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Jakk
Great Reader

Canada
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Posted - 29 Mar 2010 :  19:42:23  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by createvmind

Which leads to wonder if any of Mystryl's Chosen still live pre-spellplague?

The Lady Hooded One, ever the mistress of mysteries, once told us re: the fate of some of Mystryl's Chosen:-

" ... you tread into darkly perilous ground, approaching (gasp) a secret of the Realms that has been sitting in plain sight for lo these many years, just waiting for a brilliant scribe to pounce upon.

Heh-heh. Which is a grand way of saying Ed won't answer you directly. You'll have to wait (for some time) for a rather more public answer.

Heh heh heh.

love,
THO"



This post immediately grabbed my attention. Upon reading this for the third time, I was struck by a possibility... or three. (1) Halaster (we know what happened to Sammaster, and now that I see the names in print so close together, I'm struck by their similarity, but that's another matter...) -- maybe, as one of Mystryl's Chosen, his madness was induced by the death of his goddess in the Year of Sundered Webs. (2) Larloch - the big question here being, did he become a lich in order to avoid Halaster's madness, or did he lose his status as a Chosen upon becoming a lich earlier? (3) Ioulaum - this one's wide open.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5043 Posts

Posted - 29 Mar 2010 :  19:49:37  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. Heh. Heh. NDAs are frustrating things from the inside, too. As it happens, I know far more than I can tell.
As for Ed, he knows LIBRARIES full of lore he can't tell. Imagine HIS frustration.
I wonder if he'll be able to cajole a loosening of NDAs at GenCon this year, to let slip a few hints and whispers...
love,
THO
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Jakk
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Canada
2165 Posts

Posted - 29 Mar 2010 :  20:01:37  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One:
or a scene depicting any current royalty or the immediate parents of current royalty doing something humiliating (unclad, on their knees, being flogged or engaging in sexual acts in which they are the recipient rather than the dominant, for instance) would be considered in the worst of taste

Would that imply that if the current royalty were the dominant in this sexual act, it would not be 'in the worst of taste'?



This brings up an old question... is the identity of the author of "Filfaeril Bound and Willing" (I believe that's the title) still unguessed?

Edit: Re: THO's response: I'll take the staccato chuckle to indicate confirmation on three counts, thank you. No more need be said (or, likely, can be at this point... hopefully this is not a permanent state, however).

Edit: I share your hope for a loosening of NDAs... particularly around the Cormyr Lineage and, now, this great secret sitting in plain sight... I *do* wish I had my full lore library accessible to me at this moment...

Can Ed say approximately how *much* time we'll have to wait? Or is this dependent on publisher plans unconfirmed (or even unmade) at this point?

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 29 Mar 2010 20:10:46
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 29 Mar 2010 :  22:50:04  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Jakk, the author of "Filfaeril, Bound and Willing" is indeed still unguessed.
Yes, I believe you've interpreted my chuckles correctly.
And the NDA loosening depends on plans not yet finalized, and convincing arguments not yet put.
soft warm love,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 29 Mar 2010 22:51:30
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 29 Mar 2010 :  22:57:28  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Ed tells me the name of another Suzailan painter of note: Emmaera Drounlamn. This former coin-lass and tavern dancer now paints risque scenes of unclad ladies (akin to real-world Vargas or Olivia pin-up art) for far lower prices than a top-rank "toast of the nobles" limner. On the other hand, she paints on thin boards (that have a tendency to warp or rot, with the passing years), and many of her paintings are almost identical to many, many of her other paintings.
Ed promises more details when his taxes are done.
love to all,
THO

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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 29 Mar 2010 :  23:44:12  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Jakk, the author of "Filfaeril, Bound and Willing" is indeed still unguessed.
Yes, I believe you've interpreted my chuckles correctly.
And the NDA loosening depends on plans not yet finalized, and convincing arguments not yet put.
soft warm love,
THO


Thank you for all of that, milady... particularly the soft warm love, digital though it may be.

