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Brimstone
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 :  14:43:45  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

Tis' a sad day for FR fans indeed


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Christopher_Rowe
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 :  15:20:01  Show Profile  Visit Christopher_Rowe's Homepage Send Christopher_Rowe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Paul Kemp has written some great novels that I'm happy to have on my shelf, and I'm positive I'll get to add more in years to come, whatever their setting. I thank him for what he's given me so far, and wish him godspeed on future projects (mainly for selfish reasons, more Kemp faster!).

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Errr... Let's try to avoid attaching any unfounded motives to these developments.

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Haven't been this fething disappointed since it was announced that the last Arilyn book wouldn't be published.

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really I like the githvyrik, ''yap yap little dog'', Rel's domain and Corpsehaven but I'm not sad
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 :  19:55:29  Show Profile  Visit Ozzalum's Homepage  Send Ozzalum a Yahoo! Message Send Ozzalum a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I guess I have mixed feelings, with the upside being that he won't be doing a series of books about the son of his main character. It sounded like a disaster in the making to me and this way he gets to go out on a high point. The Spellplague has caused all these weird attempts to keep plotlines going 100 years later. If you weren't writing about an elf and his interactions with other elves, you were hard pressed to make the leap plausibly.
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 :  19:56:43  Show Profile  Visit Sith_Lord_Drizzt's Homepage Send Sith_Lord_Drizzt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wow....this is truly disappointing. Paul is one of the finest author's in the Realms. I've loved every single one of his books. A sad day indeed.

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Posted - 05 Nov 2009 :  04:21:41  Show Profile Send Firestorm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am utterly torn. The only book series I was looking forward to post spellplague......

And no, that is not meant as a slight towards all the other great Authors here. I have just been in love with certain series since I got into Forgotten realms years ago, and they have all been dying without hope of return because of 4th edition, and it has just killed my interest in buying any more Wizards of the coast books, or supporting the direction things are going.

I absolutely hate 4th edition. Playing it, and the fact that it killed so many favorites and series.

And now, the one series I was truly into and very happy that it was left a very good lead into 4th edition to keep me interested has been crushed.

This officially ends my relationship with Wizard's of the coast as well. No Elaine Cunningham's reclamation and no Paul Kemp's Godborn = I am officially done with the realms. Ill still stop by here to chat and talk about the old good times, but this is the nail in the coffin to me.

I understand some do not want negativity towards wizards, and that is not solely what I am getting at. But come on......

No "reclamation"? One of the books I was most looking forward to? I understand that there were circumstances involved in its cancellation, but in a series with Characters you know and love, you want to know that eventually, there will be some resolution. Hope of said resolution was virtually taken off the table completely. Given all that has been given to the realms, certain long term authors should have rights to write in whatever timeline they want, whenever they want.

Counselors & Kings by Cunningham I was also quite fond of, and it has been rendered obsolete because of all these changes.

Forcing authors to move 100 years into the future is absolutely wrong. they should be given a choice.

Many of my favorite characters from Salvatore's books were virtually forced to meet their end due to the jumping timeline, despite still having many many places their stories could have gone and books I would have bought.......

And now, this? The book I was most looking forward to above all others ?????

I don't need to know the details. This is what I do know. As of now, The realms has virtually no stories and characters that captivate me anymore(Aside from another Drizzt book).

I was hoping to read a few more stories, from Kemp and others, which would help me better adjust to the new environment, and help expand the new lore. Kemp's was one of the series which had a great lead into 100 years into the future. Now, I do not know where to even begin. In fact, I am too old to begin getting into an entire new landscape, devoid of the characters which lead to to love the world to begin with.
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Hawkins
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Posted - 05 Nov 2009 :  17:28:17  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
All I am going to say is that like Elaine Cunningham, the loss of Paul Kemp is a tragic loss for FR fans. In regards to WotC, I want to say more, but I do not want to violate the intentions of the OP. That, and I don't really need to say what I want to say because most everyone has already heard it before, and many have said it before.

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Posted - 06 Nov 2009 :  03:47:17  Show Profile  Visit Shemmy's Homepage  Send Shemmy an AOL message  Send Shemmy an ICQ Message Send Shemmy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Paul was one of my favorite Realms authors, and it was a joy over the past few years to watch his characters develop and watch his writing likewise do so. He's really damn talented, and for whatever the reason may have been for them, WotC is losing a very talented author.

