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The Sage
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Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  16:59:45  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Snowblood

Dear Ed & Lady THO....just a simple question but probably filled with hidden meanings....I notice that some scribes questions are answered by Ed quite smartly, whilst others seem to drift along in the ether....is there a method used to prioritise questions or is it a case of NDA...NDA...always getting in the way......???? :-)

I'm sure Ed will probably tackle this one in greater detail, but I can say, based on previously similar questions posed to the Ol' Bearded One from fellow scribes, that there's no definitive "priority" to Ed's answering technique.

Sometimes, Ed can answer questions just as soon as they've been asked because:-

1 -- They might relate to something he's working on/thinking about at that time.

2 -- They pertain to information he might have easy access to.

3 -- The Lady Hooded One has access to information relating to the question asked, and answers in Ed's stead. [I like the way that sounds! ]

Some reasons for why he can't:-

1 -- NDAs, NDAs, and NDAs, can sometimes make it difficult for Ed to weave through what can and cannot be said here.

2 -- Ed's online time is extremely limited. He's almost always got multiple projects going one [some of which are Realms-related], so the amount of time he can devote to answering/replying-to queries from scribes isn't always a luxury for him.

...

Ultimately, Ed works according to his own internal whims when it comes to answering questions from Candlekeep. And that's how it's always worked. I myself still have one or two questions pending from 2004, but I appreciate that Ed can't always tackle what I'd like because he has an extensive backlog of questions from other scribes to work through as well. And when you incorporate the kind of answering techniques I briefly outlined above, you can begin to see why Ed's answering strategy appears, to us at least, to be a little inconsistent in terms of priority.

The one thing you can bank on, though, is that Ed WILL get to your question. Maybe not today, or tomorrow. But one day.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  17:18:03  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
No, there's no hard-and-fast method.
However, there ARE factors.
The most important one is Ed's time. As in: time it takes him to receive my e-mails, how busy he is at the time (it can't be emphasized enough: Ed is one of the busiest men I've ever met, constantly juggling home life [which these days, increasingly means "caring for his wife" and doing the lion's share of the housework, including cooking and shopping], a "day job" with a 40-mile-each-way commute, being there for his friends (of whom Ed has a lot. who are constantly at work on various projects), volunteer work in his community (among other things, Ed chairs his local public library board), and of course a writing workload that makes many writers wince.
This time boggle can delay him in answering "big" questions, and it can prevent him from taking the necessary time to find old lore notes to answer something.

The second factor is NDAs. Things Ed can't answer (yet), or shouldn't answer (yet), to avoid legal problems for Candlekeep and himself, to avoid screwing up/contradicting some forthcoming project that might not be finished at the time of asking, and to avoid harming the Realms enjoyment of some scribes by revealing too much or by saying something definite in a matter or detail where DMs should have "wiggle room" left to them, or by restricting future spinoff or followup products.

The third factor is courtesy. Where another designer or author is or is becoming the "prime" authority on something, Ed wants to avoid saying things that will tromp on their turf, or their future planned projects. So Ed created Elaith ("the Serpent"), but considers Elaine "THE" expert on that character now, and wants her to be free to say, write, or do anything with Elaith without having to worry about contradictions or interference from him. In like manner, ask Steven about Khelben and Bob about Drizzt, not Ed, and ask staff Wizards designers about rules queries, not Ed (except for "old" rules from earlier editions that Ed designed; for instance, the shortform "NG hm W14" notation used for character stats in 2e was an Ed innovation, to cut down on wordage in early Realms sourcebooks [heh; imagine what Ed thinks of stat blocks]).

The fourth factor is the nature of the request. The "I'm always been curious about this cheese" versus "Help, Ed, I need this for my campaign tonight!" Ed just CAN'T be on "instant emergency call" for gamers (his wife comes first, then his family, and then his professional obligations, such as EDITORS and fellow designers needing swift rescues, but he'll try to be, as much as he can. Please note that NO ONE should be misusing Ed's volunteered lore and advice here as a "Secret DM" to use to beat players over the head with, or adjudicate in-campaign disputes in an ongoing manner. That's the wrong way to handle any campaign. Yet Ed will try to be timely where he can be. Narrow requests (a name, a location, something small and specific) are more easily and swiftly answered than large-scale, broad requests ("tell me all about gnomes in the Realms"). Be aware that large-scale requests are often cutting into professional writing gigs for Ed and others; Ed may secretly know that someone's written a gnome article (for Insider, perhaps), and won't want to rain all over their parade by publishing reams of competing lore.