One last question on these matters, one for which I don't expect a direct answer (as I suspect NDAs will make one impossible anyway): to expand on my previous musings, here's what I think happened: Ioulaum saw the Fall coming (and survived the death of Mystryl by his transformation into his current form), Larloch survived Mystryl's death due to his transformation to a lich (which may or may not have been his plan), and Halaster went mad due to the death of his goddess. Just wink if I'm on the right track with this.

My question is a simple one: Is this the entirety of the "secret of the Realms that has been sitting in plain sight for lo these many years, just waiting for a brilliant scribe to pounce upon"... or is there more to it?

A second question comes to mind as well... if there is more to it, where in published material do we look for the rest of it? Mention of a title or titles is sufficient; I don't expect all of my detective work to be done for me, but it was interesting to go back over the old lore and track down the Spellplague predictors.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 29 Mar 2010 23:46:30
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 30 Mar 2010 :  00:21:49  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. Ed says I'm not allowed to wink, and he doesn't think I could manage two-thirds of a wink anyway.
And no, this matter is NOT that secret that's been sitting in plain sight.
Bwoohahahahaha, and so forth.
love,
THO
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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 30 Mar 2010 :  00:25:41  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
OOOH! I think I have it! (And it took about ten minutes for this page to load, so my spontaneity is somewhat manufactured...)
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

And here's one of the Ed tidbits... I particularly like this one because not only was it something that just randomly occurred to me one day, but because it's also an interesting angle:

quote:
To Wooly Rupert: when you post sentences like this one: “And though I can't think of any evidence to support it, it's not impossible that part of what Larloch is doing is containing something...” be aware that you are (ahem) VERY perceptive.




So... does this comment have anything to do with my previous speculation, or am I chasing wild geese again?

Edit: Apparently it's the wild geese, given your recent post; danged long wait times... hrmm... two-thirds of a wink... now I just have to puzzle out which two-thirds... This is fun... and I think I've figured out which two-thirds, but I'm not going to put forth any further speculation. Meh, who am I kidding...

Addendum: Actually, it should be fairly obvious to anyone who has the lore and does some research (like myself) or who knows the lore (like I used to, when I had time to read everything a dozen times over)... Larloch was transformed due to his own contingencies when the Weave failed with the Fall of Karsus, and so it must be my speculations on Halaster and Ioulaum that are correct.

I have one... er, two more questions that probably can't be answered by more than a simple "Yes" or "No" (if even that):

1) Have the origins and purpose of the pyramids under Ascore in the published Realms changed significantly from Ed's original intent?

2) Will we learn anything about these pyramids in the near future?

That's all; I'll go back to seething quietly over the injustice of bottled-up lore now. Well, no, not really... I'll probably just surf the other forums for a while, then finish tracking down my income tax stuff.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 30 Mar 2010 05:20:29
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Uzzy
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Posted - 30 Mar 2010 :  18:39:31  Show Profile  Visit Uzzy's Homepage Send Uzzy a Private Message
Hello Ed and THO! I've got a couple of questions about an area I'm hoping to set my new game in.

Just after the War of the Devil Dragon, in 1370/1371 DR, how badly damaged was Tilverton and the land surrounding it?

What sort of population did Tilverton and the surrounding area possess just before that war, and what natural resources/trade goods was the area known for?

Are there any notable ruins, dungeons or other famous landmarks in the area as well?

Thanks in advance for any reply.
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 30 Mar 2010 :  19:06:57  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
From GHotR:

quote:
Mirtul 27, 1372
Aware of Cormyr’s preparations for an assault on the City of Shade, the Shadovars gather an army and march on Tilverton. During the ensuing battle, Vangerdahast releases a potent magical weapon against the Shade army. The interaction of this weapon with the Shadow Weave releases a spectacular surge of energy that utterly destroys Tilverton. All that remains of the city is a dark, concave space filled with shadows and flitting regions of deeper darkness.


I'd say that makes it pretty good for a 'retaking' as planned in Kingmaker.

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Menelvagor
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Israel
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Posted - 30 Mar 2010 :  19:19:06  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk:
Erm... if by "current" you mean "between 1375 and 1385"... it should be in Myth Drannor... part of the Cormyr/Shadowdale/Anauroch mega-adventure trilogy is the return of the Warblade to Myth Drannor. The Artblade, on the other hand, is where we slam headlong into that big NDA wall...
<snip>
Edit: By way of another question for Ed, about the Srinshee in light of the above answer... I'm also interested in what she's been up to since disappearing with the Rulers' Blade in 666 DR... is there anything else you can share?

