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The Sage
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Posted - 21 May 2010 :  08:36:10  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Zireael

I'll jump at the chance, 'cause we're on Cormyr topic.
Is Brace Skatterhawk Azoun IV's son? And is something clear known about his relationship with Alusair (more than it was implied in C:aN?)

I'm not Ed, but I seem to recall a bit in Cormyr: A Novel whereupon it was revealed that Brace was indeed a bastard son of Azoun IV.

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Zireael
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Posted - 21 May 2010 :  12:38:52  Show Profile  Visit Zireael's Homepage Send Zireael a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
<snip>
Ahh... the Cormyr Lineage... 'twould be a serious crime to leave that locked up... I've earlier presented my arguments for publication, most (if not all) of which I'm sure Ed has already thought of. Lore should be for the players, but it doesn't get to the players without being stripped of NDAs and published.

I would be perfectly happy to sign the NDAs myself and do the work free of charge to pretty up the formatting of the Lineage for PDF-format publication, as I know that Ed and Brian are very busy and I can't see WotC sparing time in their product schedule for it (it being almost entirely lore and completely devoid of mechanics... which is probably why they're in no great hurry to see it into print).

Anyway, there's my offer of assistance in the matter. Not that it will do much good, I suspect...



Oh, that Cormyr Lineage would be a great thing. When could we expect it? xD

@Sage: Well, I meant, there were some 'wink wink nudge nudge' scenes alluding to Brace being Alusair's lover too. Not only (probably) her half-brother.

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Posted - 21 May 2010 :  12:57:12  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Zireael

quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
<snip>
Ahh... the Cormyr Lineage... 'twould be a serious crime to leave that locked up... I've earlier presented my arguments for publication, most (if not all) of which I'm sure Ed has already thought of. Lore should be for the players, but it doesn't get to the players without being stripped of NDAs and published.

I would be perfectly happy to sign the NDAs myself and do the work free of charge to pretty up the formatting of the Lineage for PDF-format publication, as I know that Ed and Brian are very busy and I can't see WotC sparing time in their product schedule for it (it being almost entirely lore and completely devoid of mechanics... which is probably why they're in no great hurry to see it into print).

Anyway, there's my offer of assistance in the matter. Not that it will do much good, I suspect...



Oh, that Cormyr Lineage would be a great thing. When could we expect it? xD

@Sage: Well, I meant, there were some 'wink wink nudge nudge' scenes alluding to Brace being Alusair's lover too. Not only (probably) her half-brother.



As I recall, she asked him point-blank, and he confirmed it.

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Posted - 21 May 2010 :  13:09:36  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
What Wooly said!

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Posted - 21 May 2010 :  15:14:27  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message
Hey Ed, I see you are attending the FanExpo in Toronto this year. I have to convince my wife to be that we can go, we almost did last year but you had cancelled, so any ideas on what the odds are of this year being good? Thanks!

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Menelvagor
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Posted - 21 May 2010 :  15:28:33  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
Quick questions which will probably slam me into an NDA wall: In Tears So White, The Srinshee says that she was fading away, but that when Mystra died, much of her essence 'stole into her' and restored her. What was this 'fading away'? And how did the essence of Mystra restore her? Was the essence of Mystra added to that essence she already had in her as a Chosen, and did she keep soem of it at least with the rise of Midnight as Mystra?

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Zireael
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Posted - 21 May 2010 :  18:39:52  Show Profile  Visit Zireael's Homepage Send Zireael a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor

Quick questions which will probably slam me into an NDA wall: In Tears So White, The Srinshee says that she was fading away, but that when Mystra died, much of her essence 'stole into her' and restored her. What was this 'fading away'? And how did the essence of Mystra restore her? Was the essence of Mystra added to that essence she already had in her as a Chosen, and did she keep soem of it at least with the rise of Midnight as Mystra?



"Fading away" is Elven for dying, or moving into Arvandor. AFAIR it was referenced in Evermeet: Island of Elves.

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Tyranthraxus
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Posted - 21 May 2010 :  20:32:52  Show Profile  Visit Tyranthraxus's Homepage  Click to see Tyranthraxus's MSN Messenger address Send Tyranthraxus a Private Message
I don't know if this has already been asked, if so sorry for asking again.

Dear THO and Ed,

Here in the Netherlands we have so-called coffeshops and smartshops. Public places where it's allowed (though not legal) to buy (and often use) soft drugs like marijuana.

Do such places, where one could buy these kind of special herbs, exist in the Realms?