To give a more personal example for you, Snowblood: a lot of elven lore Ed is being careful not to comment on, because of what he knows Elaine Cunningham or Rich Baker or others are working on. You may want to know something specific about, say, Myth Drannor, and Ed may very much want to tell you - - but he knows doing so will damage or restrict what someone else is working hard on. So he just waits, silently. It's the best approach, because for some matters, just confirming or discussing can do damage in itself.
This skillful tightrope-walking Ed has always been careful to do is almost certainly a large part of why Candlekeep hasn't been shut down or restricted by Wizards, because I KNOW that staffers and managers at Wizards are well aware of Candlekeep, and follow what's posted here.
Which is a very long-winded way of saying Ed has no formal method of putting lore requests in priority, but does have an "approach" to them.
love,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 11 Jul 2010 17:20:22
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Broken Helm
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Dear Ed, I've always been curious about this cheese. . .

Seriously, I'd like to know the names and a line of description (color, taste, consistency, used primarily for) of, say, half a dozen local cheeses made in the Dales (and nowhere else). Just for local colour. No rush on this.
Thanks!
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Kyrene
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Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  17:47:18  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
THO,

Some questions for you rather than Ed. How often (if at all still) do you manage to play in Ed's home campaign? What ruleset (if any) do you folks use? Has your character/s died before, and if so, what was the most memorable death? What was the most memorable (or crowning achievement type of) success your character/s had? And, lastly, what was the funniest moment?

I hope none of the above are in any way too personal, as I do appreciate how you value your privacy. All this talk of what a premium Ed's time is (and has always been) just started me wondering about his home campaign.

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Malcolm
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Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  17:47:31  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
And I'd like to cap that last lore query with one of my own: the same number of local wines or spirits of the dales, to go with those cheeses. We hear all about ales, but not so much about vintages. Thank you.
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  17:52:17  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
I missed a factor re. Ed's answering times, but The Sage caught it: sometimes, Ed is already working on something related to a scribe's lore query, or such current work has sent him on a lore search that has uncovered something relevant to the query along the way, and so he can just answer straight away, instead of searching.
Another sort of delay is when Ed needs to contact someone at WotC for clarification of an NDA, or permission to reveal something (such as, currently, the title of his next Elminster novel after ELMINSTER MUST DIE! - - which he hasn't yet been told he can reveal, but which is printed in the forematter of EL M D). Then he must wait for a response, and we scribes must in turn wait for him to get it and then act on it.
love to all,
THO
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  17:56:36  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Broken Helm

Dear Ed, I've always been curious about this cheese. . .

Seriously, I'd like to know the names and a line of description (color, taste, consistency, used primarily for) of, say, half a dozen local cheeses made in the Dales (and nowhere else). Just for local colour. No rush on this.
Thanks!



I find this very interesting as I am going tomorrow to aquire some Montgomery Cheddar to fit a craving. When I was looking for a local source, I was wondering about cheeses in the realms.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  18:01:58  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Kyrene,
Ed's "home" campaign doesn't see all that much action, any more. His players all have busy professional lives and are scattered all over the globe at times. For over a decade, the pattern was: New Year's Day, a full day of Realmsplay, and the Civic Holiday weekend in Canada (first August weekend) up at Ed's cottage: several days of intense game play, with at least two Realmsplay sessions wrapped around all sorts of favourite games, from Mille Bornes and Arkham Horror to Empires of the Middle Ages and Squad Leader. However, since GenCon's move to Indy, increasingly it (or its "travel shadow") has wandered into that weekend.
However, we all still "play" by e-mail with Ed, when the spirit moves us. We don't really use a ruleset, these days (though we began with 1e, then adopted 2e by vote, and have over the years adopted various new classes, new rules, and events [the Time of Troubles we nixed, for "our" campaign], all by voting). For us, it's all about roleplaying, not competitive gaming; we're sharing in a grand, intricate [many subplots], endless unfolding story, not gaming to improve our characters or to "beat" anyone (either monsters or other PCs).
I have played several characters, and, yes, there have been deaths (and raisings). As for memorable, crowning, or funniest, I've answered all of those before, here at the Keep, and have found that my answers change, over time, and it gets increasingly difficult to single out lone examples of such highpoints; it's becoming an ever-richer tapestry. I've been playing with Ed now for thirty-two years straight (however sporadically), after all. Let me think a bit, and see if my answers have changed enough to post new "funniest," most memorable, and so on . . .
love,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 11 Jul 2010 18:04:13
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Kyrene
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Posted - 11 Jul 2010 :  18:09:42  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Let me think a bit, and see if my answers have changed enough to post new "funniest," most memorable, and so on . . .
love,
THO

