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Malcolm
Learned Scribe

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Posted - 11 May 2010 :  02:53:46  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
Dear Ed and THO,
A Shadowdale just-pre-Spellplague question (in peacetime, assuming all the upheavals of the 3.5e hardcover "Tearing of the Weave" haven't happened yet, or never happened, or things have really settled down again, in the wake of)...
So it's late and I'm "taking out the garbage."
Do I: burn it? bury it? Throw it out into the woods to be scavenged? Throw it somewhere else, ditto?
And who am "I," usually? Husband? Wife? Child? Servant? Aging parent/grandparent/uncle/aunt living with younger kin? Rag-n-bone man for the community?
Thanks!
This isn't just "ooh, must get more detail" curiosity, I'm trying to work out details of a subplot involving how some small item could get inadvertently thrown out (or smuggled out) of a watched house...
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Brimstone
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USA
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Posted - 11 May 2010 :  04:19:26  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ah, the sneak preview is out in the world at last!
How many sample chapters appeared? (I THINK the novel has a Prologue, Epilogue, and thirty-something chapters in between, but that's largely an educated guess on my part, estimating from 3,000-plus words per Ed-fave-length chapter and the usual Ed novel wordcount, not from having seen the actual text.)
love,
THO


Prologue, and Chapters 1, and 2.

It also has a Steel Regent's Ghost in it.

And Storm Silverhand.

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep

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Brimstone
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Posted - 11 May 2010 :  04:20:40  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Elfinblade

Even though i'm getting Circle of Skulls in the mail in a couple of weeks, i find myself itching for the sample chapters from El Must Die. Have they been released elsewhere, mayhaps on the web?

-Stig-


I haven't seen them on the Web yet...

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 May 2010 :  04:38:01  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade

crazedventurers, methinks Gondegal's blazon has been discussed here at the Keep, some years back.
Sage? Wooly?
BB

It "does" sound familiar.

Let me search through the archives.



I didn't find anything on a quick check of my own files...

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 May 2010 :  04:41:28  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One


BTW, the "acre" is a term still slowly creeping into the Realms, thanks to Elminster ("hectare" is still unknown), and most properties in Cormyr would officially be measured in "chains" or "chainsquares" (the surveyor's chain being a linear measurement, and the "chainsquare" being a square area measurement consisting of one chain per side; chains rather than rigid "ruler"-like measures are used so as to be able to handle irregular shapes).


So is there a standard or accepted length for chains?

And does the Crown back or regulate any particular units of measure? If not, is there anyone who does?

And since we're talking about land... I used to shuffle papers for a mortgage company. I saw some plat descriptions that were nicely vague, like "the land as described on page XX of platbook YY", or "XXXX square feet, measured from here to here to here". I saw other plat descriptions that were super detailed -- "starting at coordinates XX.XX degrees YY.YY minutes longitude, AA.AA degrees BB.BB minutes latitude, running QQ.QQ feet along the heading of TT, then turning 38.13 degrees to this other heading" and so on.

So how are angles measured? And how vague or descriptive are land records?

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The Sage
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Posted - 11 May 2010 :  05:09:48  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Elfinblade

Even though i'm getting Circle of Skulls in the mail in a couple of weeks, i find myself itching for the sample chapters from El Must Die. Have they been released elsewhere, mayhaps on the web?

-Stig-

No. Though, if you're curious, I might summarise the few important tidbits presented.

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The Sage
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Posted - 11 May 2010 :  05:11:59  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade

crazedventurers, methinks Gondegal's blazon has been discussed here at the Keep, some years back.
Sage? Wooly?
BB

It "does" sound familiar.

Let me search through the archives.



I didn't find anything on a quick check of my own files...

And my own searching through my extensive archives revealed only a few quick points on Gondegal's past.

I'm thinking it might have been something that popped up on the FR Mailing List. As such, I've have to hook up my old zip drive.

I'll keep looking.

