portal, but the reason for its creation was to create a way to get out, not to establish a permanent vulnerability for invasion into the heart of the Royal Palace of Suzail (THAT was an unavoidable cost).
Or so we believe.
As I said, Ed isn't talking. Yet. Perhaps we'll all learn more in BURY ELMINSTER DEEP. Or later sequels.
love,
THO



Thank you lady THO for your answer! Especially since Ed isn't talking (on this subject. yet).
I did wonder about the possibility of a a permanent escape route, even though it provides a vulnerability. The book seems to imply that the Suzail side is more heavily (or perhaps closely) guarded than the Dalelands side. Might that be because to station a fort or even a large group of Purple Dragons and War Wizards on the entrance would draw everyone's attention to where it is?

Of course in the pre-spellplague era, it seems that there were fewer problems in gating into the palace in the general sense, so strengthening one portal may have seemed a lesser risk. Hmmm.

The assumption the plan works on is that there are places, bolt holes or safe houses on the Dales side that are likely to remain safe. If you and the other scribes would pardon yet another question, are there any? And what might their nature be?
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Jakk
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Posted - 23 Sep 2010 :  22:33:50  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
<chop>
Perhaps a better question to ask is: if my character - - or any other PC or NPC under discussion - - has the ability to wield spellfire or the silver fire, WHY do they have a part of Mystra's divine essence in them? Did Mystra put it there deliberately, and if so, why? Are there Sinister Grand Hidden Plans being laid and worked on, and unfolding? (and if so, to what desired ends????) Or do I have the silver fire (or spellfire) by the mischance of being bitten by a radioactive spider? Or is it something in between (we know that the essence can be transferred by birth, because we know it's hereditary in some families)?
And of course, the BIGGEST mistake of all would be to think that Ed hasn't planned all of this, perhaps as long as 1967 or so (before the D&D game).
Not that he may be able to share much about it. Some things are secret (and NDA'd to remain so) for good reasons of keeping the games and books more entertaining because some things Remain Unrevealed . . .
love,
THO



This is very interesting (and makes a great deal of sense) in light of the surprise guest who asks to see Elminster at the end of Elminster Must Die... I'll not speculate further; looking forward to Bury Elminster Deep...

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Markustay
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What story was that in which Elminster speaks to Ao as an equal, and then is sumararilly 'punished' for his temerity?

Love that scene - the two actual didn't seem all that different from one-another. AFAIK, Elminster is the ONLY mortal Ao deals with directly. VERY telling.

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Merrith
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Posted - 24 Sep 2010 :  03:17:18  Show Profile  Visit Merrith's Homepage Send Merrith a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

What story was that in which Elminster speaks to Ao as an equal, and then is sumararilly 'punished' for his temerity?

Love that scene - the two actual didn't seem all that different from one-another. AFAIK, Elminster is the ONLY mortal Ao deals with directly. VERY telling.



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Merrith
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Posted - 24 Sep 2010 :  03:22:20  Show Profile  Visit Merrith's Homepage Send Merrith a Private Message
Also Markus, later in the same novel after El deals with his "punishment" Ao says to him "Perhaps you should be the god of all magic in Faerun."

Too obvious?
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Deathspawned
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first off i'd like to say this is my first post ever on any "realms" site so if i bend any rule's i apoligise in advance.
Now i would like to say i LOVE the FR and have for many(since at least 1987)years.I have never posted(but have enjoyed reading)at CK before but i wish to say to ed that if it were not for all the wonderful novels and products i have no idea what i would spend my free time doing:)
The first novel i ever read for the realms was "Spellfire" and iv been hooked ever since.
Well now i should get to the questions....

1.how do i find any/all of your written realms/other work that is out in print(novel/short story etc.)

2.is there a way(PM/e-mail etc.)that you can express your real and uncensered feelings about the "major"recent turn in the way the realms have gone(4e realms)and how much of it was agreeable to you?

3.This one is more of a general question but is there a recent list of realms novels(checklist)that has all novels listed up to date and the upcoming releases?


tyvm in advance and no hurry on answers :)

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Jakk
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Posted - 26 Sep 2010 :  00:23:59  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
Well met, milady THO and Ed!

I was perusing another scroll here when this caught my eye:

quote:
Originally posted by Quale

<chop>Pure speculation, if the black diamond inside the artifact is the Black Diamond that corrupted Auril (and Laeral), that would open a lot of possibilities. The crown was created by Trebbe of Netheril and I think Moander (Dark god) was behind the accident that caused his death. Coincidentally when Khelben shattered the Crown, Moander awakened in Yulash and was slain by Finder, which allowed Myrkul to possess the Crown.



Ed, can you say anything about this hypothetical connection between the shattering of the Crown of Horns and the awakening of Moander? Even if it's just "Yes, they are connected" or "No, they aren't"; I have a theory regarding Myrkul's connection with Moander (the god of the dead and the god of decay and corruption)...

Many thanks!

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Markustay
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On the topic of using monster-parts for magical research and spells:

There was an interesting advenure-hook I read somewhere, but I can't place it. It definately wasn't FR, and it may have appeared in either Dragon or Dungeon magazines, so it was probably core, although for some reason I am leaning toward Greyhawk on this one (weather in a GH supplement or in one of the mags).

Anyhow.... it concerned a group of 'adventurers' that would aquire monster-parts to order, but what they really had was a pair of rings of regeneration and a mage that was handy at polymorph. They basically kept two hapless individuals prisoners and just kept turning them into whatever they needed and cut them up... over and over again.

The sheer 'horror factor' of that stuck in my mind, and with Halloween coming up, and the topic of monster-parts being brought up...

I may have gotten one or two of the details wrong, but that was the basic gist of it - figured I'd share. Just remember, most of those critters who have 'useful bits' are going to know they have them, and won't take too kindly to being 'farmed'.

