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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 03 Mar 2010 :  16:03:03  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Oh, and Wooly? Sage?
You can share me, you know. There's enough of me . . .

love (yes, LOVE),
THO
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You should know me well enough by now, milady. I don't share with anybody.

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Kyrene
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Posted - 03 Mar 2010 :  18:31:12  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
Ed and/or THO and/or others,

While researching for stuff to add to the Realmspeak list I have (perhaps foolhardily) decided to champion, I came across this little gem:
quote:
Realmslore: Broadcryers of Waterdeep, Part Four by Ed Greenwood

Like the "gilded broadsheets" of the rich and noble, the devout broadsheets tend to cost three nibs to a shard per issue.

My question is thus: is a "nib" a copper piece and a "shard" a silver?

Thanks in advance for your replies.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 03 Mar 2010 :  18:44:51  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Kyrene, you've got it exactly right: a nib is a copper piece and a shard is a silver piece, in Waterdeep throughout the 1300s (see under "Coinage" in the 3rd Edition FRCS baseline tome, and many earlier sources).

Oh, and I have another ELMINSTER MUST DIE! tease from Ed:

At least two iconic monsters from the earliest days of D&D appear, albeit briefly, and two more are referenced. (And I don't mean humans, elves, dwarves, etc., or undead.)

Boy, Ed's giving us some politico-speak. As in, saying much but really saying very little.
Sigh.
love to all,
THO
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 03 Mar 2010 :  18:53:07  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
Mmmm.... Flumph-y

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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sfdragon
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Posted - 03 Mar 2010 :  21:22:23  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message
I have a very odd question for Ed Greenwood, about Elminster Must Die..... but it would bee the strange NDA question he would ever been asked, anyway THO, thank you for the answer; and pass on my thanks to mr. Greenwood.
SFD: who eagerly wats for Ed's next book...... and the one after that.

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Posted - 04 Mar 2010 :  01:54:08  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

(Don't worry, scribes. I will get some proper Realmslore replies out of him, too. It's not going to be solid teasing for five-and-a-bit months. Promise.)

love,
THO


I think we could learn to enjoy 5 months of teasing from you THO. Wouldn't it make reading the book THAT MUCH BETTER?

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 04 Mar 2010 :  02:24:51  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Ah, such compliments. You'll turn this gal's head.
(Or my tail, if you prefer. )
Ed tells me he's deep in planning his NEXT Realms novel, right now, but he did find time enough to send two more teases:


You will learn what a mask dancer is.

You'll see something of a routine civic disposal of the contents of chamberpots.


Oh boy. Can't wait for that LAST scene. "Civic disposal" doesn't sound like a euphemism for emptying a chamberpot over someone's head, though.
Ah, well . . .
love to all,
THO
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The Sage
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Posted - 04 Mar 2010 :  03:14:50  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

You will learn what a mask dancer is.
Oooh! Taking this tease literally, does it also mean I'll get to see some new musical Realmslore associated with this dancer? Because I'm still compiling the musical bits Ed dropped into the "Knights of Myth Drannor" trilogy...

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Kyrene
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Posted - 04 Mar 2010 :  13:03:45  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Kyrene, you've got it exactly right: a nib is a copper piece and a shard is a silver piece, in Waterdeep throughout the 1300s (see under "Coinage" in the 3rd Edition FRCS baseline tome, and many earlier sources).

My thanks as always, milady. Allow me to get make it up for to you some time.

I have another question though:
Regarding place nomenclature for Luskan, is it "Luskar" (apparently used in Polyhedron #74 and definitely used in The North) or "Luskanite" (also used in The North, but used more widely such as in some Wyrms of the North articles, the Grand History of the Moonshaes web article and Hand of Fire), or both (and if so, what is the difference)?

Thanks in advance for your replies.

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crazedventurers
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Posted - 04 Mar 2010 :  14:26:13  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

About ELMINSTER MUST DIE! Ed adds these:
A reader MIGHT 'see' someone chained in a pool.


Would that be Mystra in the Pool of Yeven?

Inquiring minds and all

Cheers

Damo

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 04 Mar 2010 :  15:43:07  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. Kyrene, Ed says:

Both are correct. Formerly, "Luskar" meant "person of Luskan" and "Luskanite" meant "item or good from Luskan." However, the darkness of the High Captains and the Hosttower of the Arcane gave Luskan a certain fell reputation, and "Luskar" (associated with this) fell out of fashion.
It's still used, and is still correct, but "Luskanite" has become steadily more prevalent.

And Damian, Ed says:

Nope. Definitely not. I would have remembered seeing Mystra in the Pool of Yeven. Or a naked human female in chains, anywhere. ;} Even in my own writing. :O

So there you have it: so saith Ed. Who promises more teasers, the moment he's finished something "short, fun but still secret, for the Realms"...
love to all,
THO
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Jakk
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Posted - 04 Mar 2010 :  23:15:42  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
THO: re: something "short, fun but still secret, for the Realms"... could this be the long-awaited hidden halfling bordello in Baldur's Gate we've heard whispers of?