Because of the Spellplague and other reasons, I have not purchased a single WotC product for 4e FR or that edition in general, but I fully planned on buying a copy of Paul's novels because I enjoy his writing and really liked many of his characters. That's a shame.

I don't read Star Wars fiction, but if Paul ends up writing any fantasy work outside of that franchise in the future, I'll be there to read it. I wish him luck. :)

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Kiaransalyn
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Posted - 06 Nov 2009 :  13:05:54  Show Profile Send Kiaransalyn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

From his Livejournal blog:

quote:
Normally, I would not write anything about this, but I feel obliged to let those of you awaiting the release of Godborn know that I have ended my relationship with Wizards of the Coast. As a result, I will not be writing Godborn and my contribution to the Forgotten Realms will end with The Twilight War. I sincerely apologize to those of you who were awaiting The Cycle of Night.

All that happened here is that Wizards made a decision that they thought was appropriate (and was, in fact, based on perfectly valid reasons), but that decision conflicted with what I thought was appropriate. We tried to resolve matters in good faith, but it just wasn't to be. It's unfortunate, but it goes that way sometimes. And that's all I'll have to say about it so please don't ask for further details.

I remain grateful to Wizards for publishing my novels, and in particular have nothing but the highest of praise for my editor, Phil Athans. Honestly, my primary regret here is that I feel like I've let a lot of you down. So again, please accept my apologies if you were one of those awaiting Godborn.



We live in interesting times.

If Paul is reading this, congratulations on making this decision. Sometimes even the best of business relationships have to change. It can be a little scary but you have all the right skills to continue your success.

May inspiration always guide your pen (or your fingers on the keyboard).

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Elfinblade
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Posted - 06 Nov 2009 :  23:27:20  Show Profile Send Elfinblade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Really sad for WOTC, and really sad for the FR fans. I am one of those who had Mr. Kemp's novels as one of the few reasons to keep buying stuff from WOTC. The others being the novels of Schend, Greenwood and Byers, so i guess i will keep at it for a while longer. I considered Kemp to be the most original author in the realms, and i really thought he gave it some sorely needed inspiration and image. I hope Paul Kemp has great success elsewhere, wherever his work will take him. I am sure he will continue writing enthralling novels in whatever setting he writes in. I am also sure his other fans, along with me, will follow his work wherever it will take him.
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Purple Dragon Knight
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Posted - 08 Nov 2009 :  06:25:16  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A loss for WotC and for the FR fan community = a gain for Paizo and for the Pathfinder/Golarion fan community?

PS: Pathfinder fiction is in the works folks... The great Mona said so on the Paizo boards at some point. Not sure of the status though 'cause I'm too busy gaming with the Pathfinder Adventure Paths (four current campaigns going on, approx 13 hours of gaming a week total... )
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Posted - 08 Nov 2009 :  07:22:15  Show Profile  Visit Shemmy's Homepage  Send Shemmy an AOL message  Send Shemmy an ICQ Message Send Shemmy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

A loss for WotC and for the FR fan community = a gain for Paizo and for the Pathfinder/Golarion fan community?

PS: Pathfinder fiction is in the works folks... The great Mona said so on the Paizo boards at some point. Not sure of the status though 'cause I'm too busy gaming with the Pathfinder Adventure Paths (four current campaigns going on, approx 13 hours of gaming a week total... )



Well I was there during GenCon at the Paizo booth chatting with Wes Schneider when someone* walked up and said something to the effect of, "So I hear that you're going to be doing Pathfinder fiction. I'm interested."
*It wasn't Mr Kemp, but it was someone who has written FR fiction before (in case they didn't want to say anything if things are in the works I won't name them). :)

That said, Kemp coming to play in the Golarion sandbox too would be awesome.

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Kiaransalyn
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Posted - 08 Nov 2009 :  09:28:25  Show Profile Send Kiaransalyn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

A loss for WotC and for the FR fan community = a gain for Paizo and for the Pathfinder/Golarion fan community?

PS: Pathfinder fiction is in the works folks... The great Mona said so on the Paizo boards at some point. Not sure of the status though 'cause I'm too busy gaming with the Pathfinder Adventure Paths (four current campaigns going on, approx 13 hours of gaming a week total... )



It might be time for me to head over to the Paizo/Pathfinder forums. What's the link again? Although, I heard the forums were tricky to navigate.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan

Forums. At first glance they seem to be tricky, but after a short time you should feeel comfortable.


