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Menelvagor
Senior Scribe

Israel
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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  21:04:39  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
Thank you so much, milady and Ed! These answers to my questions are as good as an Afikoman present! Which reminds me: Happy Passover!
Oh, and thanks to you too, Ashe. Of course, with the additional info, I can see it by myself.
Lastly, while I'm quite grateful for the information about Honor daggers, will we hear the story about Syrumstar's dagger tattoo, or is it NDA?

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5037 Posts

Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  21:07:06  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. I'm not sure. Ed didn't answer it right away, but I know he didn't "overlook" it. So it's either NDA or he's saving his answer for some reason. It might be a need to lore-check with someone else he knows is working on something . . .
In the fields of Realmslore, there are mysteries upon mysteries . . .
love,
THO
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Ashe Ravenheart
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USA
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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  21:14:09  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
Okay... bit of free time. Is THIS what her symbol looks like?

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Zandilar
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Australia
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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  23:52:15  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

I have two questions inspired by recent lore answers from Ed. :)

Firstly, how common are tattoos amongst elves? And how do elves apply them to the skin? (Magically? or more conventionally?) What kinds of inks do they use? Does this differ between races?

Secondly, regarding Cormyr...

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
In other words, Vangey is a “do anything to keep the realm strong” bad cop, and Laspeera is a “we are villains, not cops at all, whenever we break the rules, even if we do it to catch bad guys.” Laspeera thinks (rightly, from the point of view of a long line of monarchs and some of Vangey’s predecessors) that the Highknights or other personal agents of the reigning monarch are the only legitimate “outside the law” ways of keeping the Dragon Throne strong, and the far more powerful Wizards of War must stay lawful and act as a balance against the Highknights and other personal agents. She sees the Harpers as another useful part of this balance, whereas Vangey sees them as meddlesome enemies of the realm who should be frustrated, driven out, or even slain whenever it’s convenient to do so.



Where does Caladnei stand in this regard? Is she closer to Laspeera in attitude, or Vangy? And does Laspeera trust her once Vangy's gone?

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 01 Apr 2010 :  02:13:55  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, Ashe. Give me ten minutes or so to hack into Facebook (for some reason, it's blocked from the computer I'm at now . . . and Ed tells me he can't access it right now, either (the log-in page just freezes). I'll get back to you.
Ahhh, advanced technology...more like magic than ever.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5037 Posts

Posted - 01 Apr 2010 :  02:22:33  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. Zandilar, as it happens, both of your questions I can START to answer, because Ed's mentioned both of those topics in his notes, and in discussions with us (some of his players have talked a LOT about Vangerdahast and Azoun and Filfaeril and Caladnei and Laspeera with Ed, over the years).

Among elves, tattoos vary widely in how they're done. The "classic" old method among most elves was: berry-based dyes, burned into the skin with fire (on the fire-heated/half-melted needles of certain forest conifers). In more recent centuries, far more precise minor magics (cantrip level "hand fire" or "finger fire") replaced the physically-generated fires, and augmented the berry-based dyes ("inks"). Some elves even used modified spell inks. In the last few centuries, all sorts of elves have used all sorts of techniques.
Which DOESN'T mean that lots of elves have tattoos. Elven tattoos tend to be rare to unusual, small, and of flowing adornment in design, not " I love X" messages or large pictures - - and NEVER appear as multiple "skin as canvas" large-coverage art on an elven individual. I asked Ed to give me a better idea of the "look" of elven tattoos, and he referenced the "around one eye" adornments of the American boxer Mike Tyson. (And Ed has met Von D of HIGH VOLTAGE TATTOO fame, and so is visually familiar with all sorts of tattoos.)
Back in a moment with a starter reply re. Laspeera and Caladnei...
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 01 Apr 2010 :  02:30:24  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi. Back now (little real-world interruption there).
In the meantime, I've pinged Ed and he entirely supports and concurs with this answer of mine, calling it "spot on" - - note the tense of my words (that's due to where our personal Realms campaign planning is heading, right now):

Caladnei is almost identical to Laspeera in attitude, though (being an outlander) she's a trifle less patient than Laspeera with folk who try to use long-standing Cormyrean tradition against her (as opposed to laws).
She and Laspeera have fallen into trusting each other absolutely, a trust begun because Laspeera was perfectly willing to accept Caladnei being more ruthless and less lawful than she herself was, recognizing that the Royal Magician sometimes has to be (as the "last defender of the Dragon Throne").
Their trust has deepened because the two women have used magic to "meet" minds extensively on several occasions, sharing thoughts and seeing for themselves what the other person's mind is really like (and what they really think). It's more naked than most people ever care to get with another individual, and they've done it enough to really KNOW each other. So their trust really has become absolute.


