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WarlockII
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as a game master I'm very much interested in the maps

in 4e there is one big map with less the minimal detail basicly you're lucky if you get more then just the capital city on the map

3e is a little better with their big map, and then there are also scraps and shards of more detailed maps that are impossible to put together

2e has one big map and the source books have extremely detailed maps of sections off the world which has allowed me to make a complete large map in high detail.



now my 2e map is outdated, but I am completely unwilling to settle for anything with as low detail as the 4e map, but I also want to add the changes the spellplague has made in faerun...


so... what do I do?

can anyone help?

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Utilise Markustay's vast selection of maps, most of which, are stored here at Candlekeep:- http://www.candlekeep.com/library/maps.htm

Just scroll down to the "Maps by Mark Taylor" section.

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Wooly Rupert
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I have extra maps from several boxed sets, and I'd be willing to sell them.

Ruins of Zhentil Keep
Spellbound
The North
Arcane Age: Netheril: Empire of Magic
Lands of Intrigue
Empires of the Shining Sea
Maztica
Menzoberranzan
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The Horde

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WarlockII
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I don't think you're getting the point, though the Taylor section is more complete then what I've seen before but it is ultimately Incomplete I can not craft a decent map from that, and it's not post spell plague anyways.
That's my main problem with 3e maps, the few that have detail are fragments, always just some random fragments, noone as far as I know ever bothered to make a complete map, or sections that could be grafted into a complete map, like they did with 2e.

What I have is the maps from 2e, That Cover most of faerun in very high detail.

http://members.chello.nl/t.posthuma0/downloads/frmap.jpg

this map is what I use, I've taken the sections from books of the areas that have detail like here:

http://light.chaoscat.com/North%20Faerun.jpg

using the books which have a nice Square part of the main map. They can be put together to make nice detailed maps of the main map for all areas.

Besides that I am wondering why 2e and 3e maps are so different. More precisely, The Snowflake Mountains and Impresk lake. In 3e the Lake is moved above the mountain why?... was there a reason or did they just mess it up?



still main question is: are there any detailed post spellplague maps?
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quote:
Originally posted by WarlockII

Besides that I am wondering why 2e and 3e maps are so different. More precisely, The Snowflake Mountains and Impresk lake. In 3e the Lake is moved above the mountain why?... was there a reason or did they just mess it up?


When 3E came out, WotC decided there was too much dead space on the maps -- so they took it out, moving some stuff around in the process. And this of course contributed to the 4E decision that there weren't enough unexplored areas on the map.

quote:
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still main question is: are there any detailed post spellplague maps?


There's a map in the FRCG. As far as I know, that's all we're ever going to have, until 5E comes out.

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There's actually been some rather detailed discussions about the map changes between editions here at Candlekeep. WarlockII, you might want to search them out for some ideas.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I have extra maps from several boxed sets, and I'd be willing to sell them.

Ruins of Zhentil Keep
Spellbound
The North
Arcane Age: Netheril: Empire of Magic
Lands of Intrigue
Empires of the Shining Sea
Maztica
Menzoberranzan
The Ruins of Myth Drannor
The Horde



How much would you sell these for? I might be interested in having a second copy of the Netheril map so I can put it up on my wall...

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quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I have extra maps from several boxed sets, and I'd be willing to sell them.

Ruins of Zhentil Keep
Spellbound
The North
Arcane Age: Netheril: Empire of Magic
Lands of Intrigue
Empires of the Shining Sea
Maztica
Menzoberranzan
The Ruins of Myth Drannor
The Horde



How much would you sell these for? I might be interested in having a second copy of the Netheril map so I can put it up on my wall...



$5 per set, plus shipping and handling.

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Sill Alias
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Hello there!
As novice of Forgotten Realms I am very interested in knowing more about the continents of Abeir-Toril. Does anyone knows where I can get some big detailed maps of regions, continents like Kara-Tur?

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quote:
Originally posted by Sill Alias

Hello there!
As novice of Forgotten Realms I am very interested in knowing more about the continents of Abeir-Toril. Does anyone knows where I can get some big detailed maps of regions, continents like Kara-Tur?



Hi there, the proper answer is purchase the books. At times however WotC does provide some free content. I am not sure what is currently available, however there should be a few things you can find should you do a web search.