I meant the Artblade, of course. I was confused by the fact that getting back the Warblade is no fun - Fflar has Keryvian, and why would anyone want to replace him as Arms-Major? In fact, in my campaign I changed it so they would recover the Artblade (it makes more sense to replace Araevin, especially as he's not there from 1380-?), which caused my confusion.
And I believe I've asked about the Srinshee's activities as well, and the answer was: NDA (big surprise).

Well, let's get beck to our favorite pasttime of watching me slam into more NDA's, although I'm certain this question has been asked:
In Elminster In Hell, El shows Nergal a memory set in 1371 where
the new Mystra (Midnight) strips away all the 'great secrets he holds, secrets of her power'. Is there a chance we can be told what these secrets were, or an example of what they might be? And what was the effect on El? Could they possibly be restored? Might they appear in Elminster Must Die (I'm absolutely sure that one won't be answered)?

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."

Edited by - Menelvagor on 30 Mar 2010 19:20:39
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saethone
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Posted - 30 Mar 2010 :  20:21:26  Show Profile  Visit saethone's Homepage  Send saethone an AOL message Send saethone a Private Message
Hello,

I have a question about the Elfblades of Cormanthor - the Warblade, Artblade, and Ruler's (or Crown) Blade, and I was directed here to ask. I know that they were created at the behest of the Coronal ~-4000 DR, but how were they made? They are all sentient weapons, were their sentiences imbued from living elves, or magical created? And if they were living elves, who were they?

Thanks!
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Kyrene
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South Africa
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Posted - 30 Mar 2010 :  20:54:00  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
Ed and/or THO and/or others,
quote:
Aurora’s Whole Realms Catalogue - Wines and Ales
Unless one dwells in Vaasa, the High Moor, or the glad halls of Evermeet, water consumption has proven consistently dangerous to health, as well as producing what the dwarfs term “sloshtomach.”
What is this “sloshtomach” and is it a dwarven Common or common Dwarven term?

Thanks in advance for your replies.

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I am a sexy, shoeless god of war!

The Sellplague began, for all intents and purposes, in the dominions of the Corporation. Greed murdered Good Design, unraveling common sense in the cosmos and destroying her dominion. At the same time, Sales Fears and Warcraft Envy happened into alignment. This cataclysmic coincidence led to upheaval, shaking apart the primeval order, opening up holes in wallets, and reshaping everything...
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Joran Nobleheart
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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  00:03:35  Show Profile  Visit Joran Nobleheart's Homepage Send Joran Nobleheart a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by saethone

Hello,

I have a question about the Elfblades of Cormanthor - the Warblade, Artblade, and Ruler's (or Crown) Blade, and I was directed here to ask. I know that they were created at the behest of the Coronal ~-4000 DR, but how were they made? They are all sentient weapons, were their sentiences imbued from living elves, or magical created? And if they were living elves, who were they?

Thanks!

Oh, that's a fine question, and I'm interested to see what the answer is.

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Menelvagor
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Israel
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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  15:10:03  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
A few more quick questions about Chosen:
In Elminster in Myth Drannor, when Syrustar is dying and becomes a Chosen, she says her life is ending. El answers that one life is slipping away, "but not all that is Syrumstar". Now it may be simply that I misunderstand the phrasing, but to me this implies that not 'all that was Syrumstar' remained, and some part was gone when she became Chosen. If that is so, what part? Why? And is this customary for Chosen? If not, what did El mean?
Lastly, about Laeral: In Blackstaff, we see a flashback where Khelben saves her by awakening her, making her realize she is Chosen so she uses Silver Fire. But Laeral was brought up by Elminster. And in Dark Talons Forbear Thee, it seems all three (Dove, Storm and Laeral) were aware of their nature as Chosen from childhood. What is the answer to this seeming contradiction?