I'll search for your previous answers to this. My main query (about how much you still get to play) was answered, so you needn't trouble yourself.

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Markustay
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"Ed, tell me about this cheese..."

Okay, I could have a LOT of fun with that one.....

Anyway, in another thread something came up that I hadn't really considered before, and since Ed was nice enough to answer my last (tongue-in-cheek) query about Liches (Why do they wear clothes?), I figure this might be something he has given some thought to as well.

Does being turned into an Intelligent Undead set-off any stasis clones the person might have? I would assume being turned into zombie, skeleton, or something else truly 'dead' would, but what about a Lich, or vampire?

That Manshoon clone isn't a real example of this, since it was the clone, and not the living person, who became a Vamp.

And since I am on this tangent, why would a Mage bother to create so many clones? Do the always ALL activate at once, or was that some fluke with Manshoon? I remember there was an 'update clone' spell somewhere, that I believe you created, which would alleviate the need to create repeated (more mature) clones.

Also, how do most Mages feel about clones? I mean, technically, is it REALLY them? I had always assumed that the Mages 'soul', or 'persona', transferred to the clone, but the Manshoon fiasco disproves that theory. Did any of the clones even have a soul? ( or 'spirit', or 'lifeforce') I am asking for you to quantify it in D&D terms, not any sort of RW religious dogma. Its hard for me to wrap my head around this one, since IMHO the 'new' person isn't really the old one, and the Mage is still dead, which makes making a clone rather useless, for the most part.

What about Chosen - are they even allowed to make clones? How do they feel about them? How do druids feel about them? ("upsetting the natural order" and all of that)

Also, getting back to Liches - why bother? Why not just become a Vampire, or some other type of greater undead? Thayans prefer lichdom, but I'm sure their Mulhorandi ancestors preferred becoming Ancient dead (uber-cool Ravenloft term for mummies). Why don't mages just get bitten by a vampire? After all, a Red Wizard would have no trouble feeding upon humans. There are enough spells out there that protect you from light, and just about every other of the vamp's weaknesses. Why wouldn't nearly every single Drow choose this path? They live in the Underdark - that wipes out the main weakness right there.

And if beoming a lich does activate a clone, then I get this very funny picture in my head of a young Szass Tam hiding from his lich-self... is that even possible? Which is the 'real one'? Can the same person be both 'alive' AND 'dead' at the same time?

One last thing - can you have two types of undead from the same person? In a Xanth novel I read, the ghost of a person ran into their own zombie! Even though those novels are written as humor, I always thought that would make a really cool D&D scenario. How would the spirit of a dead person take having their corpse reanimated? Would it be possible for them to possess the zombie, and thereby become an intelligent undead, similar to an Animus of Greyhawk?

Edit: Isn't lady Saharel the ghost of a lich? You can kill a lich, and it is still possible for them to come back? Shouldn't her 'spirit' (which is all she is now) have been destroyed if her phylactory was destroyed? And if it wasn't, then why didn't she just re-manifest as a lich?

Undeath is SO confusing......

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Edited by - Markustay on 11 Jul 2010 21:44:35
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay


And since I am on this tangent, why would a Mage bother to create so many clones? Do the always ALL activate at once, or was that some fluke with Manshoon? I remember there was an 'update clone' spell somewhere, that I believe you created, which would alleviate the need to create repeated (more mature) clones.


This part I can field, from the original printed description of the spell, in the Ruins of Zhentil Keep boxed set (page 124 of the Campaign Guide)...

quote:
Whenever the original being touches the stasis clone, the clone’s memories, skills and experience levels are updated to match the original being’s. Purely physical differences, such as aging, a wound, or an amputation the original being has gone through, are not mirrored by the clone in this process.

