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Longtime Lurker
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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 :  16:11:10  Show Profile  Visit Longtime Lurker's Homepage Send Longtime Lurker a Private Message
Hi, Ed and THO,
Will both of you be at Phantasm this year, or just Ed?
And when/where is it? Peterborough, yes, and downstairs in the library I assume, but am I right? Details?
Thanks!
BB
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Blueblade
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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 :  16:17:46  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Hey! "BB" is me! You're "LL"!
Pushed the wrong keys?
Obviously, I'm neither Ed nor THO, but from the Phantasm website, here's the poop for this year's con:
"September 25th & 26th, 2010/Hours: Saturday 10:00 AM - 12:00 Midnight, Sunday 10:00 AM - 8:00 PM (both days, doors open at 9:00 AM). The con is downstairs at the Peterborough Public Library, 345 Aylmer Street North in downtown Peterborough (which has a tiny lot, but there's a large public parking garage, free on Sats and Suns, a block south and east). Cost for Phantasm is $5.00 per game session, or $25.00 for a Weekend Pass.
Special Guests: Lawrence Whitaker (Mongoose Writer, author of RuneQuest II and Elric of Melnibone, and contributor for Traveller and Conan)
Ed Greenwood (creator of the Forgotten Realms and best selling author)"

This is a small con, maybe 50-70 people at most. Friendly, low-key, a few dealers; great chance to talk to people (like, ahem, Ed).
There you go!
BB (not LL)

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Longtime Lurker
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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 :  16:21:48  Show Profile  Visit Longtime Lurker's Homepage Send Longtime Lurker a Private Message
Thank you!
And sorry for unintentionally impersonating you, BB. I'm using a Blackberry-like prototype with a tiny keypad that slides out. There's a keystroke combo to do caps, and it looks like in my haste to sign off, when I went caps to type "LL," I somehow screwed up the keypad mapping and transposed.
Somehow. Grr.
Beta, get thee behind me!
Sorry, Blueblade.
I am LL, I really am, not BB.
And I'll try to make it to Phantasm this year. I'd heard it was a chance to game with Ed and talk with Ed in a way that's nigh impossible at, say, GenCon.
Thanks again.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 :  16:24:20  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. Glad you two got your secret identities all sorted out.
No, I can't make it this year, but Ed will be there, and I echo BB's words about it being a small, friendly local con offering great opportunities to talk with Ed.
love,
THO
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Snowblood
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Australia
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 :  03:13:10  Show Profile Send Snowblood a Private Message
Well if I had lotsa a cash I'd fly to Peterborough & chew the fat all day with Ed......those who go to Phantasm....enjoy... I wonder if this is where Ed works???? Just musing......don't really expect a reply

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Jakk
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 :  06:45:21  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
Okay, two three questions regarding Elminster Must Die, both all of which I suspect to be answered with "NDA"... phrased to be as spoiler-free as possible while keeping them intelligible:
1) How did the illustrious newcomer to Chapter 33 happen to be trapped wherefrom he was released?
2) In Chapter 20, the newly-released ghost blames Myrkul for driving the Nine insane, but Myrkul didn't inhabit the Crown of Horns until after the shattering of the Nine. Was the Crown of Horns a relic of Myrkul's church (or something similarly associated with the Lord of Bones) from the beginning?
3) I can't find the exact passage now, but (spoiler): I remember reading something about Elminster saying that he had ruled two realms (or more than one, at any rate)... he had ruled Athalantar very briefly, but what was the other realm? Is this related to the ties that bind him to Cormyr? His years of inactivity (as far as the Grand History is concerned) match up fairly closely with the reign of Draxius, but not closely enough for the two to be one... and at any rate, we know that all crowned heads of Cormyr are descended from Faerlthann "First King"... including Silbran, whose connection, along with the details of the Thronestrife child-monarchs, still have me trying to tear out what little close-cropped and thinning hair I have.
You know this already from my earlier pleas, but not having the Cormyr Lineage makes me sad... far more so than the Spellplague does, in fact.