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  15:48:56  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Menelvagor, I bring you Ed's replies to your queries, thus:


Laeral's mind was affected by several "attacks" over the years (the best-known being the Crown of Horns/the mind of the god Myrkul; others remain as yet unrevealed, but were part of the endless proxy-battles between various deities; many gods of the Realms were strongly opposed to other gods having Chosen or the equivalents) that caused her to forget her status as a Chosen at various times.
BLACKSTAFF shows us one of her "reawakenings;" there were others.
And yes, Dove, Storm, and Laeral were aware of their "special" status (though not everything it entailed, as that changed over the passing years) in childhood, as shown in DARK TALONS FORBEAR THEE.
And in ELMINSTER IN MYTH DRANNOR, Symrustar IS dying, and knows it, and says so; Mystra is "rescuing" her soul/sentience/essence for a new existence as of Mystra's servants. In the conversation you mention, Elminster is referring to Symrustar losing her body, but not her essential self, telling her that the death of her body won't be the end of HER.
Things might not always be clear to the reader, but remember that these are instances of crisis, wherein the characters involved are highly emotional, and may not always express themselves as fully and clearly as, say, a teacher instructing students.


So saith Ed. Who, taxes set aside for a moment, is hard at work on something else Realms-related as I post this.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  15:53:44  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. To Jakk, this time, Ed makes partial reply:

Re. this: "2) Will we learn anything about these pyramids in the near future?"
Ed sends to me this:


I doubt it, I'm afraid. It's possible, but highly unlikely. Other matters are on front burners than elder lore of the Realms . . . unless that lore flowers again in the post-Spellplague Realms.


So saith Ed. Confirming what most of us probably expected, yes?
love,
THO
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Menelvagor
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Israel
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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  16:24:18  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
Thank you so much for the answers, Ed and milady. actually the answer about Syrumstar made me very happy. Because this quote: "Mystra is "rescuing" her soul/sentience/essence for a new existence as of Mystra's servants. In the conversation you mention, Elminster is referring to Symrustar losing her body, but not her essential self, telling her that the death of her body won't be the end of HER." implies/suggests (at least to me) Syrumstar's continued existence even after the Battle of Shadusk Glade.
EDIT: Another quick question about Syrumstar: What was the shape of the symbol she had on her stomach after being Chosen? I assume you couldn't describe it in the book for fear of accusations of inspiring demon worship, etc. but can you tell us here what was its' shape, or a more detailed description?

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."

Edited by - Menelvagor on 31 Mar 2010 17:04:17
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  18:39:32  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. I bring Menelvagor a swift reply from Ed:

The symbol on Symrustar's tummy is twofold: a personal mage-rune she'd used in the past, augmented by seven silver stars of Mystra.
For the rune, imagine two capital letter "R"s drawn back-to-back, with the one on the left flipped so its tail curves to the 5 o'clock position (instead of the 7 o'clock position of the tail of the unflipped "R"). The backstem or downstem of both Rs is shared, and its top, where the vertical stroke turns to curve outward and form the top of both Rs, is where Symrustar's belly button (a neat, centered, deep "innie") is located. Now extend that shared center vertical downstem twice as long as it should be, and you have the symbol. On her skin, it appears as a very deep blue, almost black.
Add the stars: identical many-pointed stars of silver, with the "long" points being vertical and the second-longest points being horizontal, all the rest of the "rays" being shorter, that overlie (are silver on top of the dark blue of the symbol) the rune. These seven stars are located as follows: one each at the top and bottom of the downstem, one at its intersection (where the lower arcs of the loops of both Rs touch the downstem), one at the end of both tails, and centered in both of the loops: thus, seven in all.