There. So saith me (backed up by Ed).
Wheee! Now, to tackle Facebook again...
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 01 Apr 2010 :  02:38:23  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Ashe: Yes! Ed got to your Facebook illo first, and tells me:

Perfect, except that the downstem ends in a point, and both "tails" of the Rs do, too. Also, the tails, instead of being "straight diagonals," should curve away from the downstem in smooth arcs - - something like the tails of the most recent logo of the (original) British version of the TV programme ANTIQUES ROADSHOW. (That logo is seen in an opening sequence in which the camera pans from a stately home lawn crowded with experts and queuing antique owners up into a sunlit, few-puffy-clouds blue sky, and the logo, animated, appears against the sun.)


So there you have it. From Ed and from Ashe (nice, swift work! Bravo!).
love,
THO
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Menelvagor
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Israel
352 Posts

Posted - 01 Apr 2010 :  07:50:24  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
Why can't I be a facebook hacker? Which is my way of saying I can't access the artwork either. It tells me "This content is currently unavailable
The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page." Are you trying to correct it, Ashe? Or is it something else?
Also, another question for Ed: How do mages choose their personal symbol? Are there any rules (such as not taking the symbol of another mage, even if he's deceased)? What is the meaning of the symbol? What does Syrumstar's symbol (the double R) mean?

EDIT: And don't we deserve some more teasers? How about this: In celebration of the First of April, you'll give us several teasers, which some will be a trick, and some will be real.

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."

Edited by - Menelvagor on 01 Apr 2010 07:53:37
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Kyrene
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South Africa
648 Posts

Posted - 01 Apr 2010 :  12:25:09  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. ANOTHER missive from Ed, who has taken a break from his taxes. This time, he replies to Kyrenes' query:
.
.
.
So saith Ed. Medical expert of the Realms, at your service.
love,
THO


My lasting thanks, and "sloshtomach" has been added to the 'Realmspeak' list (I should be able to update again within a day or so). Bringing me to another of those place adjective vs. place adjective queries:
I know "Turmian" is used for the collective folk of Turmish (or at least it is in the FRCS), but upon scouring The Vilhon Reach (by Jim Butler and Ed) last night, I came accross "Turmishan".

Does "Turmian" also extend to Turmian work, study, beliefs, and customs, and to items of their making?
Is "Turmishan" just a more archiac version of "Turmian" that somehow fell out of favour (like the Luskar/Luskanite example you explained last time), or was "Turmishan" simply replaced by "Turmian" in printed material about Turmish? The reason I ask is that it is the saying "[As] Square as a Turmian/Turmishan's beard" that occurs in both books (FRCS and VR/VR-PG) that has me thinking it's most likely the latter.

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Hoondatha
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USA
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Posted - 01 Apr 2010 :  13:26:51  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
Don't forget there's also, IIRC, Turmite, which is mildly perjorative. Alias uses it to be insulting in Azure Bonds.

Which reminds me: have we picked Ed's brain for other mildly derogatory terms for nations/regions/races/distinct groups (ie: akin to real-world "redneck" or "hick" in level of nastiness)? If we haven't, can Ed share some? If we have, can someone point to where it is, and then can Ed, umm, share some more?

Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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arry
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
313 Posts

Posted - 01 Apr 2010 :  16:34:26  Show Profile Send arry a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Ed tells me the name of another Suzailan painter of note: Emmaera Drounlamn. This former coin-lass and tavern dancer now paints risque scenes of unclad ladies (akin to real-world Vargas or Olivia pin-up art) for far lower prices than a top-rank "toast of the nobles" limner. On the other hand, she paints on thin boards (that have a tendency to warp or rot, with the passing years), and many of her paintings are almost identical to many, many of her other paintings.
Ed promises more details when his taxes are done.
love to all,
THO



This made me wonder what other painters use as the foundation of a picture. Board, canvas or other things not available in the real world? Does this vary by region in the Realms?
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sfdragon
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 01 Apr 2010 :  16:35:19  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message
I havea Raunchy question, yes it is raunchy , just not dirty.
what was the worst smell your players ever had to ahve describe to them?

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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Magister's GAmbit
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arry
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Apr 2010 :  16:42:17  Show Profile Send arry a Private Message
What fascinating lore about 'honour daggers' Lady Hooded! Do you have any information about other hidden weapons (used by male or female) in the Realms?
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 01 Apr 2010 :  17:05:09  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
sfdragon, that's an easy one. In Ed's "home" Realms campaign, we found the dragon's lair "atop" Gauntulgrym (accessed from a crevasse high in the crag, and descending down into the dungeon). The dragon lairing there had died from poisoned weapon attacks launched by another band of adventurers. It had suffered dragon diarrhea, then vomited helplessly and copiously...and then died, its body slowly rotting, putreying, and sagging down into the chamber beneath its lair...along with its spew and wastes.
We slid down a dwarven drainage chute into that room....