And I'll stop there... mostly because I know better than to ask about Halaster (NDA), Larloch (NDA), or the surprise arrival at the end of Elminster Must Die. And yes, I've finished it already; I read it in three nights. How long must I wait for Bury Elminster Deep? Edit: I've said this elsewhere in the 'Keep, but it bears repeating here for Ed's benefit: Elminster Must Die is the best I've read from Ed yet... with the possible exception of Elminster in Hell.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 :  12:30:39  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message
Re your Q.2, "Volo's Guide to All Things Magical" states that the Crown of Horns was actually created by Myrkul - no doubt using Trebbe of Netheril as an unwitting pawn.

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Zireael
Master of Realmslore

Poland
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 :  12:58:02  Show Profile  Visit Zireael's Homepage Send Zireael a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
snip>
3) I can't find the exact passage now, but (spoiler): I remember reading something about Elminster saying that he had ruled two realms (or more than one, at any rate)... he had ruled Athalantar very briefly, but what was the other realm? Is this related to the ties that bind him to Cormyr? His years of inactivity (as far as the Grand History is concerned) match up fairly closely with the reign of Draxius, but not closely enough for the two to be one... and at any rate, we know that all crowned heads of Cormyr are descended from Faerlthann "First King"... including Silbran, whose connection, along with the details of the Thronestrife child-monarchs, still have me trying to tear out what little close-cropped and thinning hair I have.
You know this already from my earlier pleas, but not having the Cormyr Lineage makes me sad... far more so than the Spellplague does, in fact.
<snip>



Second this question. And the Cormyr Lineage.
George is right about the Crown of Horns.

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Lord of Bones
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 :  13:15:28  Show Profile  Visit Lord of Bones's Homepage Send Lord of Bones a Private Message
Yep, the Crown was an artefact created by Myrkul before his death in the Time of Troubles. It would bop around the Realms, sitting on the heads of people, driving them mad and evil before then deciding to visit someone else. Khelben 'destroyed' the Crown and kept its fragments locked away in his tower, but due to Myrkul's proximity to the fragments at the time of his death he forced his essence into them, re-forging the artefact and teleporting away.

I have a question relating to the Crown, in fact. Aside from those already mentioned, including Laeral and Nhyris, have there been any other characters in Realms history that have been recorded as bearers of the Crown, either pre or post Myrkul's death? Could Ed honour us with some lore on the malign mischief the Crown got up to?

Additionally, my interpretation of Myrkul (from Faiths & Avatars) is that he was more of a laid-back deity in terms of spreading out-and-out evil throughout the Realms, relying more on the fear of dying (which is for 99.9% of the Realms inhabitants, inevitable) than causing mass death and destruction. Again, that's my interpretation, but I wondered if Ed could tell us why Myrkul, if he was a rather cool-headed deity of evil, would create an artefact of misrule like the Crown of Horns.

Sorry to bombard you with questions!

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 :  15:38:55  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

One postscript, upon reflection: Azoun was/is no dunderhead or easily-manipulated dupe, and neither is Filfaeril. It's important not to overemphasize "Vangey as Machiavelli" here, and to avoid seeing Azoun or his queen as weak, enspelled, or oblivious. They, too, play the game of "balancing bastards and heirs" off against each other, for the good of the realm (i.e. to keep the throne strong and the Obarskyr bloodlines very much in existence, but also to prevent civil war/their own assassinations/overmuch feuding amongst the nobles).
Right. My work here is done. For a few breaths.
More lore soon,
love to all,
THO




Are you trying to hint that Alusair is a true heir and her sister is not Azoun's child?