So saith Ed. Who hopes that word-picture is clear. Got it, all scribes?
Symrustar also has a tiny vertical point-down dagger tattoo, entirely "secular" in nature (non-magical), on the nape of her neck, that has a personal origin rather than a political, family, or faith-based one. Ask her to tell you about it some day.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  18:52:02  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. ANOTHER missive from Ed, who has taken a break from his taxes. This time, he replies to Kyrenes' query:
"Ed and/or THO and/or others,
quote:
Aurora’s Whole Realms Catalogue - Wines and Ales
Unless one dwells in Vaasa, the High Moor, or the glad halls of Evermeet, water consumption has proven consistently dangerous to health, as well as producing what the dwarfs term “sloshtomach.”
What is this “sloshtomach” and is it a dwarven Common or common Dwarven term?
Thanks in advance for your replies."
Ed says:

"Sloshtomach" is a bloated, faintly nauseous condition of long-term and cumulative water retention, wherein repeated drinking of water makes the stomach increasingly distended. The term is "dwarven Common;" that is, created by dwarves and added to the Common tongue through persistent usage.
The condition is quite rare, and is caused by tiny mold spores in some water sources that affect no creature native to the area (they grow up "used to them"), no one who drinks boiled water or water that's been carried in leather skins or oaken barrels for long (the spores react with wood and hide enough to neutralize these effects), and no one who consumes oils of any sort (including those still in raw vegetables) at the same occasion of consumption. Even among those who aren't protected by any of these factors, sloshtomach occurs rarely - - but dwarves and gnomes ARE more susceptible to it than other races, and consuming certain alcoholic drinkables seem to exascerbate it, so lots of dwarves "fear" it more than they really should, and tend to avoid drinking water whenever they can have treated water (ale) or stronger liquor instead. (Hence the mention of a widely-shared dwarven attitude in AURORA's.) It should be noted that this is almost never debilitating or seriously damaging; it affects mood more than anything else, as a dwarf who feels vaguely ill also tends to be more than vaguely irritated with the world around.


So saith Ed. Medical expert of the Realms, at your service.
love,
THO
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Brimstone
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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  19:07:08  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
So what do Dwarves in the Realms call the 'Runs' THO?

Sorry I couldn't resist asking. Failed a will save...

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Menelvagor
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Israel
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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  20:15:15  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
'Symrustar also has a tiny vertical point-down dagger tattoo, entirely "secular" in nature (non-magical), on the nape of her neck, that has a personal origin rather than a political, family, or faith-based one. Ask her to tell you about it some day.'
Oooh! I'm asking! What's it about? Might it have any connection with those Honor Daggers I've queried about in the past (namely, why they're kept near the women's honor/virtue)? Or is it something else entirely?
Also, I'm not sure I understand Syrumstar's personal symbol. "with the one on the left flipped so its tail curves to the 5 o'clock position" - would that be our left, or her left? Is there any chance someone can draw/create such an image? If they're back-to-back, wouldn't the one on our left have to be flipped, anyway? And if so, wouldn't it's tail be in the 7 o'clock position?

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  20:28:13  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor


Also, I'm not sure I understand Syrumstar's personal symbol. "with the one on the left flipped so its tail curves to the 5 o'clock position" - would that be our left, or her left? Is there any chance someone can draw/create such an image? If they're back-to-back, wouldn't the one on our left have to be flipped, anyway? And if so, wouldn't it's tail be in the 7 o'clock position?



The closest image I could find online (since I'm at work) is this. The R's are upside-down, but you should get the drift...

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  20:41:07  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. I bring once more the words of Ed of the Greenwood, this time in response to SOME of the Knights of Myth Drannor trilogy-era Cormyr questions posed by Menelvagor back on January 19th (Page 5 of this thread).


Menelvagor: “And why did Aerilee go back to Silverymoon after what seems like a few weeks at the most (unless there's more time than I thought between the end of Swords of Dragonfire and the beginning of The Sword Never Sleeps)?”

Ed: Aerilee was an envoy from Silverymoon: by definition, an envoy is an “ambassador on a short state visit,” representing that city-state to Cormyr.


Menelvagor: “How many female Highknights are there in all of Cormyr during Azoun's time? What is their percentage of all the Highknights? And why does it seem that the two seen in the trilogy have both slept with Azoun? How many of the female Highknights have slept with Azoun?”