The stasis is normally lifted only when the original being dies, though up to two contingency spells may be applied to any stasis clone to modify when and how it activates. (Note that a stasis clone confined in an airtight or flooded space may perish shortly after awakening.) Multiple stasis clones can be created by repeated castings of this spell. These stasis clones can even be linked to each other by custom-devised transferal spells mated to contingency spells so that the death of the first clone awakens only the second, its death in turn activates just the third, and so on.

Manshoon has used this spell both to escape a final death and to remain young. As he ages, he can update his stasis clone, get himself slain (usually in a reckless attack that destroys an enemy, such as a powerful Red Wizard), and return as a physically younger clone. Several wizards have offered him fantastic sums for a copy of this spell and reportedly have been refused. Others (including apprentices) have perished quite messily at Manshoon’s hands when they attempted to steal the spell.



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I seem to remember Ed once saying that undead humans were like living humans in one way: they exhibited infinite variety. In other words, there were ALWAYS "weirdo" exceptions, unique undead that "didn't fit" what most vampires or liches or mummies did and had.
And Manshoon's stasis clone spell worked fine for years and years (one of Ed's novels, CROWN OF FIRE, I think, showed us one of Manshoon's clones activating after his "previous self" died), until SOMETHING made all (or almost all) of the remaining ones activate at once. I think the reason was covered in canon Realmslore, but I'm not sure.
I also seem to recall that WotC "official line" is that there's only one Manshoon left, now (the vampire who formerly ruled Westgate as Orbakh), but that Ed's "official line" is that that's the only surviving Manshoon IN THE REALMS right now (there are others, on other worlds, who may in the future arrive in the Realms . . . or not).
THO? Ed? Can you confirm, correct, or deny? Please?
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay


And since I am on this tangent, why would a Mage bother to create so many clones? Do the always ALL activate at once, or was that some fluke with Manshoon? I remember there was an 'update clone' spell somewhere, that I believe you created, which would alleviate the need to create repeated (more mature) clones.


This part I can field, from the original printed description of the spell, in the Ruins of Zhentil Keep boxed set (page 124 of the Campaign Guide)...

quote:
Whenever the original being touches the stasis clone, the clone’s memories, skills and experience levels are updated to match the original being’s. Purely physical differences, such as aging, a wound, or an amputation the original being has gone through, are not mirrored by the clone in this process.

The stasis is normally lifted only when the original being dies, though up to two contingency spells may be applied to any stasis clone to modify when and how it activates. (Note that a stasis clone confined in an airtight or flooded space may perish shortly after awakening.) Multiple stasis clones can be created by repeated castings of this spell. These stasis clones can even be linked to each other by custom-devised transferal spells mated to contingency spells so that the death of the first clone awakens only the second, its death in turn activates just the third, and so on.

Manshoon has used this spell both to escape a final death and to remain young. As he ages, he can update his stasis clone, get himself slain (usually in a reckless attack that destroys an enemy, such as a powerful Red Wizard), and return as a physically younger clone. Several wizards have offered him fantastic sums for a copy of this spell and reportedly have been refused. Others (including apprentices) have perished quite messily at Manshoon’s hands when they attempted to steal the spell.




Also, consider this bit from both the Lady Hooded One, and Ed Greenwood:-

"With respect, folks, some of the discussion here is founded on incomplete understandings. The lower levels of various Manshoon clones aren't "mistakes." Manshoon's clones aren't created by the PHB clone spell, but rather by Manshoon's stasis clone spell (which has been detailed by Ed in 2nd Ed sources, and remember: FR lore isn't trumped by rules edition changes, so just because 3e and 3.5e have come along since then, it DOESN'T mean there isn't still a "stasis clone" spell used by Manshoon. Several scenes in Ed's novels detail the "awakening" of Manshoon's clones, which normally occurred only when the "previous" Manshoon died. The multiple clones, hidden all over the Realms (El has threatened Manshoon in published Realmslore that he knows where they all are), each have the levels, memories, etc. they had when created . . . so some of them are of FAR less power than 'more modern' Manshoons (so killing Manshoon DOES harm him). Manshoon adds new clones from time to time, but what happened with the Manshoon Wars was that all (or almost all) of the clones were awakened at once. Hence all the different levels, etc. To reiterate: there is no "transfer" of existing spells, memories, etc. to a newly awakened clone.
And yes, Manshoon IS the ultimate puppet master among non-liches and non-zulkirs, although there's something going on with Hesperdan that Ed hasn't revealed to us all, yet.
Not trying to rain on the parade here, just to correct things before too many assumptions in reasoning are made based on the wrong clone spell.
love,
THO"