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Zireael
Master of Realmslore

Poland
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 :  18:29:46  Show Profile  Visit Zireael's Homepage Send Zireael a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

One postscript, upon reflection: Azoun was/is no dunderhead or easily-manipulated dupe, and neither is Filfaeril. It's important not to overemphasize "Vangey as Machiavelli" here, and to avoid seeing Azoun or his queen as weak, enspelled, or oblivious. They, too, play the game of "balancing bastards and heirs" off against each other, for the good of the realm (i.e. to keep the throne strong and the Obarskyr bloodlines very much in existence, but also to prevent civil war/their own assassinations/overmuch feuding amongst the nobles).
Right. My work here is done. For a few breaths.
More lore soon,
love to all,
THO




Are you trying to hint that Alusair is a true heir and her sister is not Azoun's child?



Ooh, I second this question. And the one about Myrkul too!

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createvmind
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 :  19:41:56  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Hello all,

Ed, any medusa of note in your realms who were famous for something other than stereotypical behavior? Perhaps one who followed a non evil god, sired a child who would be famous for something, do something great but perhaps unknown in the realms?

Any good medusa of note?
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Jakk
Great Reader

Canada
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 :  20:25:20  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
Thank you all, George, Zireael, and the Lord of Bones himself! for answering my question about the Crown of Horns. I hate not having my books with me!

Ed, consider my second question answered. Completely. Please disregard.

This actually fits right in with my plans for Myrkul post-Nhyris... right around the time of the return of Bane, actually... And I'll second the question about Myrkul and the Crown from the Lord of Bones, and I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one interested in the Lineage. Maybe we can drag it kicking and screaming out of WotC's NDA vaults... but I'm still watching the sky for those flying pigs... as I told Brian Cortijo / Garen Thal in his scroll, waiting for pigs to fly is much less disappointing than waiting for the release of the Cormyr Lineage, because I don't care whether the former happens or not.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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Jakk
Great Reader

Canada
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 :  20:40:18  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
Oh... one more thing I just remembered... it's probably a silly question, but it should be easily answered.

Ed, in Elminster Must Die, was your use of a sword and a chalice for the sought-after objects in question deliberate, or a happy accident? I'm suspecting deliberate... the more I learn about the pre-Spellplague Realms, the more everything seems quite carefully and deliberately assembled... and trying to track down the "missing" (deliberately left out) pieces is precisely what I've loved about the Realms over the past 23 years.

Many thanks again!

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 :  23:27:55  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
IIRC, Elminster did NOT rule Athalanter at any point - he was it's rightful ruler, but gave the job away the moment Athalanter was left leaderless by his actions.

So that could mean that Athalanter does NOT count, and it could be TWO other political entities he is referring to. There was that place he chased those bandit-lords out of, way back when - the story did say he returned there, so that could be one place he 'ruled' over (perhaps). Sorry I don't have a name for you - not near sources - it was the one wherein he met that young girl and helped her (and later 'helped her' some more).

I remember another kingdom, I think somewhere in the vicinity of Sunset Vale, but I'm not sure. All I can remember ATM was that it reminded me of athalanter for some reason (and once again, sorry I can't be more specific - this being away from home is driving me nuts). That's another remote possibility. So is the Realm of three crowns, for that matter.

Then again, it could be two places we've never even heard of - places long-gone - who knows?

As for the Crown of Thorns, I like to think that the massive Black Diamond that is it's centerpiece was the same Black Diamond that was responsible for the fall of the original homeland of the Fey... but that's just homebrew. I thought of that after seeing a picture of the crown, in a rather obscure source (one of the MM's, I believe).

As for when he created it, I would say it would have to have been long before the ToT.

I just thought of something..... Both Khelben and Elminster may have known the Dark Three while they were still mortal! They ascended after the fall of Netheril, correct?

Hmmmmm... Myrkul as a Chosen of Mystra.... NAHHHHHHH.

And so I don't get into trouble for not asking a question - Another one tied to 'deeper layers'. Was there yet another covert group, even more secret, behind the Harpers?

For some reason I am also getting a very 'Illuminati' vibe from Candlekeep.

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Edited by - Markustay on 12 Sep 2010 23:30:39
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Blueblade
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 :  23:39:10  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Oooh! I can answer that last question, Markustay, despite not being Ed or THO:

Yes.