Edit: Or do I have the location wrong?

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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sfdragon
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Posted - 05 Mar 2010 :  00:30:41  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message
ummm I dont remember reading about it of the 4e frcg.

so... what was the affect of the spellplague on the ruins of ardeep??

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 05 Mar 2010 :  03:29:55  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
As promised, another pair of ELMINSTER MUST DIE! teasers from Ed:


You will "attend" a feast and hear much gossip. Some of the gossipers will be courtiers.

You will accompany various characters down quite a few secret passages.


So saith Ed. Still speaking much and saying little. I wonder if we'll get some glimpse of culinary details, and wines?
Hmmm...I'm getting hungry, and thirsty. Not to mention horny. DEFINITELY feast time.
love to all,
THO
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Elfinblade
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Posted - 05 Mar 2010 :  11:05:16  Show Profile Send Elfinblade a Private Message
Greetings Lady Hooded and Mr.Greenwood, fellow scribes.

A query about NDA's and mushrooms in Chult this time around.

Will we ever be hearing more from Rowan Cormaeril, or is this still NDA?
What sort of mushrooms will be used most in culinary environments in Chult(stews, ovenbaked, panfried etc)? And what sort should one be wary of, in terms of poisonous shrooms? And if possible, some effects these poisonous mushrooms would have if digested.

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Kyrene
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Posted - 05 Mar 2010 :  11:16:27  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Heh. Kyrene, Ed says:

Both are correct. Formerly, "Luskar" meant "person of Luskan" and "Luskanite" meant "item or good from Luskan." However, the darkness of the High Captains and the Hosttower of the Arcane gave Luskan a certain fell reputation, and "Luskar" (associated with this) fell out of fashion.
It's still used, and is still correct, but "Luskanite" has become steadily more prevalent.

My thanks again, milady, to you and Ed for the quick reply. 'Realmspeak' has therefore been thusly updated. I shall refrain from commenting on your three basic needs though.

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Brimstone
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Posted - 05 Mar 2010 :  13:53:41  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
Almost done with Falconfar, what a romp.

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BEAST
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Posted - 07 Mar 2010 :  18:09:52  Show Profile  Visit BEAST's Homepage Send BEAST a Private Message
Re: the Menzoberranzan [Boxed Set] date controversy.

I have recently modified my notion of the appropriate dating of the M[BS]. Previously, we had determined that 1358 DR made the most sense, since the time clues within the third booklet of the M[BS], "The House Do'Urden Retrospective", coincided with Bob Salvatore's novel The Legacy, and that novel appears to take place in spring, 1358 DR.

However, in light of all that you shared before on the history of the M[BS], as well as my ongoing research into the RAS Realms Chronology, I think that the date for the M[BS] should be modified, slightly. I now think that we should preserve the original, official date of autumn, 1357 DR, for the main text of the M[BS]; and only assign to "THDUR" the new date of spring, 1358 DR.

This new arrangement actually helps establish my independently calculated date of 1358 DR for both of Bob's books, The Legacy and Starless Night.

M[BS], "Book II: The Houses", lists both Vierna Do'Urden and Vendes Baenre as still being alive.

But Bob killed Vierna off in the spring in The Legacy.

And then he killed Vendes off in the summer in Starless Night.

If the main text of M[BS] truly were set in autumn 1357 DR; this, then, means that neither TL nor SN could also be set in 1357 DR. Vierna can't be killed off in spring, 1357 DR (TL), only to be alive again in the M[BS]. And Vendes can't be killed off in summer, 1357 DR (SN), only to be alive again in M[BS]. Clearly, Bob's two books must take place in the year after the M[BS].

<Here> is a draft write-up I did on the chronological placement of the M[BS].

"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 07 Mar 2010 :  23:03:28  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
Hey Ed, hope your various writing projects are going well. I hate to add to your pile of questions (well, ok, so no I don't, and I'm going to anyway). I'd like your advice on an NPC background I'm putting together.

Recently, my players rescued a half-elven girl (about 15 years old) from a pirate ship south of Thindol. She's been taken in as a sort of ward/apprentice by them, which means I need a background for her. Since the party is eventually going to end up in Waterdeep, I want her to have some connection with that city.

I know you've mentioned several times before that many nobles in both Waterdeep and Cormyr aren't above quietly doing away with members of their own family if said members are sufficeintly embarrassing/buck the will of the family's head too often. So I think I'd like to make this half-elf a victim of that.

What I'm thinking is this: the girl's mother was a younger daughter of one of Waterdeep's noble matriarchs. Instead of marrying the man her mother had arranged for, she fell in love and married a wandering elf, and had a daughter by him. This turned her mother against her. It took more than a decade for the matriarch's rage to boil over, but when it did, the matriarch strangled her daughter with her own hands, in front of the half-elven girl. She then secretly sold the girl to some smugglers and pirates she knew, enjoying the thought of her bane living the rest of her short life servicing the crew before they eventually killed her.