Ed: The number of Highknights was never very high, though it varies from date to date (because it’s a dangerous job with a hire mortality rate; they’re the James Bond-style “not-so-secret agents” of the Crown), and therefore the strength of female Highknights also varies. At times, there were less than a dozen. The percentage of female to male Highknights was usually 5 to 10 percent female (usually closer to 5). It seems as if the two seen in the trilogy have both slept with Azoun because they HAVE slept with Azoun. It’s one way of getting noticed or better-known to the King, and increasing his trust in you, after all - - and you don’t become a Highknight at all if you don’t deeply love Cormyr and its ruling family. As far as my records have it, only two other female Highknights have slept with Azoun, out of them all (and Azoun reigned for a long time, and during his lengthy reign there were over 120 female Highknights). No, he DOESN’T sleep with them as some sort of initiation ritual or test!


Menelvagor: “What exactly was the relationship between Vangey and Laspeera during this time? She seems not to completely trust him, although he trusts her? Why is that?”

Ed: Laspeera is the motherly second-in-command of the War Wizards, strict but just, and loved and respected by most War Wizards and many courtiers. She is NOT Vangey’s lover nor Azoun’s, and never has been, though she has “mothered” them both (held them, kissed them, comforted them, talked to them on many occasions and kept their secrets, even seen to their wounds). Vangey has covertly tested Laspeera’s loyalty on a number of occasions, and never found it lacking; he regards her as one of the few truly competent Wizards of War, whose judgement he can trust absolutely.
Laspeera, however, DOESN’T trust Vangey absolutely, because of two things: she can see how his long use of near-absolute power is corrupting him (he increasingly sees his opinions and desires for Cormyr as being THE ONLY RIGHT ways and future for the realm, and is less and less willing to entertain the views of others, and he increasingly sees the end as justifying the means: he can trample on ALL rights, laws, and personal feelings and aspirations as he manipulates everyone within reach to get his own way), and because she knows his loyalty is to the Dragon Throne and the stability of the kingdom, NOT to the Obarskyrs or a particular monarch (such as Azoun IV).
Laspeera believes that the Wizards of War must serve the ruling monarch of the day first and foremost, curbing him/her only when they trample on laws and rights (or avoid trampling only by passing new laws that “go too far”) and that no one person can or should decide the best future for the realm, or run roughshod over what is rightful getting there. Nobles and commoners may break what laws they can get away with to get what they want, but the government, with its vast rights and military and magical muscle, MUST hold itself to a higher standard.
In other words, Vangey is a “do anything to keep the realm strong” bad cop, and Laspeera is a “we are villains, not cops at all, whenever we break the rules, even if we do it to catch bad guys.” Laspeera thinks (rightly, from the point of view of a long line of monarchs and some of Vangey’s predecessors) that the Highknights or other personal agents of the reigning monarch are the only legitimate “outside the law” ways of keeping the Dragon Throne strong, and the far more powerful Wizards of War must stay lawful and act as a balance against the Highknights and other personal agents. She sees the Harpers as another useful part of this balance, whereas Vangey sees them as meddlesome enemies of the realm who should be frustrated, driven out, or even slain whenever it’s convenient to do so.



So saith Ed. Who will tackle more, he promises, when he has the time.
love,
THO
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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 :  20:49:11  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
You're right about Symrustar's symbol, Menelvagor. Ed switched to describing how it looked to HER, looking down at herself, halfway through, when he should have stayed with the viewpoint he started out with (yours and mine, if we were standing in front of Symrustar staring at her somehow bare stomach - - which is VERY flat, by the way - - and somehow surviving ).
So, staying with "our" viewpoint: Yes, there are two joined Rs, the curving tail of the "usual" one in the 5 o'clock position, and the curving tail of the flipped one in the 7 o'clock position.

And her nape-of-neck dagger has nothing to do with honor daggers, which are a way of defending a woman's honor by giving her a deadly little dagger with which to defend herself against rape, that's normally hidden under clothing but handy if anything gets torn away. (Yes, such a weapon can be used against a woman by an attacker who gets to one first, but part of the "art" of honor daggers is concealing their true nature, and sheathing them in places where they won't be immediately spotted or recognized, such as making their hilts garter-buckles, and their blades hidden behind the garters.) This information comes from Ed's notes AND campaign experience (we Knights have examined the corpses of more than a few murder victims, down in-game years of play).
love,
THO
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