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Markustay
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Posted - 30 Jun 2009 :  16:42:57  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Where can I find out more about this country. 1e/2e seems extremely sparse (and yes, I know the reason why), and there isn't really a whole lot in the 3e FRCS.

I'm also very much aware of Paul Kemp's excellent novels... but they don't really tell me much of anything regarding Sembia.

I'm placing the locales in VGtC ATM, and I noted a few 'across the river' that belong to Sembia, and I was wondering if we ever got any info about Sembia, beyond what was in the CS.

I was going to ask Ed, but with Paul writing there, I'm sure its all under super-lockdown NDA. Maybe someone (Sage?) knows of some older responses regarding this area?

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Wasn't Sembia specifically 'left blank' in the older editions to give DM's a place to build whatever they wanted?

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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There's some in the 1st edition gray box and FR Adventures. Beyond that, really it was left alone until 3e. The 2e edition box set has a little but not much.

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I found the Death of a Dragon trilogy gave quite the insight into Sembian sociocultural stuff. In addition, the map of Cormyr from 4e Dragon has all of the VGtC locales on it, if you're having trouble.
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Sembia wasn't a heavily detailed region in the older Realmslore... mostly because TSR left it as a area for DM's to detail.

Aside from the sources already mentioned:-

"Land of Merchants" [POLYHEDRON #94] and Cult of the Dragon pgs. 33–34.

"Rand's Travelogue:- Caravans and Trading Companies in Sembia" -- http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=fr/fx20010905b

"Rand's Travelogue: More Old Empires and Sembia!" -- http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp%3Fx%3Dfr/fx20020116rt

"Realmslore:- The Flourishing Career of Melvos Hammerstars" -- http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/archfr/rl

"Realmslore: The Matchmaker of Sembia" -- http://www.wizards.com/default.asp%3Fx%3Ddnd/rl/20030709a

See Ed's replies here at Candlekeep also.

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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I'm also very much aware of Paul Kemp's excellent novels... but they don't really tell me much of anything regarding Sembia.
I'm actually in the process of compiling most of the relevant Sembian/Selgauntan lore from the "Sembia" series [another worthwhile source]. It'll likely all be included in a easy-to-reference PDF eventually.
quote:
I was going to ask Ed, but with Paul writing there, I'm sure its all under super-lockdown NDA. Maybe someone (Sage?) knows of some older responses regarding this area?
I don't have time to search through the archives now. But as I said above, Ed has touched on Sembia in previous replies. You can probably perform your own search for the time being, until I've had a chance to compile most of the relevant stuff you're looking for.

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The main Sembian cities got two-page write-ups in the Forgotten Realms Adventures hardback.

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Markustay
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I was actually looking for a little something on those smaller, lesser-known locales.

Ah, well.

Thanks for the replies.

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Paul S Kemp's Shadow War and Erevis Cale Trilogies are the way to go - lots of color, lots of character.

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Markustay
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Posted - 01 Jul 2009 :  15:23:35  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And little in the way of Geography.

I need descriptions of locales; not necessarily the people that live in them.

When placing stuff on a map, I heavilly research each and every locale so that I get it's placement perfect - the official maps aren't always that accurate.

Although I'm sure the placements in the Volo's guides are pretty damn-near perfect, since those maps are all based on Ed's own... I still like to double-check everything, though.

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Here are some lesser-known places in Sembia:

Drelt: hunters’ hamlet, ne of Daerlun (Dragon #282 p. 71)
Ornstar: tiny hamlet, sw of Ordulin (Polyhedron #94 p. 5)
Skultan: gnome village, e of Daerlun (Dragon #269 p. 87)
Yuthgalaunt: village?, between Ordulin and Yhaunn (Cormyr: A Novel p. 142)

Griffonfang Bridge: bridge, e of Daerlun (Polyhedron #94 p. 5)
Old Hazard Hill Farm: monastic Tymoran retreat (Prayers from the Faithful p. 26)

Am I missing any?
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Markustay
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Posted - 02 Jul 2009 :  16:01:18  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
WOW!

You rock!

When I start to compile the Index for the atlas from my notes, I was going to ask the scribes here for references to every locale in Faerūn (and beyond). During that period, I plan to release a v.1.0 of the Atlas for folks here to go through and make corrections, but also mainly to add to whatever I may have missed. Those sites are EXACTLY the kind of thing I'm looking for!