I gag, just remembering Ed's description of it...
love,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 01 Apr 2010 17:05:23
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Ashe Ravenheart
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USA
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Posted - 01 Apr 2010 :  17:18:00  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ashe: Yes! Ed got to your Facebook illo first, and tells me:

Perfect, except that the downstem ends in a point, and both "tails" of the Rs do, too. Also, the tails, instead of being "straight diagonals," should curve away from the downstem in smooth arcs - - something like the tails of the most recent logo of the (original) British version of the TV programme ANTIQUES ROADSHOW. (That logo is seen in an opening sequence in which the camera pans from a stately home lawn crowded with experts and queuing antique owners up into a sunlit, few-puffy-clouds blue sky, and the logo, animated, appears against the sun.)


So there you have it. From Ed and from Ashe (nice, swift work! Bravo!).
love,
THO



Ahh... more like THIS?

And, Menelvagor, it might be that I don't have you friended... the link above should work since it's on my twitpic account.

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Menelvagor
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Israel
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Posted - 01 Apr 2010 :  19:14:39  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
Thanks Ashe. Beautiful pic, I love it. I hope it's accurate.
More questions regarding elves: Did the House of Auglamyr survive the Weeping War? If so, what important information can you tell us about it?
I assume elves have tapestries/paintings depicting events that have happened in the past, including some of their ancestors/kin. But do they have tapestries/paintings of what could be considered traumatic events? For example, would the House of Auglamyr (assuming it survived) have a tapestry/painting of Syrumstar fighting Malimshaer? (I'm planning for my next campaign to get involved with the elves, especially regarding Myth Drannor, and I want to use these elements in the game)

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 01 Apr 2010 :  21:18:57  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Two things:

Ashe, that second version of Symrustar's rune is PERFECT. Thank you!

Menelvagor, Ed says House Auglamyr did survive the Weeping War.

More later,
love,
THO
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The Red Walker
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Any truth to the talk that Circle of Skulls will be the last of the "Ed presents Waterdeep" series?

A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -

John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Jakk
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Posted - 02 Apr 2010 :  03:48:06  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. To Jakk, this time, Ed makes partial reply:

Re. this: "2) Will we learn anything about these pyramids in the near future?"
Ed sends to me this:


I doubt it, I'm afraid. It's possible, but highly unlikely. Other matters are on front burners than elder lore of the Realms . . . unless that lore flowers again in the post-Spellplague Realms.


So saith Ed. Confirming what most of us probably expected, yes?
love,
THO



Expected, yes... pleased with, no. Any chance of this being one of the NDAs that gets pried loose, Ed? Aside from that (remote) chance, I have a simple yes-or-no question for you, if possible: has the Spellplague necessitated any change in the published Realms' version of those pyramids from your original intent for them? Even if so, I'm guessing the NDA on your original notes would still hold up...

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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Brimstone
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Posted - 02 Apr 2010 :  06:28:33  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

Any truth to the talk that Circle of Skulls will be the last of the "Ed presents Waterdeep" series?


Say it isn't so...

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Menelvagor
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Israel
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Posted - 02 Apr 2010 :  07:41:59  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
Another question, this time asked by one of my players: Do keyhole necklines exist in the Realms? If so, what are they called and where can they be found? Are there cultures/races who do not allow such necklines?
*sigh* I'm trying to forge an adventure tying into the Chosen, the Weeping War and restored Myth Drannor, and all my players care about is fashion...

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."
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gomez
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Netherlands
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Posted - 02 Apr 2010 :  09:50:34  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

Say it isn't so...



Well... while Waterdeep is an interesting enough place, I do think we may at some point want focus on other locations as well.
Ed Greenwood presents Silverymoon/Cormyr/Myth Drannor/The Moonsea/The Dalelands?
I guess there is little chance of that...

Menelvagor: you can always combine the two (fashion and story). I.e. in one of my plot arcs, set in Cormanthor, a rather unassuming necklace is actually a key that triggers certain portals under Semberholme when worn by the proper person. In my case, the wearer must be someone from a certain elven bloodline, but other keys with less stringent requirements may exist. The portals concerned lead to unpleasant places, but, especially around Myth Drannor, portals can go anywhere or unlock any secrets. so... a keyhole neckline as a key to a gate...?
As an aside, SPEC1-3 Ghosts of the Past, a RPGA adventure, is set in restored Myth Drannor. It is originally set in the year of the Ageless One, though works in any year after Ilsevele Miritar became coronal.

Gomez
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Brimstone
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Posted - 02 Apr 2010 :  11:06:03  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
I guess thats a valid point.

I still would like for WotC to do some DDI Backdrop Articles on Waterdeep.

One on each Ward!

Maybe Gomez you could do a series of Backdrop Articles on the Dales, hey?

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Snowblood
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Australia
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Posted - 02 Apr 2010 :  15:48:46  Show Profile Send Snowblood a Private Message
Dear Ed & THO, across the river Lis from Cormanthor, where the Flooded Forest now is, what was the name of the Elven Kingdom there???? Who were the rulers and what happened to them?

Oh and who was the last Vyshaan Coronal & how did their rule end???

Lastly at whyich end of the Moon Sea valley was Braceldaur and was is a single city state like Evereska or a realm with vassal cities etc...?

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