ESPECIALLY Dragons - Ed made a very important (and cool) precedent on Elminster's Daughter: Dragons WILL work together against a common threat, and put aside ALL differences, regardless of color or alignment.

Assume the same for most intelligent species.

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Edited by - Markustay on 26 Sep 2010 04:14:09
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sfdragon
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what would the realmsian equivalent way of calling someone a beast( the more derogatory the better, as I need one as insult)

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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Eldacar
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Posted - 26 Sep 2010 :  10:08:11  Show Profile  Visit Eldacar's Homepage  Click to see Eldacar's MSN Messenger address Send Eldacar a Private Message
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The limited number of mortals she has infused with her ability to tap the Weave (herself) in this manner is the solution to the game balance problem: silver fire, in Ed's realms, is NOT something every wizard, sorcerer, warlock, or just plain (classless, non-adventuring) Joe can choose to "take for themselves" and use, though the way the game rulebooks express the world for players of the game can lead a player to think that it is "an option available to all."

THO, I have a question (well, several questions upon review!) related to this as it applied to Sammaster and his manipulation by Alagshon. The latter seemed to believe, going by the "Cult of the Dragon" sourcebook, that after he had coerced Sammaster into continually using silver fire over and over again, and repeatedly analysing it and studying it, that by the use of a spell, he would (in conjunction with Bane) be able to "steal it" and control/wield silver fire when it was employed. It was described as a clerical ceremony that, with Bane supplying a lot of raw power, was thought to be capable of taking silver fire forcibly from a Chosen. And, of course, they decided to test this on Alustriel rather than Sammaster, then turn on Sammaster and add HIS Chosen power to what Alagshon would have stolen from Alustriel (thus making him more powerful than any of the other Chosen).

I suppose the question boils down to: would it have worked? Alagshon (and Bane) evidently seemed to believe so, but belief does not of course always equal reality, and Mystra would probably have something to say about somebody trying to steal silver fire (IIRC, one of Ed's replies in the past was that Bane attempting to become "Tyrant of the Weave" would result in Azuth opposing him utterly, as well as Mystra being obviously able to stop him from taking control of the Weave because she IS the Weave).

Additionally, if silver fire is the raw energy of the world, and the Weave is the collecting net for that raw energy (and Mystra = Weave, not Mystra = raw energy of the world; at least, that's how I understand it based on reading various replies here and sourcebooks, thus allowing Chosen of Mystra to via that chunk of divine energy/The Weave in them to channel some of the raw energy without being explodified by raw power...), how would Alagshon and/or Bane drawing that raw energy to themselves actually help them beyond a temporary boost before that particular "blast of energy" stolen was used up and they needed more? It seems that the actual divine essence is what they should be going after, rather than the production of that divine essence.

And lastly, why exactly does silver fire not manifest outside Realmspace? If the Weave is a collecting grid for raw energy, then the fragment of essence within the Chosen should be able to gather up raw energy regardless of where they might be at the time. I suppose it could be like plugging a European power plug into an American socket? And given that Mystra seems to cause tears and rips in reality when she is on other planes due to interaction between her essence and that of the plane (e.g. Elminster in Hell), would Chosen also cause this (albeit to a much, much smaller degree)?

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Iluvrien
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Dear Ed & Lady THO, another Elminster Must Die question, I am afraid. I am slowly crawling to the end of this wonderful book, intentionally slow so as to prolong then enjoyment, and of the many queries that have arisen in my mind while reading this most enjoyable of tales, this is the one that shouts loudest for me at this time. I apologise beforehand for my inadequate words, it has been a rough few days.

quote:
Originally spoken by Ethena Astorma

The highknights have had it in their keeping ever since her death, thanks to her foresight and wise wishes. And my carrying them out.



This fairly innocuous sentence intrigues the heck out of me for multiple reasons, but I promise to raise only a couple of the legion of questions I have about it. It suggests that in the days leading up to her end, Filfaeril (yes, another Fee related matter) set to disbursing items to safeguard the future of the forest kingdom. Unsurprising but intriguing. I won't ask what all of the plans she put into place might have been (because I doubt that would ever see an answer... for good reason) but I will fish in general terms for details.

Was the wardenship of Filfaeril's Ring with the Highknights the only bequest she made? Or the only measure for the safekeeping of her people that she directed to be enacted after her death?

I emphasize the last section because one would usually presume that she would leave such decisions in the hands of her grandson, Azoun the Fifth. I wonder as to whether she was already certain that he would be a less mighty (and perhaps stubborn) king than his grandsire.

My other question is about Storm's part in carrying out those instructions. Quite simply, was Storm (and/or El) with her during her last days?

For me, and for such a beloved character, I could think of few souls who might provide greater comfort and care than Storm. The idea that Fee should spend her last days in such care would please me greatly.

Thank you,

Iluvrien
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Was Mirt the Moneylender ever profiled in Dragon (or Dungeon) Magazine? I have a dim recollection of coming across such a thing in the mid-'90s and it had a really nice illustration of him too.
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quote:
Originally posted by CylverSaber

Was Mirt the Moneylender ever profiled in Dragon (or Dungeon) Magazine? I have a dim recollection of coming across such a thing in the mid-'90s and it had a really nice illustration of him too.



Could it be Heroes Handbook (my have misnamed the title)?

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quote:
Originally posted by Foxhelm

quote:
Originally posted by CylverSaber

Was Mirt the Moneylender ever profiled in Dragon (or Dungeon) Magazine? I have a dim recollection of coming across such a thing in the mid-'90s and it had a really nice illustration of him too.



Could it be Heroes Handbook (my have misnamed the title)?


Almost, but not quite - Heroes' Lorebook, p. 72.

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