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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 15 Jul 2010 :  16:41:54  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Sage and Zandilar, I'm afraid it's unlikely that Ed will be at GenCon Australia this year; no one's contacted him about it, and his September is already booked (the "public" con will be Phantasm in Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, though Ed will be at FanExpo in Toronto at the end of August, too).
The torturously long flight and connections to Oz last time finished his wife (who is, after all, in poor health and in her seventies) for flying, and Ed has to care for her and won't willingly be parted from her, so . . . it doesn't look good.
That said, Ed would LOVE to visit Oz and see his friends again. Yet, after all, it's expensive, and there are bills to pay and a third new Elminster book to write, with time remorselessly passing . . .
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 15 Jul 2010 :  16:48:22  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Menelvagor, re. this: "So with the restoration of Myth Drannor, how much of this would change? Would El feel he needs to guard the Dales less, since Myth Drannor is no longer in danger and can also protect the Dales?"
Ed replies:


Yes, it would change. El would no longer feel he had to guard the Dales in the manner he has been doing. However, there's a bigger change involved, too. To see what it is, you'll have to read ELMINSTER MUST DIE! (Sorry.)


So saith Ed. Who isn't fooling. Much is revealed in that tome, not just in the up-front action, but to those who contemplate why matters are this way or that way, and deduce more . . .
love to all,
THO
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Kyrene
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South Africa
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Posted - 15 Jul 2010 :  20:02:26  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
Ed,

Just read the preview chapter of ELMINSTER MUST DIE! and loved whom all I saw, even after all the years. I broke a wry smile at this passage:
“Someone had to save the Realms.
Why? And who were they to dare such meddlings?
They were the Old Guard, the paltry handful who still saw needs and cared.”

Will it be released as paperback only next year, or sooner?

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The Sellplague began, for all intents and purposes, in the dominions of the Corporation. Greed murdered Good Design, unraveling common sense in the cosmos and destroying her dominion. At the same time, Sales Fears and Warcraft Envy happened into alignment. This cataclysmic coincidence led to upheaval, shaking apart the primeval order, opening up holes in wallets, and reshaping everything...

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Brimstone
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Posted - 15 Jul 2010 :  22:38:46  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene

Ed,

Just read the preview chapter of ELMINSTER MUST DIE! and loved whom all I saw, even after all the years. I broke a wry smile at this passage:
“Someone had to save the Realms.
Why? And who were they to dare such meddlings?
They were the Old Guard, the paltry handful who still saw needs and cared.”

Will it be released as paperback only next year, or sooner?


Hardcover August 3rd...
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Markustay
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Posted - 15 Jul 2010 :  23:51:31  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
First, I never said Mystra was a 'force for good' - she isn't.

She is a force to promote Arcane magic, and she uses the weave to that end. Technically, I think of Mystra as more of an immensely powerful, sentient artifact. She was created by gods, and is the self-aware consciousness of the weave. At that level of power, the difference between such an artifact and a 'true god' is negligible; merely a matter of semantics. She's like an overly-complex computer program that keeps needing to be rebooted every so often.

Anyhow, the spread of Ubral (shadow) magic is what she is trying to prevent - its natural connections to death would have a devastating effect on the Realms (look at Anauroch). That may make it seem like she is a force for good, but technically 'Good vs Evil' don't enter into it - magic is merely a means to an end, and can be used for either. It is the type of magic she is most concerned with.

While the 'free use of magic' is best-promoted by a free, democratic society, it is not necessary. She obviously had no problem with Aryvandaar and the Vyshann Empire (although it is questionable how much control she can exert over elves). Tyranny tends to lend itself to those in power being the only ones allowed to hold power,and that is the only reason why Mystra opposes those types of cultures.

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Some scribes, including Markustay, are "all over it" without quite hitting on it...but you're VERY warm . . .
Oooh, such teasing...
The 'great revelation' I had was simply this -

Cormyr is what Athalanter could have been... should have been...

And Vangerdehast is the key reason why he feels he can finally 'let go' of his care-taking responsibilites (at least, in that regard). Of all his students, Vangy turned out to be 'the most like himself' in the end.

This is why my half-asleep, 'giddy' thought of Elminster as 'The Father of Cormyr' made me stop and think. I would guess he has been there, nearly from the beginning, 'steering' it along (with a light touch, most of the time).

Or is there even more to it then that?

As for the 'deeper truth' - I said I only catch a glimpse of it - that has to do with things divine. Some sort of on-going Yin & Yang thing.