Just wondering...
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althen artren
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Back to the Srinshee question, I get the impression she is a chosen for Mystra and another
elven god. I say because Ed said a while back that for her to get pregnant, 2 gods would
have to consent. Im thinking Sehanine myself.
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 22 May 2010 :  01:51:02  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. Tyranthraxus, most cities and "market towns" in the Realms have alchemists or herbalists or both (shops, that is), and of course most farmers (crofters) and rural villages have ample supplies of grown-right-there herbs as well as "harvested from hedgerows and woodlots or the wild" herbs. However, the Realms DOESN'T have laws against soft or hard recreational herbal drugs (the very concept is unknown, because herbs and other plants have always been used for home medicines, and for trance-inducing, hallucinogenic, and mood-altering purposes IN TEMPLES, by the priests of the Realms (of almost all faiths).
As a result, there's no market need in the Realms for what's sometimes called in our real world a "head shop" or a "funk shop" or any "counter-culture" gathering place or vendor of drugs and associated items ("bongs", music, T-shirts, etc.).
No drug trade, no drug laws and police enforcement of them...none of that. If an idiot "drives" a wagon or chariot when stoned or drunk and does damage, citizens mete out rough justice on the spot, or the Watch in a city comes and arrests and takes the miscreant to justice for the damage done and for the reckless endangerment of the behavior that caused said damage...NOT for the drugs. (Again, in a setting where EVERYONE "believes" in all of the gods without necessarily having to take anything on faith, and priests habitually make use of drugs in holy rituals involving themselves and lay worshippers, the very concept of "drugs being illegal" is unknown.)
The one exception I know of is: military discipline. In many of the armies and local lawkeeping forces (i.e. City Watches) of the Realms, it's an offense to be drunk or stoned on duty.

Now, a note to all scribes reading this: please DO NOT misinterpret this post as advocating drug use in the real world, or describing the Realms as a place where everyone (or a majority of folk) are stoned all or part of the time. Nothing could be further from the truth. In some thirty-two years or so of Realmsplay, Ed has only ever described ANY evidence of drugs in the Realms twice, that I recall.
Once was a ritual in which priests had undertaken a vigil in which they drank sacred wine and inhaled vapors from specific herbs burned on an altar, in order to receive visions that would guide them (that they believed came from the deity).
The other occasion was PCs invading a temple of Bane to try to recover kidnapped persons. As they descended into lower levels of the temple (subterranean dungeons), Ed described acrid scents in the air, as if certain plants were being burned...and then the visions started. (This wasn't a defense of the temple, it was priests down on those lower levels engaged in a ritual, and the PCs inhaling the results from the air currents that normally exhaust the air of those lower temple levels.)

So saith me.
As they say on the news: No, don't try this at home.
love,
THO

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 22 May 2010 :  01:58:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Oh, and Zireael: yes, Brace Skatterhawk is the son of Azoun IV. So is Brace's close and longtime friend, Beliard Cormaeril.
(This comes from Ed's notes.)
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 22 May 2010 :  02:02:26  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
As for Brace being Alusair's lover: yes, but please don't interpret "lover" as "longtime bed companion."
Brace was one of the many young noblemen whom Alusair "rode with" in military service in the northern parts of the realm, and made love to when camping of nights as she pleased. As in, her bedroll-partner changed from night to night, without anyone getting possessive or vying to be her "favourite." So among that fellowship, Brace was one of some forty-odd lovers (and, yes, it's likely a few others among them were UNWITTINGLY, on her part or perhaps unknown to both of them, her half-brothers).
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 May 2010 :  02:41:49  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

As for Brace being Alusair's lover: yes, but please don't interpret "lover" as "longtime bed companion."
Brace was one of the many young noblemen whom Alusair "rode with" in military service in the northern parts of the realm, and made love to when camping of nights as she pleased. As in, her bedroll-partner changed from night to night, without anyone getting possessive or vying to be her "favourite." So among that fellowship, Brace was one of some forty-odd lovers (and, yes, it's likely a few others among them were UNWITTINGLY, on her part or perhaps unknown to both of them, her half-brothers).
love,
THO



So... Having shared bedrolls with multiple companions kinda negates a need for privacy with those companions. So when she was sharing a bedroll, did she and her partner discreetly wander off, or casually announce they'd be back later, or just go to, not worrying about the proximity of others?

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The Sage
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Posted - 22 May 2010 :  03:05:33  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Brace was one of the many young noblemen whom Alusair "rode with" in military service in the northern parts of the realm, and made love to when camping of nights as she pleased.
Any chance we can learn a few details about some other "rides" we've not heard mentioned before?