I asked Ed that same question at The Great Canadian Baycon convention in Hamilton, Ontario some years back, and he replied with just a "Yes" and that he wasn't going to say ANYTHING more on it, until "certain things get published."

Wheee... look at all those GREAT questions on this page, above this post. Can't wait for some answers!
BB
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Blueblade
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 :  23:44:24  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Oh, wait, I can answer another one of them.
Snowblood, Peterborough is NOT the library where Ed works. Phantasm has been held there for years, and Ed's been attending it for years, but no, he works in Port Hope, some 50-60 miles south and a little west from Peterborough.
Which is north of the west end of Rice Lake, in Southern Ontario, which is big enough to show up on most maps. Go around the west end of that lake and straight south to hit the shores of Lake Ontario (one of the Great Lakes, large enough to show up on ANY proper map), and you're in Port Hope.
Confusingly, that's where Ed works, but not the library board he chairs. Which has a territory east of that.
Before retiring and starting part-time work in Port Hope, Ed worked for thirty years(!) for the North York library, now part of the Toronto Public Library in, you guessed it, Toronto, Ontario. Which is about 80 miles or so west of Port Hope.
Geez, I take a long time to answer a simple question. Sorry.
BB
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 :  23:54:55  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. Hi again, all, and well played, Blueblade.
Let's see how much light I can shed on some more of these queries, before Ed provides proper replies.

First, I can confirm that Blueblade's reply re. Ed's library work is entirely correct.

Markustay is correct to say that Athalantar "doesn't count" as a place Elminster has ruled...but neither does the place he's thinking of, in his post. Which means, yep, "it could be two places we've never even heard of - places long-gone - who knows?"


Jakk, the sword and chalice were deliberately chosen, yes.
(Ed and I have discussed this.)
And your question #1, about how a particular "illustrious" character got trapped, is NDA. I believe Ed intends to reveal it in future, but that "future" may well be after 2011, in a later venue than BURY ELMINSTER DEEP.

createvmind, the answer to your medusa question is: Yes. There was a medusa ruler (of a city-state). I'll leave it to Ed to say more.

Zireael, so far as I know, Ed is NOT hinting that Tanalasta had any other father than Azoun IV. However, he may surprise me. After all, he's done so many, many times before.

. . . and that's all, until I can get permission from Ed to reveal a little more about certain things.
Ah, the Realms just gets deeper and deeper . . .
love to all,
THO





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Icelander
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 13 Sep 2010 :  06:41:15  Show Profile  Visit Icelander's Homepage Send Icelander a Private Message
Many blessings be upon you both, Loremaster Most High and Lady Most Hooded.

The paladin Corwin Freas, who liberated Turmish from Anaglathos the dragon, seems an intriguing figure. He willingly gave up power as a Lord of Turmish and created an enduring democratic assembly to rule in his stead.

I couldn't find much on this figure in any of the places I thought to look, though. I can't even find an answer to the first thing I wondered about. Which deity did Freas serve?

Also, any other Realslore about him, his origins or any legacy he may have left beind (that applies in the 1370s) would be most welcome.

Sweet water and light laughter until next.

Humbly yours,
a seeker of knowledge and truth.

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Jakk
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Posted - 13 Sep 2010 :  07:17:49  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade

Oooh! I can answer that last question, Markustay, despite not being Ed or THO:

Yes.


I asked Ed that same question at The Great Canadian Baycon convention in Hamilton, Ontario some years back, and he replied with just a "Yes" and that he wasn't going to say ANYTHING more on it, until "certain things get published."

Wheee... look at all those GREAT questions on this page, above this post. Can't wait for some answers!
BB



BB (and LL, if you're interested) , nor can I... but I suspect that most of our answers will be: NDA. As far as the matter of "certain things getting published," if any of those things is the Cormyr Lineage or otherwise "mostly lore and not a novel" then I suspect we'll be waiting on WotC for as long as they think it will take to make us all lose interest, but I know that Ed and Brian C. are doing everything in their power to make the publication of the Lineage happen before then.