As for the High Knights/Harpers thing, if there is some clear seperation in the novel, I don't see it. I see both terms used to describe the same group of persons repeatedly. Perhaps that particular group happens to be both, but then that is misleading, isn't it?

I am right about Harper-involvement in Cormyr being much more open now that Azoun is dead, though, aren't I? It appears everyone involved in that 'raid' at the beginning knew who they were, even 'the bad guys'.

Sooooooo... who modified the Cormyrian bloodline? Was it Olohmber Starnardyn, Maxiladanarr Torstren, or some other unknown (or perhaps, well-known) agent? Was Elminster 'tampered with' even before his birth? Having latent psionic powers seems to help augment a person's ability to handle magic (considering how D&D's magic used to work - the memorization of 'spell-matrixes', it only seems natural).

Anyone know what Filfaeril's maiden surname was?
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

Hardcover August 3rd...
Yay! Just in time for my Birfday!!!

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 16 Jul 2010 00:36:36
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Kajehase
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Sweden
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Thanks for the answer re Astrid Lindgren, Ed. Good to hear the closest thing we've got to an official national saint isn't forgotten about abroad, yet. (Of course, in reality she was much too cool for proper sainthood.)

Way back during the early part of the year I threatened to ask more about Orlumbor - but eventually decided it'd be more fun to answer those questions myself so never got round to posting them. There is, however, one question about the island I'd still like to hear what Ed has to say (if he has the time, inclination, and no pesky NDAs in the way, of course). Namely, what can he tell us about the island's ruler Delshara Windhair? Other than a brief mention in the Old Grey Box, I've been unable to find anything on her.

There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
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Kyrene
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South Africa
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  06:40:09  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone (emphasis mine)

quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene

Will it be released as paperback only next year, or sooner?


Hardcover August 3rd...

You know, this reminds me of that old joke about the consultant and the farmer. Thanks for the reply, Brimmy, but you didn't answer my question, and answered a question I didn't have.

Lost for words? Find them in the Glossary of Phrases, Sayings & Words of the Realms

I am a sexy, shoeless god of war!

The Sellplague began, for all intents and purposes, in the dominions of the Corporation. Greed murdered Good Design, unraveling common sense in the cosmos and destroying her dominion. At the same time, Sales Fears and Warcraft Envy happened into alignment. This cataclysmic coincidence led to upheaval, shaking apart the primeval order, opening up holes in wallets, and reshaping everything...

Edited by - Kyrene on 16 Jul 2010 06:42:14
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Sill Alias
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  06:58:18  Show Profile  Visit Sill Alias's Homepage Send Sill Alias a Private Message
Sorry for appearance without question. Is there no answer on the question about male clerics?

You can hear many tales from many mouths. The most difficult is to know which of them are not lies. - Sill Alias

"May your harp be unstrung, your dreams die and all your songs be unsung." - curse of the harper, The Code of the Harpers 2 ed.
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Knight of the Gate
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  08:44:43  Show Profile Send Knight of the Gate a Private Message
OK. I hate to do this in my current state (I'm two and three-quarter sheets to the wind, but I shall undertake to overcome)but I have thoughts to share and hypothesis to test.
First: MT, I *like* your metaphor likening Mystra to a complex but ultimately faulty OS, but I have a different take, one that I formulated back in the heady days of the Old Grey Box. To whit, Mystra is an Overgod in waiting. She would have long ago overtaken Ao in sheer might, except that it is given to him to dictate how the power of the Powers is used: IMO, it was he who coerced her into granting divinity to first Savras, then Azuth (both times removing not only a sliver of power from her, but also fragmenting the worship of Mystra and thus taking some measure of power from her in that manner)but also in the creation of the Chosen: We know that creating Chosen 'diminishes' a Power. That's why so few deities name and imbue Chosen, since it is generally more efficient to merely create servitor creatures. This reality notwithstanding, Mystra seems to have a pattern of creating Chosen once a generation or so; which says to me that (since it seems impractical in the sense that she is undertaking what is essentially a crapshoot with a HUGE portion of her power) she is not necessarily the one who decided that she needed so many Chosen. I feel that Mystra/Mystryl is/was under an 'arms treaty' (likely imposed by Ao) to keep her from becoming too powerful in comparison to the other Faerunian powers, but is/was allowed to 'invest' the power that she must shed, rather than simply divesting herself of it to no end. THO/Ed, I would love to know: Am I on the right track with this?
Second, regarding Mystra's morality: One of the best parts of the 3.0 PHB was the statement (regarding Neutral alignments) that Neutrals ALL tend towards good, since everyone would rather have a good neighbor than an evil one. I see Mystra in exactly this light: She favors 'good' Chosen since you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Likewise, she tends to favor 'good' groups of magic users, since they are the only users of magic likely to share, whereas evil magic-users are likely to hoard power and knowledge. It's not that Mystra was a 'good'power, but rather that 'good' served her interests better than evil, and I would be shocked to hear that she never had a 'working' evil Chosen.
Just my thoughts on the subject.