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Zandilar
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Posted - 22 May 2010 :  04:30:33  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

As for Brace being Alusair's lover: yes, but please don't interpret "lover" as "longtime bed companion."
Brace was one of the many young noblemen whom Alusair "rode with" in military service in the northern parts of the realm, and made love to when camping of nights as she pleased. As in, her bedroll-partner changed from night to night, without anyone getting possessive or vying to be her "favourite." So among that fellowship, Brace was one of some forty-odd lovers (and, yes, it's likely a few others among them were UNWITTINGLY, on her part or perhaps unknown to both of them, her half-brothers).
love,
THO



I must express again what an extraordinary situation that is. While they don't need to contend with Earth-based cultural taboos regarding sex or the cultural double standards regarding women and sex, they still must contend with their own biological imperatives. Such a situation can work, but is more likely with smaller groups than groups of this size. Maybe Sune's smiling on them all. (And I bet Sune and Sharess LOVE Alusair. )

I'm also curious - there's clearly some incest* going on there, since there's more than one of Azoun's bastards present amongst her Blades. She isn't bothered by that at all? What is the common attitude with regards to incest with half-siblings and/or cousins? How about with full siblings? (Forgive me if I've asked this before and been given an answer. I really should keep better track, but there's now six rather large files to search through to check, I simply don't have the time. Please just disregard it if it has been asked/answered.)

* I use the term completely without judgment.

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Zireael
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Posted - 22 May 2010 :  09:47:13  Show Profile  Visit Zireael's Homepage Send Zireael a Private Message
Second that question. That bugs me too now...

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Snowblood
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Dear Ed & Lady THO,,, Who is the mysterious wizard living on the edge of the Flooded Forest??? How did the Forest end up this way? Are there any Elven ruins within its swampy embrace?

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Ashe Ravenheart
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quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar

<snip>
I'm also curious - there's clearly some incest* going on there, since there's more than one of Azoun's bastards present amongst her Blades. She isn't bothered by that at all? What is the common attitude with regards to incest with half-siblings and/or cousins? How about with full siblings? (Forgive me if I've asked this before and been given an answer. I really should keep better track, but there's now six rather large files to search through to check, I simply don't have the time. Please just disregard it if it has been asked/answered.)

* I use the term completely without judgment.



I know that I've seen this discussion gone around at least twice regarding the views of "incestuous" relationships on the boards here, with THO giving the explanations many a time. Although, I don't have the exact locations bookmarked (perhaps Sage or Wooly? Maybe we create a sticky on the discussion?).

The general thoughts on the matter have boiled down to this: No, she's not bothered by it, and not many people in the Realms would be.

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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The Sage
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Posted - 22 May 2010 :  16:53:06  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

I know that I've seen this discussion gone around at least twice regarding the views of "incestuous" relationships on the boards here, with THO giving the explanations many a time. Although, I don't have the exact locations bookmarked (perhaps Sage or Wooly? Maybe we create a sticky on the discussion?).

The general thoughts on the matter have boiled down to this: No, she's not bothered by it, and not many people in the Realms would be.

There's bit and pieces scattered. Really, a thorough search of the "So Saith Ed" archives will reveal the bits you're thinking about.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 22 May 2010 :  20:31:13  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Wooly, re. this: "So... Having shared bedrolls with multiple companions kinda negates a need for privacy with those companions. So when she was sharing a bedroll, did she and her partner discreetly wander off, or casually announce they'd be back later, or just go to, not worrying about the proximity of others?"
I've talked to Ed a time or two about this (we Knights, in hiding at night, witnessed one of these encampments), and the answer is: It depended. As in, Alusair wasn't shy, but some of her partners were.