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Thank you all and sundry for that extremely detailed reply....it was simple curiosity that made me ask....the very detailed responses by all have clarified for everyone (including me) what goes on 'behind the scenes' in matters pertaining to this scroll and to writers of the realms in general....so again many thanks for that insightful explanation into 'the making of...' a reply here in Ed's scroll..... hugs to all...

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Zireael
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Also, getting back to Liches - why bother? Why not just become a Vampire, or some other type of greater undead? Thayans prefer lichdom, but I'm sure their Mulhorandi ancestors preferred becoming Ancient dead (uber-cool Ravenloft term for mummies). Why don't mages just get bitten by a vampire? After all, a Red Wizard would have no trouble feeding upon humans. There are enough spells out there that protect you from light, and just about every other of the vamp's weaknesses. Why wouldn't nearly every single Drow choose this path? They live in the Underdark - that wipes out the main weakness right there.

One last thing - can you have two types of undead from the same person? In a Xanth novel I read, the ghost of a person ran into their own zombie! Even though those novels are written as humor, I always thought that would make a really cool D&D scenario. How would the spirit of a dead person take having their corpse reanimated? Would it be possible for them to possess the zombie, and thereby become an intelligent undead, similar to an Animus of Greyhawk?

Edit: Isn't lady Saharel the ghost of a lich? You can kill a lich, and it is still possible for them to come back? Shouldn't her 'spirit' (which is all she is now) have been destroyed if her phylactory was destroyed? And if it wasn't, then why didn't she just re-manifest as a lich?

Undeath is SO confusing......



I'd love to see these three questions answered.
As for you, Markus, there are two vampire drow in the Realmslore I remember - Shyntlara Auvryndar from Ched Nasad, a cleric and matron mother, and Mass, a vampire drow monk from CotSQ adventure.

SiNafay Vrinn, the daughter of Lloth, from Ched Nasad!

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Somehow, I can't help but feel that these queries regarding Manshoon's clones are tied in with my earlier queries about what happens in 'The Many Murders of Manshoon'.

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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Also, getting back to Liches - why bother? Why not just become a Vampire, or some other type of greater undead? (...) Why don't mages just get bitten by a vampire?


I think maybe I could answer this one, at least in part. When you're a vampire, you're somehow controlled by your "master", the one that transformed you in what you are. To be a totally free-willed vampire, a mage would have to find a way of releasing (her) himself from this mind control. Besides, becoming a vampire depends on another vampire. Lichdom is a proccess that the wizard researchs alone, and is far more controllable (it's a magic and ritualistic proccess, just the way wizards like).

About clothes, I think maybe many liches are just used to them, from previous life experience. There are the enchanted items (wizard robes, for example), but even when they are not magical, they can have pockets and containers the lich was used to access when he (she) was alive.

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  16:04:14  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message
Glarasteer Rhauligan .....did Ed ever get to do anything related to why he was initially created ( I vaguely remeber Ed created him for an entirely different reason than the Cormyr novel?)....if not (or if so) has enough time passed in the realms that anything can be shared?

Thanks!

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  18:15:04  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. Ed says:


Not QUITE enough time has passed, just yet. However, I promise you that the Rhauligan family's tale isn't quite done, that you'll learn SOMEthing tangentially related to it in ELMINSTER MUST DIE! . . . and that I'm awaiting the right opportunity to say more.
Although I mislike "steering" the Spin A Yarn audience at GenCon, mentioning the use of Glarasteer Rhauligan at that seminar would almost, ahem, FORCE me to say more about him....wouldn't it? ;}