You might also note that this thread in large part discussed the change of land mass of FR, that indeed your request/search should be edition indicted.

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Sill Alias
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Noob Q #1


Are changes in cosmology and plane geography discussed in this topic?

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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal

quote:
Originally posted by Sill Alias

Hello there!
As novice of Forgotten Realms I am very interested in knowing more about the continents of Abeir-Toril. Does anyone knows where I can get some big detailed maps of regions, continents like Kara-Tur?



Hi there, the proper answer is purchase the books. At times however WotC does provide some free content. I am not sure what is currently available, however there should be a few things you can find should you do a web search.

You might also note that this thread in large part discussed the change of land mass of FR, that indeed your request/search should be edition indicted.



I'll take this opportunity to send out a plea to Markustay to return and complete his work on the Faerun/Kara-Tur/Zakhara landmass that was (as I recall) about 95% complete when he took a break to work on his own world.

That done, I'm interested in this large 2E map, WarlockII. Is it digital, and if so, is there any chance you would be willing to host it on Candlekeep (with Alaundo's and The Sage's permission, of course)? I've always preferred 1E and 2E geography over 3E, and I won't mention 4E geography or cartography (apart from Markustay's amazing map of Laerakond) out of a desire to remain civil.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
I'll take this opportunity to send out a plea to Markustay to return and complete his work on the Faerun/Kara-Tur/Zakhara landmass that was (as I recall) about 95% complete when he took a break to work on his own world.


I second that plea.

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Victor_ograygor
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Just a thought : Maby this link can make someone happy"

I used allot of time scanning maps from boks and modules (Forgotten Realms) and put them into my site.

http:// no Links because Candlekeepp has moral police officer from US :O)

before some people start to talk about if it illigale ore not... let me tell you I have chekedt it out and it is.

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quote:
Originally posted by Victor_ograygor

Just a thought : Maby this link can make someone happy"

I used allot of time scanning maps from boks and modules (Forgotten Realms) and put them into my site.

before some people start to talk about if it illigale ore not... let me tell you I have chekedt it out and it is.



If you do not hold a license to distribute copywritten material and intellectual property owned by someone else, and rights to share it have not been granted, then yes, sharing it is illegal.

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But after 5 years the copyright fore products from which I am sharing experiese. - due to Danish law - I could if I wanted take A new book and put it on the net on a web page from Thailand and it would be legal. The laws I have to make sure to uphold is the laws of my country where my internet site is from.

But I know that you Americans have laws that some countrys in Scandinavia find ridiculous :O)

You uphold your laws and ill uphold my laws.. truly L G ore...L E

And yes I have read Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct :O)


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quote:
Originally posted by Victor_ograygor

But after 5 years the copyright fore products from which I am sharing experiese. - due to Danish law - I could if I wanted take A new book and put it on the net on a web page from Thailand and it would be legal. The laws I have to make sure to uphold is the laws of my country where my internet site is from.

But I know that you Americans have laws that some countrys in Scandinavia find ridiculous :O)

You uphold your laws and ill uphold my laws.. truly L G ore...L E

And yes I have read Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct :O)





WotC is a US company, and goes with US laws. Based on that, they can still make a legal case about something, if they so desire. So if you've got WotC material on your site, it's illegal.

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WarlockII
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WotC are never going to attempt a lawsuit against a person for posting maps, and certainly not one from another country.

There is no reason to discuss if it's possible or winable. Fact is that kind of Lawsuit will be unpopular among their customers, especially after that sorry sorry sorry 4e map they have graced us with. Any Lawsuit against someone sharing a 2e or 3e map will be frowned upon by their general customers if it becomes puplic. And that's a risk they will never take.



And besides, I imagin they want to encourage some online community with their material.


Edited by - WarlockII on 17 Mar 2010 16:52:11
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quote:
Originally posted by WarlockII

WotC are never going to attempt a lawsuit against a person for posting maps, and certainly not one from another country.

There is no reason to discuss if it's possible or winable. Fact is that kind of Lawsuit will be unpopular among their customers, especially after that sorry sorry sorry 4e map they have graced us with. Any Lawsuit against someone sharing a 2e or 3e map will be frowned upon by their general customers if it becomes puplic. And that's a risk they will never take.



And besides, I imagin they want to encourage some online community with their material.