How can life be so bountiful, providing such sublime rewards for mediocrity? -Umberto Ecco
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Knight of the Gate
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  08:45:14  Show Profile Send Knight of the Gate a Private Message
Edit: Double post.

How can life be so bountiful, providing such sublime rewards for mediocrity? -Umberto Ecco

Edited by - Knight of the Gate on 16 Jul 2010 08:46:19
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Kajehase
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Sweden
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  08:53:40  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Sill Alias

Sorry for appearance without question. Is there no answer on the question about male clerics?



There probably is an answer, but as was stated about one or two pages back in this thread - some questions have a longer wait than others.

There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett
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Menelvagor
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Israel
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  09:52:39  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay:
Sooooooo... who modified the Cormyrian bloodline? Was it Olohmber Starnardyn, Maxiladanarr Torstren, or some other unknown (or perhaps, well-known) agent? Was Elminster 'tampered with' even before his birth?

Why do you supect those Magisters? Obviously Maxiladanarr, because of Incipient Clans, but why Olohmber? And why do you suspect Elminster was tampered with?

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

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Knight of the Gate
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  10:45:15  Show Profile Send Knight of the Gate a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay:
Sooooooo... who modified the Cormyrian bloodline? Was it Olohmber Starnardyn, Maxiladanarr Torstren, or some other unknown (or perhaps, well-known) agent? Was Elminster 'tampered with' even before his birth?

Why do you supect those Magisters? Obviously Maxiladanarr, because of Incipient Clans, but why Olohmber? And why do you suspect Elminster was tampered with?


I've always suspected the same thing, and the reason is simple: Elminster is an almost perfect vessel for the Silver Fire... almost too perfect. We know that Mystra 'tampered' with the Seven Sisters, to the point of personally overseeing their conception and upbringing- why would she stop there? It makes total sense that her 'main' Chosen should be a being whom she not only hand-picked, but also had a hand in creating.

How can life be so bountiful, providing such sublime rewards for mediocrity? -Umberto Ecco
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore

Poland
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  11:59:20  Show Profile  Visit Zireael's Homepage Send Zireael a Private Message
quote:


Anyone know what Filfaeril's maiden surname was?



I think it was Selzair. If we go with English tradition of putting maiden name before the marrried one, eg. [not Realms, HP] Lily Evans Potter or Ginevra Weasley Potter.

Or we can assume Selzair to be second name, like in Alusair Nacacia Obarskyr.

SiNafay Vrinn, the daughter of Lloth, from Ched Nasad!

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The Sage
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  12:09:04  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
Fellow scribes, I'm seeing a lot of side-chatter here. Can we please move these discussions to other shelves, and leave this scroll for questions to Ed?

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Menelvagor
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  13:14:09  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
Sage, aren't you just side-chattering by asking a question that isn't directed at Ed now?
But seriously, another question: Might it be possible to know if Incipient Clans had any effect on the Realms whether before or after the Spellplague? That is, known families of spellcasters, more powerful spellcasters, etc? And if so, could we have some names?

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Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

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Brimstone
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  13:45:19  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene

quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone (emphasis mine)

quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene

Will it be released as paperback only next year, or sooner?


Hardcover August 3rd...

You know, this reminds me of that old joke about the consultant and the farmer. Thanks for the reply, Brimmy, but you didn't answer my question, and answered a question I didn't have.


If the hardcover is in august, 9 to 12 months later it should be released in paperback...
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  13:53:31  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
Knight: I remember from somewhere (and I can't remember where despite ten minutes of cudgeling my brains) that that hypothesis of Mystra intentionally weakening herself through Chosen had actually been confirmed. Or at least, as confirmed as anything related to the gods ever is. The worry, IIRC, was to keep Mystra from becoming an all-powerful weapon that gods could take control of and then use against other gods. Which explains why Bane devoted essentially his entire existence to trying to do just that.