So saith Ed. Enjoying being the tease instead of enjoying watching ME be the tease, for once.
love,
THO
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Blueblade
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Dear Ed and THO,
I'm hoping you can provide me with the name of a Cormyrean noble family (or two) who might be known for breeding (superb) horses, that they occasionally or regularly sell on the open market. Plus (if it's not too greedy), some indication of where they breed them, and where they sell them.
Thanks!
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  18:23:17  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Traditionally the Huntsilvers and the Cormaerils sold horses, but this is just what I can remember off of the top of my head; Ed will have to provide a proper answer.
Off to him it goeth . . .
love,
THO
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Dear Ed and THO,
I have in my notes from one of Ed's long-ago GenCon talks (not a seminar, this was one of those "someone meets Ed in a MECCA corridor and starts asking him things, and an hour later he's still standing talking, with a huge audience" times) the following notation:

Ironshar family. Important in trading ointments, physics (medicines), addictive drugs, weapons. Amn, Scornubel, "respectable" in Cormyr, Sembia. Now hunted by Zhents.

Is there anything else you can easily add to this? Some names of family members? Updates? How'd things work out with the Zhents? Ironshar allies?

Thanks!
BA
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 13 Jul 2010 :  00:58:33  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Heh. Ed says:


Not QUITE enough time has passed, just yet. However, I promise you that the Rhauligan family's tale isn't quite done, that you'll learn SOMEthing tangentially related to it in ELMINSTER MUST DIE! . . . and that I'm awaiting the right opportunity to say more.
Although I mislike "steering" the Spin A Yarn audience at GenCon, mentioning the use of Glarasteer Rhauligan at that seminar would almost, ahem, FORCE me to say more about him....wouldn't it? ;}


So saith Ed. Enjoying being the tease instead of enjoying watching ME be the tease, for once.
love,
THO



Isn't he just a saucy little tart?

and I was inspired to ask about dear Glarasteer when I read the Rhauligan name in the "free realmslore" on the WOTC site.

A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -

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I have a question, or rather, need an affirmation, but I'm not sure if I post it, and I'm correct, Ed would appreciate me broadcasting my latest 'epiphany' all over the web.

And if he won't or can't answer me, he wouldn't even be able to say as much, since that would give me my answer right there.

It has to do with Ed's original campaign in the Realms - I think I finally uncovered enough layers to find the 'core truth', which I'm not sure his players even ever managed to unveil.

Lets just say I finished re-reading Elminster's Daughter at about 6AM, and in my bleary, half-asleep consciousness a bunch of disparate lore all clicked into place. MANY hints in that novel, but also a few others he has been sprinkling liberally about for years.

The first time I read it, I noticed Elminster was acting a bit differently then in the past, and I had chalked it up to his trip to Hell in the previous work. Although I still think that may have something to do with his... tired... attitude, I think a LOT more may hinge on Vangerdehast.

Am I on the right track here?

That part is just a small bit of what I realized, but I don't want to start listing everything that I suddenly saw in a new light and give anything away. I'm just glad I re-read that book and noticed all the 'strangeness' the second time around.

Of course, just before finally falling asleep, I glimpsed yet-another layer deeper still.. one that connects many more bits of lore, and one that makes the Spellplague more... palatable.

I'll leave that one alone... things divine are best-left mysterious. As Elminster says in the novel, "ye know the saying about wizards never letting slip their secrets?"

BTW, have Speaking Stones ever been detailed, mentioned, or discussed anywhere else in Realmslore?

{and no-one else bother to PM me - I won't answer anyone until I get a response from Ed, and if I don't get one at all, I'll just keep my yap shut.............. for once).

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 13 Jul 2010 :  03:49:14  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Markustay, Ed makes swift and delighted reply:


I do believe you're onto something. Yes.
The question is: what? ;}
ELMINSTER MUST DIE! may seem to confuse matters a bit more, when you read it, and I must tread VERY carefully in regards to what I say, but . . . Markustay, why don't you share some of your conclusions here, in this thread? Then I MIGHT be able to partially confirm, or hint more, or encourage . . .
I'm very pleased that someone has noticed certain things, and doubly pleased that it's someone who sees the value of leaving mysteries in place.
So let's see how far we can hint, and speculate, and confirm, together . . .


So saith Ed. Uttering a last line that sounds like one of mine (if delivered in a suitable purr-cum-whisper, with batted eyelashes and meaningful looks).
Oh, this IS exciting . . .

love,
THO
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