Thanks.

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Man, I'm out of touch for a little while and come back to this? I am truly sad, but I wish Paul the best and look forward to anything he produces.

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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 :  08:43:48  Show Profile Send Ergdusch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
These things happen, as sad as this may be. None the less I wish you all the best for your future projects, Paul.

And, I believe I speek for all of us here at Candlekeep:

We would be glad to see you here at the Keep every now and than. There most certainly is still lots of information you need to share with us about your FR-books and all the unique characters you created for the setting so far.

Hope to see you around!

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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 :  16:32:25  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As the saying goes ... g a wyrd swa hio scel! or, in other words, Wyrd (Fate) goes ever as she shall. The Realms will lose one of its finest, the community though will always have the novels. From first to last, these novels rank amongst the best fantasy and not just FR literature I have come across and that is something that will always remain. I just hope that Paul keeps on writing and sharing his stories with us, be they FR or not!

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Originally posted by IcelanderThe integrity to say 'no' when someone wants you to write drek is important. If more artists had it, we'd see less of things like Basic Instinct 2, Son of the Mask, Mac and Me, Dumb and Dumberer and Forgotten Realms 4e.

Actually we don't know whether he was asked to write drek or merely insisted on writing something that was running against what has been decided (maybe even with an agreement between designers and authors) to be the future development of the FR continuity
quote:
Originally posted by IcelanderPaul S. Kemp explicitly said that his ending of the business relationship was due to a decision made by WotC which he thought was inappropriate. In other words, WotC and Kemp had differing ideas and rather than conform to whatever WotC wanted, Kemp opted out.

And in a shared world setting this is not something that automatically speaks for the author.

Now if he had been doing his own personal thing and refused to have his publisher meddle with his world, that would be one thing. But in a shared world every author is expected to coordinate with what all the others are doing and if two or more prefered plots contradict each other a solution has to be worked out. And this means that at least one side has to change her plot.
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Originally posted by IcelanderThe only assumption I've made was that the decision made by WotC was of an artistic nature, i.e. related to the work of the author and/or the setting, rather than being of a personal nature.

Annother assumption you made was that Paul was right for insisting on his version, which can not automatically be assumed to be true in a shared world setting. Maybe Paul's vision was running contrary to annother author's vision who already had the approval of the design team?


Maybe everything you assume is correct. Maybe Paul was asked to write drek for no particular reason and he did the only right thing by ending his business relationship with WotC. I am just saying that you should not automatically assume this

Edited by - Mirtek on 09 Nov 2009 19:11:13
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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 :  20:34:42  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have absolutely no inside information on why Paul left WotC. But in light of some of the comments in this thread, I thought it might be appropriate to mention that writers sometimes leave a particular publisher or a particular franchise for reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with content and creativity. Sometimes it's all about money. I realize that some fans don't like hearing that, but we are called "professional writers" for a reason.
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 10 Nov 2009 :  02:01:14  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

Sometimes it's all about money. I realize that some fans don't like hearing that, but we are called "professional writers" for a reason.
Well said, Richard. Remember everybody, Paul's got a family to support, including increasingly cute twin boys. He's got to do what's right for him and for them.

Also, 4e Realms is not drek. Period.

There. Just making sure my stance was perfectly clear.

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Posted - 10 Nov 2009 :  04:25:15  Show Profile  Visit SeeDiGi's Homepage Send SeeDiGi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

Well said, Richard. Remember everybody, Paul's got a family to support, including increasingly cute twin boys. He's got to do what's right for him and for them.

Also, 4e Realms is not drek. Period.

There. Just making sure my stance was perfectly clear.

Cheers



Maybe not to you but thats not the topic. I think it sucks that Paul left. "The great writers" are leaving the franchise can replace them. The Grubbs left and Elaine Cunningham left WotC was able to replace them with people like Paul and Erik up there. Now those newer people are moving on and WotC doesn't/hasn't made it clear who their "heirs" are and are without those types of authors in the wing (ignoring the maiin two of Ed and R.A Salvatore). Maybe theyll have enough open-book contest as they move on and existing authors become "flagship" people and leave spaces for "secondary" authors?
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