Mystra, and especially Mystryl, had the capability to be the most powerful diety in FR space by a fairly large margin. This was considered bad (again, I think you're right that it was Ao who handed that down), and so deliberate action was taken to weaken her. Remember, Chosen hold the silver fire, and can block Mystra from accessing it if they deem it necessary. I think at their core, the Chosen are a fire-break against Mystra becoming an all-consuming raging inferno, and any other good that they can do, either for Mystra or for the world at large, is a happy byproduct.

And Sage, didn't THO explicitly invite all of this pondering? Easier to do it all here, than to split it off into another scroll and force her to jump back and forth...

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Zandilar
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  14:13:35  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by Knight of the Gate
Second, regarding Mystra's morality: One of the best parts of the 3.0 PHB was the statement (regarding Neutral alignments) that Neutrals ALL tend towards good, since everyone would rather have a good neighbor than an evil one. I see Mystra in exactly this light: She favors 'good' Chosen since you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Likewise, she tends to favor 'good' groups of magic users, since they are the only users of magic likely to share, whereas evil magic-users are likely to hoard power and knowledge. It's not that Mystra was a 'good'power, but rather that 'good' served her interests better than evil, and I would be shocked to hear that she never had a 'working' evil Chosen.
Just my thoughts on the subject.



That's exactly what I was trying to get across. :)

(I'm assuming that you meant "I wouldn't be shocked to hear that...")

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~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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gomez
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Netherlands
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  15:01:20  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
I am actually pretty confident that Mystra DID have working evil Chosen.
I think the reason Mystra chooses good Chosen is passion: good people are often more passionate and driven to protect than neutral or evil people.
As to Elminster's connection to Cormyr, I would not be surprised if the Obarskyr line is somehow related to the Aumar line in one way or another.
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha

And Sage, didn't THO explicitly invite all of this pondering? Easier to do it all here, than to split it off into another scroll and force her to jump back and forth...

That's true. But I'm looking at this from a compilation point of view. And since I'm ultimately the scribe responsible for compiling Ed's replies, it just makes my job a tad easier if I don't have to filter through a significant degree of side-chatter.

That's it. It's just as easy to take all this discussion to another scroll, where the Lady Hooded One can still chime in also. Plus, ensuring less clutter in this scroll makes it easier, as well, for THO to find questions for Ed.


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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Hi again, all.
Kyrene, Ed doesn't know the precise date of the mass market paperback release of ELMINSTER MUST DIE, but it is usually 9 to 12 months after the hardcover (so, early May 2011 at the earliest).
Filfaeril's maiden name is indeed Selzair.
Markustay, you're right that Elminster has watched over and covertly meddled in Cormyrean matters for a long time, that he does personally compare it with Athalantar from time to time, and that Vangey's work allowed Elminster to pay less attention to Cormyr's passing politics than he had to do before Vangey hit his stride.
When it comes to equating Harpers and Highknights, EVERYONE should bear in mind when the author is speaking or thinking, and when characters are speaking or thinking - - and the tendency of many courtiers, lawkeepers, and other authorities in most kingdoms of the Realms to "see Harpers lurking in every shadow." Harpers are a convenient scapegoat, the same way that real-world individuals during the Cold War saw "Communists" everywhere, and some see "left-wing socialists" everywhere today . . . and so, by Wizards of War in Cormyr (Vangey and Laspeera excepted), Harpers have almost always been mentally accorded greater numbers and influence than they truly have.
More later; must run now.
love to all,
THO
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Hoondatha
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Interesting. Do the Harpers generally consider this a good thing, or a bad thing? Can individual Harpers play off this misconception to make others think that they have more influence/back-up/whatever than they actually do?

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gomez
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Netherlands
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  21:15:12  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
Ok, then, I'll make it a question:

Ed, as to Elminster's connection to Cormyr, is the Obarskyr line related to the Aumar line in one way or another?

Oh, and as we are asking, was Elminster related to Midnight? I ask because (a) it seemed Midnight was destined for the place she has now taken (which might imply Mystra was aware of her imminent death), and having any blood relation to a Chosen may work as a good preparation, and (b) it would make the relationship between the two quite different and emotionally charged, giving some additional possibilities from a story view point. (I am aware it is way out there and likely inaccurate, but I have the feeling it is the kind of thing you use...)

See? No speculation... just questions.. :P

Gomez
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 :  23:31:33  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
gomez, I can confirm two things, from my own prior knowledge. Yes, Mystra has had evil (and amoral, self-interested) Chosen...as well as Chosen who have "gone bad."
And no, Elminster was not blood-related at all to Midnight/Ariel Manx, as far as either of them or the gods involved are aware.
Heh. There. Two details nailed down...everything else, Ed's better qualified than moi to make lore reply here.
love,
THO
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