Edit: Sept 14: toned down my cynicism to a less-than-cosmic level... largely because I appreciate everything Ed and Brian have done in their efforts to bring the Lineage out of the NDA vaults, and those efforts deserve better than a cosmic level of despair. I still have hope on this matter, but certain (not all) decisions at WotC over the past ten years have taught me (whether deliberately or not) that hope is a dangerous thing... and Elminster Must Die and its upcoming sequel seem to be determined to reverse this teaching, for which I am immensely grateful.[/edit]

However, I'm hoping that my cynicism is unjustified, and that we will learn something, however vague, about exactly what needs to be published for this particular bit of lore to come out...

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 14 Sep 2010 20:54:50
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Sage of Stars
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Posted - 14 Sep 2010 :  02:51:37  Show Profile  Visit Sage of Stars's Homepage Send Sage of Stars a Private Message
Dear Ed and THO,
Can you share anything on the WotC Realms publishing news yet? Or is it still "under wraps"?
And re. Realmslore: did the Knights ever uncover the "big" buried treasure hidden in Mistledale? If so, can you share with us what it was?
Or is it still a lurking unsolved mystery of the Realms?
Thanks!
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capnvan
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Posted - 14 Sep 2010 :  13:51:19  Show Profile  Visit capnvan's Homepage Send capnvan a Private Message
Milady,

We've been having a discussion here with regard to an item I found. To whit:

In Dragon #275, p.93, in the article, "The Adventures of Volo: The Crumbling Stair", in footnote #6, Ed notes that frozenfalls "were often the foci for minor house mythals".

Not having encountered the concept of a "minor mythal" before, I was wondering if you could add anything to our understanding of such magicks. I know that Ed has long toyed with permanent wards, wardkeys, minor useful household magics, etc.

Is there a universal theme behind them? Are they all unique? Were minor mythals common at one time? Presumably they weren't as dangerous to create, but conversely, probably not as powerful.

In short, anything the Bearded One cares to elaborate on with regard to the footnote would be much appreciated!

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The Red Walker
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One



Zireael, so far as I know, Ed is NOT hinting that Tanalasta had any other father than Azoun IV. However, he may surprise me. After all, he's done so many, many times before.

. . . and that's all, until I can get permission from Ed to reveal a little more about certain things.
Ah, the Realms just gets deeper and deeper . . .
love to all,
THO




Ohhhh...glad I asked, and I will cross my fingers and hope for something interesting to unfold

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 14 Sep 2010 :  18:42:50  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Sage of Stars, I'm afraid it's still under wraps. For now.
And as for the treasure: well, yes and no.
Which is, I'm afraid, all I can say thus far.
love,
THO
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Jakk
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Canada
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quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One



Zireael, so far as I know, Ed is NOT hinting that Tanalasta had any other father than Azoun IV. However, he may surprise me. After all, he's done so many, many times before.

. . . and that's all, until I can get permission from Ed to reveal a little more about certain things.
Ah, the Realms just gets deeper and deeper . . .
love to all,
THO




Ohhhh...glad I asked, and I will cross my fingers and hope for something interesting to unfold



This could be catastrophic for Cormyr... if Tanalasta is in fact not a daughter of Azoun IV, it means that all subsequent monarchs of Cormyr, including Azoun V, have been illegitimately crowned.

Edit: Just another reason for releasing the Cormyr Lineage...

A question for Ed on a completely different matter (I think...):
Why did Ao leave the Imaskari barrier intact until the Time of Troubles rather than removing it more immediately after the fall of Imaskar in -2488 DR? I'm sure that Ao had a reason for waiting almost four millennia to remove the barrier, but what was that reason? Or is that another NDA'd topic?

Many thanks in advance for any answer... or even speculation, if neither NDA nor firm answer exists... although somehow I doubt that scenario...

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 15 Sep 2010 01:33:26
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