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Elfinblade
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Norway
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Posted - 11 May 2010 :  08:55:39  Show Profile Send Elfinblade a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Elfinblade

Even though i'm getting Circle of Skulls in the mail in a couple of weeks, i find myself itching for the sample chapters from El Must Die. Have they been released elsewhere, mayhaps on the web?

-Stig-

No. Though, if you're curious, I might summarise the few important tidbits presented.



Aye, could you please sir? If you have time toss me a pm though , so we can avoid the whirlwind of off-topic posts in this shelf.
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Kyrene
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South Africa
648 Posts

Posted - 11 May 2010 :  09:20:00  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Broken Helm
crazedventurers, I recall Ed at last year's GenCon mentioning a "bowshot" being used as a short-distance measurement in Cormyr, Sembia, the Dales, and the Moonsea. Yes, some sort of "standard" length that an arrow can be sent, with a particular weight-draw of bow.

I have noticed "bowshot" being used a LOT to describe distance, so can Ed add any more to Broken Helm's recollections? I must admit, this question is also backed by my 'Realmspeak' questing, thus a simple "Aye, he has the right of it" would also do (and prevent me from having as source "(Ed at GenCon 2009)" when that would be hearsay I think ).

Also, while I'm confirming stuff, consider the following two quotes as questions:
quote:
Originally posted by Baleful Avatar (page 103, 2009 thread)
One Ed term for cannon fodder I recall from long ago is "gorcraw feed."
Meaning, I thinking, soon-to-be-carrion vultures or buzzards or the equivalent would feed on.

quote:
Originally posted by Sage of Stars (page 103, 2009 thread)
Hello. I found another Ed term for cannon fodder, for Zandilar's recent question. It's in my notes from a Realms adventure he ran for charity at Worldcon (the world science fiction convention held a few years back in Toronto), wherein he had the head of a noble house of Waterdeep refer to mercenary warriors he was sending to certain death, just to slow down mercenaries hired by a rival, as "graveyawn."
Presumably derived from the "grave yawns for them," or something of the sort.

Are "gorcraw feed" and "graveyawn" terms for cannon fodder as recalled by those scribes?

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 12 May 2010 :  02:52:23  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Kyrene, Ed sent me this reply to you:

Aye, he has the right of it. :}
As in: Broken Helm, Baleful Avatar, and Sage of Stars are ALL correct, so that's three "hes" and three citations for your Realmspeak compilation. I will add some measurements, when I get the chance; things in my life are MORE than hectic right now.


So saith Ed. Who is lore-writing diligently for us all, whenever he can snatch the time to do so.
love,
THO
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Kyrene
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South Africa
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Posted - 12 May 2010 :  08:55:47  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Kyrene, Ed sent me this reply to you:

Aye, he has the right of it. :}
As in: Broken Helm, Baleful Avatar, and Sage of Stars are ALL correct, so that's three "hes" and three citations for your Realmspeak compilation. I will add some measurements, when I get the chance; things in my life are MORE than hectic right now.


So saith Ed. Who is lore-writing diligently for us all, whenever he can snatch the time to do so.
love,
THO


Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

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I am a sexy, shoeless god of war!

The Sellplague began, for all intents and purposes, in the dominions of the Corporation. Greed murdered Good Design, unraveling common sense in the cosmos and destroying her dominion. At the same time, Sales Fears and Warcraft Envy happened into alignment. This cataclysmic coincidence led to upheaval, shaking apart the primeval order, opening up holes in wallets, and reshaping everything...
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Menelvagor
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Israel
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Posted - 12 May 2010 :  17:12:27  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One:
<snip> However, dennis, when Ed speaks of the power of the Srinshee, he's hinting at something. Remember that none of the Chosen are "just" mortal, at least before the Spellplague (so the timing changes the "who's the most powerful?" answer, too).
If I were you, I'd jaunt on over to his thread and ask him. NDAs will probably prevent him giving you a direct answer about the Srinshee's precise powers, but he can certainly tell you why he says anything at all about character powers, and how he shapes what he does say.