And that's precisely how I want them presented - a couple of words describing where it's located, and then the source and page numbers.

I was going through all my old Dungeon Mags last night, and found quite a few new ones, but I am missing a bunch of issues with FR lore and I will also be asking the scribes here to go through any they might have to help-out with this. Once I put together a list of the ones I'm missing (that contain FR adventures), I will be posting that request. It will probably be around the same time I release the 1.0 version of the Atlas.

I haven't even begun with the Dragon issues yet, but I'm pretty sure I have all of those, so I can probably do that one on my own (which I consider FUN, re-reading all those wonderful old FR articles).

Thanks Feraer, and everyone else who has been so helpful.

Edit: There were two small hamlets (thorps?) in And Wringing of Hands in the book Realms of Infamy, but neither was named. They were supposedly near each other, but other then that, there's no info - no-one knows if there was ever a name for them, eh?

There was also a bunch of burned villages between Cormyr and Sembia along the coast in one of the Dungeon adventures - I should see if I could 'pester' Ed for names for those.

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Did I give you similar bits from my notes on the Thunder Peaks?

I don't think all the Dungeon articles by non-regular freelancers should automatically be taken as Realmslore.
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Well, I can make 'em work.

I'm even tryng to fit in the stuff from Nightmare Keep... no easy task, I can assure you.

If it appeared in an official TSR/WotC/Hasbro product, then I will try to make it all work, so long as it pertains to the Realms.

For instance, that village furthest west on the map I posted coincides nicely with Dawngleam... and it also fits perfectly with the lore of that place (a build-up of Cormyrian military there). After nearly being destroyed by a pirate raid, Azoun ordered a major fortification of the place, including new docks and several ships assigned to it's new naval base. Rather then going against canon, the adventure plays into the canon perfectly.

quote:
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Did I give you similar bits from my notes on the Thunder Peaks?
When I'm done with the preliminary version of the Atlas, I will be looking for whatever lore I happen to be missing as part of a community project - the Thunderpeaks are a VERY busy place and I already have quite a bit on them.

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Rosemary Jones's short story in Realms of the Dragons II is set in a small Sembian community - though I do not recall it's name, and since my books are at a different house than me...

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Posted - 03 Jul 2009 :  16:12:10  Show Profile  Visit Dart Ambermoon's Homepage Send Dart Ambermoon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"Halfknot" I believe...but I“m not 100% sure.

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Markustay
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Well, if anyone has the tome, I'd appreciate any sort of placement, and whatever text described it, along with the page number.

I really need to get the rest of those "Realms of..." books... I think I only have three or four.

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- Halfknot is indeed the name of the "small town" as it is described [pg. 22]

- 'Thas "a mixed population of humans, dwarves, and gnomes" [pg. 22]

I don't specifically recall the exact location of the town being noted in the story. And a quick flick through it now didn't reveal any details either. I suppose you could ask Rosemary herself, as she may have some thoughts on where exactly Halfknot is located.

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No description of the town (Halfnot)? Was it on the coast?

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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

And little in the way of Geography.

I need descriptions of locales; not necessarily the people that live in them.
Ordulin and Selgaunt were sufficiently described in The Twilight War Trilogy by Paul S. Kemp; that is, before the former was annihilated.

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They Tilverton'd Ordulin? Why?

Anyhow, I will just place Halfnot in an empty-looking area I guess, unless further info is forthcoming. Going by the official maps, I would say Sembia's coast is either mostly cliffs or there is some danger involved with them (like reefs and sandbars). All that coastline and no towns (the few good ports are all cities). I guess no one goes fishing in Sembia.

Cormyr, on the other hand is LOADED with locales.

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Ordlin has a Shadow Weave/Spellplague thingy above it that the Shades are trying to recreate the Shadow Weave out of...

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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

They Tilverton'd Ordulin? Why?
A priestess of Shar (not from Shade, for once) read The Leaves of One Night to bring about the Shadowstorm, a preternatural storm that consumes all things. Telamont commanded Rivalen to put a stop to it. That's why most of Sembia was "saved."

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quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

Ordlin has a Shadow Weave/Spellplague thingy above it that the Shades are trying to recreate the Shadow Weave out of...
Source please?

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4E FRCG...

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Ah, yes. Found it, on p. 177. I didn't really read that book from cover to cover, for obvious reasons; just skimmed through most parts.

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