Now, to Zandilar and Zireael, re. the larger issue of incest: partners contemplating such relationships in the Realms will be fully aware of how it might harm friendships and family relationships, the complications it might cause regarding inheritances, and so on. The Obarskyrs, most nobles, and many other Cormyreans have access to magical contraception, and almost all Cormyreans (and Dalefolk, and Sembians, and...) to herbal contraception. Some want to use it, some don't (and remember, some faiths in the Realms have a very different position on incest than the Judeo-Christian one).
This is something Ed and I have talked about, too, and he has made it very clear that the female Obarskyrs (some of whom married into the clan, of course, rather than being born into it) would behave very differently if contraception wasn't available. Also, the existence of magical contraception has saved many noble women from rape, because it takes away the danger of it being done cold-bloodedly to get a tie to a family's inheritance or wealth.
Alusair, like her father, enjoyed sex. Lots of sex, often. Filfaeril loved sex in private, not so often. Tanalasta liked sex in private, seldom. Most people in the Realms, as in our real world, want lots of sex in their teenaged years, and then their lusts taper off - - but the Azouns and Alusairs are rarer than the Tanalastas. Ed's Realms have the full variety of human tastes and experiences, NOT a global nonstop orgy.
Me, I'm more in the Alusair camp.
love,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 22 May 2010 20:52:14
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The Hooded One
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Hi again.
Snowblood, re. this: "Dear Ed & Lady THO, Who is the mysterious wizard living on the edge of the Flooded Forest??? How did the Forest end up this way? Are there any Elven ruins within its swampy embrace?"
I can start to answer you, thus:
1. NDA
2. Partially NDA.
3. Yes.
love,
THO
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Dear Ed and THO,
My sources (heh-heh) tell me Ed was seen at Ad Astra talking to Gabrielle Harbowy, of Dragon Moon Press. Any future projects coming out of this, that can be talked about, yet?
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Hello! I found this from August 27, 2006. Sadly, I couldn't have it do the Quote part, though. If any mod can fix this (should it be useful), then please do so.


quote:
Hello again, fellow scribes. This time Ed answers The Sage, re. this: “I'm more than a little hesitant to add to my own backlog of questions for Ed to answer ... but a discussion with a fellow scribe over an aspect in another setting got me thinking about how this aspect is reflected in the Realms. It's about inbreeding, specifically... among the many royal families -- human and demihuman -- and/or long established noble families across the Realms. I know about instances of inbreeding in published Realms material already, for example... like that which is somewhat common among long isolated Underdark races, as well as the inbreeding that occurs among the ruling class of the Gugari people in the Hordelands. There are slight references in other sources... mostly with regard to noble families looking to keep favorable traits within their own family, but I'm looking more for Ed's personal take here and how he's handled the concept in his home Realms campaign, as well as any additional thoughts and/or lore he'd like to sure with me. I realize this can be a sensitive subject, and if you feel it's inappropriate to answer here, I'll understand if you do not wish to elaborate. However, I'm intrigued by this somewhat, and I'd like to learn a little more about how such an aspect is realised in the Realms.”
Ed replies:



No, no, nothing is inappropriate to discuss. After all, you’re talking to a man who’s discussed the visual success of her breast augmentation with a perfect stranger at a LIBRARIAN’S convention, very much in public. (She declined my offer of the taste test, but she was laughing as she did it.) Ahem. Inbreeding: as royalty sets the laws in almost every place in the Realms that has royalty (except in a few city-states, not yet detailed, where priesthoods have strong influences), there’s nothing illegal about inbreeding. It’s rare, and when it does happen is usually mothers marrying sons because the father (the king) has been slain, and the mother wants THAT son (often a bastard) to rule, or fathers (kings) marrying daughters. Sometimes brothers hitch up with sisters - - and uncle/niece and aunt/nephew pairings are quite common and aren’t even thought of (in the Realms) as inbreeding.
Yes, there are inevitable genetic problems. When they become obvious is usually when rules start to get forced into place (and the drooling idiots get locked up and never spoken of again, or killed in “accidents” if they don’t have to be kept around for possible backup breeding purposes).
It’s important to remember that many of the Realms deities encourage “sex for fun” (or even “sex for religious rapture”) and their priests have magical and pharmaceutical meals of preventing contraception, so “it’s only incest if the female partner gets pregnant.” This, by the way, usually means family members satisfy their curiosity and indulge feelings of mutual affection, and then go looking for less “safe and familiar” but far more exciting partners, elsewhere.
What the Realms DOES have, in most places, is laws against bringing rulers back from the dead umpteen times, or ruling as undead. Sometimes a raising done quickly, after battle, can be passed off as “healing,” but otherwise it’s usually “death is final, for crowned heads” (to avoid factions bringing back centuries-worth of kings as pretenders and tearing kingdoms apart in endless civil wars).



So saith Ed. Who seems to own an adequate supply of incest repellent in real life, I might add.
love to all,
THO



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That's one of the replies I found. There's a few others also. I'll see what I can dig up.

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Posted - 23 May 2010 :  02:04:33  Show Profile  Visit Joran Nobleheart's Homepage Send Joran Nobleheart a Private Message
Thank you for adjusting it for me, Sage. I appreciate it.

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