Since I make a listening to what our Lady says, and trying to emulate her (look where it's gotten her!), I'll ask the question: Ed, why do you say anything at all about chacter powers, how do you shpae what you say, and what are you hinting at when you speak of The Srinshee's power?

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Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."

Edited by - Menelvagor on 12 May 2010 17:15:04
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 12 May 2010 :  18:53:04  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
And behold, a reply from Ed:


Hi, Menelvagor. The reason I say anything at all about character powers is to help DMs (and fiction readers) gain a general understanding of "who's stronger than whom," not usually for "who'd win a fight?" purposes but to understand deterrent and countervailing powers, character confidence and overconfidence, and so on. (Larloch is an already-referenced example of this.)
I shape what I say carefully, so as to almost always avoid absolutes ("the best," "the smartest") and leave "wiggle room" for later storytellers and DMs. That's only fair.
And as for the Srinshee, I can't tell you what I'm hinting at. Other than to remind you of the hints. ;} NDAs, you know.


So saith Ed. Tireless hint-meister of the Realms...
love,
THO
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Brimstone
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Posted - 12 May 2010 :  22:57:55  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
I can't wait for Elminster must die!

WotC is evil for those sample chapters in Circle of Skulls.

I really want to ask Ed a question about some Ghosts El is pondering over in chapter one. I know I need to wait for the book to see what more it has to say about them.(I really need a panic smilie right now!)

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep

Edited by - Brimstone on 12 May 2010 22:58:46
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Jakk
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Posted - 13 May 2010 :  02:55:02  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
Well met once again, Ed and milady THO!

I have one more question... a subset of a question I had asked some time ago; I'm hoping that the narrowing of the focus of the question will perhaps speed the arrival of the answer. I'm assisting in locating ancient sites for scribe HandsomeRob's Toril map project, and we can't seem to find four mythal sites.

Edit: If any other scribes have any lore on the locations of these mythals that I have missed, please let me know in this scroll so we can save Ed the time. [/edit]

1) I know that Myth Unnohyr is in the Forest of Mir, but not exactly where in said forest, and I know that it was described briefly on page 54 of the Tethyr book of the 2E boxed set Lands of Intrigue (and nowhere else that I can find). I also know from search results with Google that something was done with it in the Neverwinter Nights computer game, so I'm wondering if that has perhaps loosened any extant NDAs on the precise location of the mythal.

2) I know that Myth Ondath (Ondathel, Yrlaancel) was built in Rystall Wood, which I believe was at least partially consumed by Anauroch, and I know that the mythal itself has been given a relatively precise location in the past, but I can't find that lore now. Perhaps another scribe can assist us in this detail?

3) I know from the REALMS-L postings from Eric Boyd and Steven Schend regarding mythals that Myth Adofaer/Adofhaor was in the High Forest, but has been removed to a future time (something to do with the fey'ri of House Dlardrageth and other tainted gold elves of Siluvanede); I'm expecting NDAs on this one to be iron-clad.

4) From the same REALMS-L postings, I know that Myth Iliscar (sp?) is on Lantan; I seem to remember something about it being a flying mythal city, and that Lantan was where it crashed, not where it was built. If you can confirm or deny this, and hopefully give us a more precise location of its ruins, it would be greatly appreciated.

Many, many thanks to both of you for everything, Ed and THO.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 13 May 2010 :  03:05:51  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Ohhh, Jakk, you DO love charging right at NDAs in set-teeth challenges, don't you?
What a man . . .
Ahem. We'll see what this latest attempt yields...
Brimstone, Ed has sent me a reply of sorts to you, which is going to have to be a hint/tease for everyone else regarding ELMINSTER MUST DIE!:

I wouldn't be entirely astonished if someone who read to the end of ELMINSTER MUST DIE! learned a little more about those XXXXXs Elminster is, as you put it, "pondering over" in Chapter 1. Though I must add that there's a LOT more going on in the book than just that particular concern.