Its not always that easy to foresee when or with what a company will try to make an example. The history of RPG's has a couple of strange lawsuits.
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Victor_ograygor

But after 5 years the copyright fore products from which I am sharing experiese. - due to Danish law - I could if I wanted take A new book and put it on the net on a web page from Thailand and it would be legal. The laws I have to make sure to uphold is the laws of my country where my internet site is from.

But I know that you Americans have laws that some countrys in Scandinavia find ridiculous :O)

You uphold your laws and ill uphold my laws.. truly L G ore...L E

And yes I have read Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct :O)





WotC is a US company, and goes with US laws. Based on that, they can still make a legal case about something, if they so desire. So if you've got WotC material on your site, it's illegal.



First.
I am not breaking any laws in Denmark and since the the site is set in Denmark I have no problem sharing this information on my site :O)

Second.
America has strange laws and more strange laws concerning copyright - and as I understand this site "www.candlekeep.com" is not set as a US site. so again I am on the safe side.

Third.
I work with lawyers and other people working whit lawyers.. and they laugh every time cases like this appearer :O)

Fourth.
Its not the first time I have talked about this here on this site and I am a 100 pro-cent sure.

Fifth.
http://www.dumblaws.com/

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Hate to burst your bubble, Victor, but you REALLY have to look at International Copyright laws since they will usually overwrite National Copyrights. Just because Danish copyright runs out in 5 years doesn't mean that it applies to items patented or produced in the United States.

Not too mention, WotC/Hasbro are a LOT richer than you are. Sure, they may sue and the case has no merit, but do you have enough money to fight against them in court for five or more years?

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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First
Whey would WotC/Hasbro take me to court ? if they rely were offended by what I have, I would be asked to remove it / thats usaly how it works-

Second.
Honestly whey should WotC/Hasbro take me to court because I have 45 pictures on my site and 32 of them is on the net - not only on my site. so yes I have 13 pictures I cant find anywhere else on the net.

Third.
No bubble is burst since if a case against me would take place in Denmark and I would be valued by Danish law.

Fourth.
There are many cases like this and only the biggest get to court. fore ex- Piratbay and Swedish law against American law concerning filesharing

Fifth.
I haven't read it all :O) your link - but will comment it later

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Oh, they will go after the individuals, as has been proven in the past.

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

Oh, they will go after the individuals, as has been proven in the past.



how does that compare?

It's a complete product. And even then the amounts of money in US sues are just silly.

They are not going to sue anyone for posting a singel feat, or a copy of part of an old book or map like I said.


They will go after people sharing complete brand new products. There is only a world of difference between those two things.
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quote:
Originally posted by WarlockII

quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

Oh, they will go after the individuals, as has been proven in the past.



how does that compare?

It's a complete product. And even then the amounts of money in US sues are just silly.

They are not going to sue anyone for posting a singel feat, or a copy of part of an old book or map like I said.


They will go after people sharing complete brand new products. There is only a world of difference between those two things.



And if it's only new products that WotC is going to concern itself with, then I could do whatever I wanted with my D&D library and the 'Net without fear... because the newest products I own that were bought new are the 4E core books, and they only get touched to move them out of the way; I don't have nearly enough room on my bookshelves. Even so, I'm not about to go to the trouble of scanning all my stuff for online distribution, simply because (a) it's already all out there from other sources if you know where to look, and (b) it's a waste of my time, even if (a) were not true. There's also (c) I respect the right of authors/artists and publishers (the last group less so) to be paid for their work if I'm intending to make use of it. The last point is why I picked up a *used* (NM condition) copy of the 4E FRCS... almost solely for Ed's work on Laerakond. The less said about the map, the better, as the OP has already pointed out, but since the geographical changes apart from Laerakond didn't happen IMFR (that's In My Forgotten Realms; hopefully the shorthand catches on), the atrocious cartography is a non-issue for me thanks to Markustay's brilliant work.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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quote:
Originally posted by WarlockII

quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

Oh, they will go after the individuals, as has been proven in the past.



how does that compare?

It's a complete product. And even then the amounts of money in US sues are just silly.

They are not going to sue anyone for posting a singel feat, or a copy of part of an old book or map like I said.


They will go after people sharing complete brand new products. There is only a world of difference between those two things.



It doesn't matter. The fact is that copyright laws are being violated. They could conceivably come down on us just for having links to such material -- which is why the Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct outlaws such things.

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