My question is three-fold. First, is this plausible? Second, if so, can you give me a prospective matriarch or two who might be the culprit? And third, what would likely happen if the girl confronted and accused her grandmother in a large, public setting (say a formal audience before Piergion)? Thanks, as always, for sharing your wisdom.

edit: Whoops, forgot the timeframe: late 1360's to very early 1370's.

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sfdragon
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Posted - 08 Mar 2010 :  03:29:35  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
As promised, another pair of ELMINSTER MUST DIE! teasers from Ed:


You will "attend" a feast and hear much gossip. Some of the gossipers will be courtiers.

You will accompany various characters down quite a few secret passages.


So saith Ed. Still speaking much and saying little. I wonder if we'll get some glimpse of culinary details, and wines?
Hmmm...I'm getting hungry, and thirsty. Not to mention horny. DEFINITELY feast time.
love to all,
THO


by Sharess..... and then Sune....

so these secret passages, are they dark and gloomy secret passages or brightly lit ones?

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Brimstone
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Posted - 08 Mar 2010 :  06:00:53  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
Finished Falconfar.

Loved how Ed left it open for some more stories. Which I would read btw.

I so thought a certain 'Fat Swindler' would become King of Galath.

Now we need a map.

Kobold Quarterly maybe?

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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 08 Mar 2010 :  20:46:22  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. I bring these words, from Ed:


Brimstone, I'm hoping I'll get a chance to tell more tales of Falconfar (and yes, Gar and Isk would be at the forefront). Solaris (the imprint that published the books) recently changed hands, so we'll have to wait and see.

sfdragon, the passages aren't brightly lit by themselves, no, but some who pass down them bring their own light along.
Which reminds me that it's teaser time again. :}
So, hearken to these:

You will learn what makes a certain young lord's mouth water, at morningfeast.

You will see a dead man's face change.

Heh-heh. Onward . . .

Hoondatha, the scenario you posit is entirely plausible. Possible matriarchs would be the likes of Laentra Manthar (successor to Churylle, misspelled "Churyl" in the CITY OF SPLENDORS boxed set "Who's Who" booklet), Carina Phull, or Pera Sultlue. Piergeiron would certainly hear the granddaughter out, and promise to "consider the matter." The lass and her grandmother would separately be interviewed in private by senior Watch "justisars" (the clerks and interrogators who collate information gleamed from prisoners) with Peirgeiron's Palace wizards (one of whom appears in the CITY OF SPLENDORS novel, but there are others) using spells to mind-read them both.
If the granddaughter claims her mother was murdered by her grandmother, or the murder is "seen" in the grandmother's mind, a full investigation (i.e. family disgrace) will take place, and the grandmother will almost certainly be sentenced for that deed. Piergeiron will seize upon this as the paramount concern, to avoid the "she said but SHE said" messiness of the grandmother's treatment of her granddaughter; if there was no murder, the selling into slavery would of course be the main concern.
As any punishment for murder will involve (at the least) exile and loss of personal standing, it would mean the granddaughter will see her grandmother eventually "removed" from the scene (which is why such deeds are almost always done by hirelings working through several layers of "X hires Y, Y then hires Z" so no link can be proven back to the source).
The danger of younger family members disposing of older ones by false accusations is always borne in mind by the Palace (hence the "full investigation" part), and the Palace would provide secure lodgings and protection for the granddaughter during the investigation if she agrees to it, and covert watch over her and undercover-agent protection of her if she doesn't agree to it, to keep agents directed by anyone from "offing" the family members involved to silence them.
"Neutral" nobles are always called in to witness the trials of other nobles, both as object lessons and to prevent anyone in the Palace being accused of "framing or hunting nobles" for their own gain or satisfaction.
Yes, this could all get very sticky and stgir up a lot of intrigue, but then, that sort of thing makes campaigns sparkle. :}


So saith Ed. Who is happily busy at the keyboard right now, crafting new Realmslore for us all.
love,
THO
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 08 Mar 2010 :  22:31:25  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
That's great, Ed. Many thanks. You're the best, as usual. (Except for THO, who is also the best, in her own most special ways)

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Kyrene
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Posted - 09 Mar 2010 :  07:36:42  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message
Ed and/or THO and/or others,
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
You will learn what makes a certain young lord's mouth water, at morningfeast.
What is the difference between "dawnfry" and "morningfeast," if any? Also, concerning 'main' meals, are there any other terms for them apart from:
breakfast - "dawnfry" (and possibly "morningfeast" or "morningfest")
lunch - "highfeast" (or possibly "highfest") and "highsunfeast" or "highsunfest"
dinner - "evenfeast" (or possibly "evenfest") and "eveningfeast" (or possibly "eveningfest")
I presume the use of something-"fest" and something-"feast" is used interchangeably.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

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I am a sexy, shoeless god of war!

The Sellplague began, for all intents and purposes, in the dominions of the Corporation. Greed murdered Good Design, unraveling common sense in the cosmos and destroying her dominion. At the same time, Sales Fears and Warcraft Envy happened into alignment. This cataclysmic coincidence led to upheaval, shaking apart the primeval order, opening up holes in wallets, and reshaping everything...
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