So saith Ed. Treading carefully, as usual . . .
love,
THO
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Brimstone
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Posted - 13 May 2010 :  03:14:27  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
Thanks THO..

Cause if El does what he is pondering to them, then the Realms better beware. The full fury of The Simbul would be a frightening sight to behold.

Red Wizards should be trembling right about now.

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Kyrene
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South Africa
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Posted - 13 May 2010 :  08:22:49  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ohhh, Jakk, you DO love charging right at NDAs in set-teeth challenges, don't you?

He is a little like Don Quixote in that regard, isn't he? Always tilting at NDAs for the [hope of the] greater good.

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I am a sexy, shoeless god of war!

The Sellplague began, for all intents and purposes, in the dominions of the Corporation. Greed murdered Good Design, unraveling common sense in the cosmos and destroying her dominion. At the same time, Sales Fears and Warcraft Envy happened into alignment. This cataclysmic coincidence led to upheaval, shaking apart the primeval order, opening up holes in wallets, and reshaping everything...
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore

Denmark
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Posted - 13 May 2010 :  23:50:35  Show Profile Send Nicolai Withander a Private Message
Hello ED and THO...

I was wondering about a theme that exists in almost any fantasy realm/world, and that it a Fountain of Youth, but I have never heard or read about anything similar in Faerūn? So does said fountain exist and if yes, then where?
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Elfinblade
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quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander

Hello ED and THO...

I was wondering about a theme that exists in almost any fantasy realm/world, and that it a Fountain of Youth, but I have never heard or read about anything similar in Faerūn? So does said fountain exist and if yes, then where?



I believe it's referred to as Potion of Longevity and most of the prideful nobles across Faerūn has probably had a sip or two from it
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Penknight
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Hello! I was wondering if in the Realms, there are rare colors of mithril and other metals like gold. I have a character that has a mithril shirt made of gold mithril, and was curious if this would exist in the Realms (and where, please), or if it would have to be found elsewhere on the planes. And where would a person find rose gold, white gold, etc? Have coins ever been made out of these different colors of gold by any kingdom? Thank you for your time.

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Kyrene
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Posted - 14 May 2010 :  10:04:52  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Penknight

Have coins ever been made out of these different colors of gold by any kingdom?

I know the Zentish "glory" (or "weeping wolf"; Power of Faerūn by Ed Greenwood, Eric L. Boyd) is made from a slightly reddish gold, but I'll allow Ed to add more...

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I am a sexy, shoeless god of war!

The Sellplague began, for all intents and purposes, in the dominions of the Corporation. Greed murdered Good Design, unraveling common sense in the cosmos and destroying her dominion. At the same time, Sales Fears and Warcraft Envy happened into alignment. This cataclysmic coincidence led to upheaval, shaking apart the primeval order, opening up holes in wallets, and reshaping everything...
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Sian
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Relatively easy question here ...

How far north do we have to go to get to Polar Circle ... Great Glacier?, Spine of the World? ... or?

what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month
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Ashe Ravenheart
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quote:
Originally posted by Sian

Relatively easy question here ...

How far north do we have to go to get to Polar Circle ... Great Glacier?, Spine of the World? ... or?


Dang, my FR Interactive Atlas hasn't been reinstalled since my laptop crashed. Wooly? You got yours up and running?

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Blueblade
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Posted - 14 May 2010 :  18:28:02  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Malcolm, I remember an early Milwaukee GenCon Ed-as-DM Realms charity game set in Shadowdale, where some minor NPCs were "out back" burning trash. If PCs were alert enough to notice WHAT they were burning, it went a long way toward the PCs solving the central mystery of the adventure.
Which () Ican't remember. I didn't play in the game, I just got to "sit in" and observe, which Ed allowed (for one thing, when players had to leave due to other events, real-life commitments or even just to go to the bathroom, an observer sometimes got to take over their character, even for just a few minutes).
So at least SOME folk of Shadowdale burn garbage.
BB
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