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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 10 Aug 2009 :  17:51:49  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. Ed is busy dealing with the whirlwind of real-life matters (paying bills, etc.) that must be taken care of before the long drive down to GenCon.
However, he's just dropped me an e-mail that Grants Pass won't be available at GenCon due to printing delays. However, bookplates for it WILL be, from Jennifer Brozek in Author's Alley, for interested scribes.
Also, Jakk, I can confirm that Ed created the Phaerimm and they do exist in his "original" Realms and the home campaign I play in.
love,
THO
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 10 Aug 2009 :  18:32:15  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. Ed is busy dealing with the whirlwind of real-life matters (paying bills, etc.) that must be taken care of before the long drive down to GenCon.
However, he's just dropped me an e-mail that Grants Pass won't be available at GenCon due to printing delays. However, bookplates for it WILL be, from Jennifer Brozek in Author's Alley, for interested scribes.
Also, Jakk, I can confirm that Ed created the Phaerimm and they do exist in his "original" Realms and the home campaign I play in.
love,
THO



I overlooked the Phaerimm question before... Obviously our lovely Lady Hooded One has answered the question, but I'll add a tiny bit. I don't recall which reference came first, but the Phaerimm were detailed in both FR13 Anauroch, and The Ruins of Myth Drannor boxed set. Both of these are 2E sources that were penned by Ed.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I overlooked the Phaerimm question before... Obviously our lovely Lady Hooded One has answered the question, but I'll add a tiny bit. I don't recall which reference came first, but the Phaerimm were detailed in both FR13 Anauroch, and The Ruins of Myth Drannor boxed set. Both of these are 2E sources that were penned by Ed.

Anauroch came first, in 1991. Ruins of Myth Drannor was released in 1993.
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Also, Jakk, I can confirm that Ed created the Phaerimm and they do exist in his "original" Realms and the home campaign I play in.
love,
THO
Ed, and THO... could you possibly share with us some details about the phaerimm of Ed's home campaigns? And, also, some of the experiences the characters of those early campaigns may have had with them?

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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 :  02:42:23  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
I recall Ed once mentioning (at GenCon) the Knights being either pinned-down spectators or caught up in a memorable Phaerimm vs. Sharn fight.
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Joran Nobleheart
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 :  03:00:30  Show Profile  Visit Joran Nobleheart's Homepage Send Joran Nobleheart a Private Message
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I have a question about a previous post here that I can't seem to find. Did I read something about the nobles of Cormyr having mistresses or a mistress, and it being a Cormyrean custom? I think I did, but just want to make sure. Thank you!

I'm still looking for this post, and don't seem to have much luck with the Search function as it doesn't list individual posts for quick perusing. Could someone offer some advice, please?

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The Sage
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 :  03:12:12  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Joran Nobleheart

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Originally posted by Joran Nobleheart

I have a question about a previous post here that I can't seem to find. Did I read something about the nobles of Cormyr having mistresses or a mistress, and it being a Cormyrean custom? I think I did, but just want to make sure. Thank you!

I'm still looking for this post, and don't seem to have much luck with the Search function as it doesn't list individual posts for quick perusing. Could someone offer some advice, please?

Sure. I'll take a look through my own personal archives and see what I can find.

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Joran Nobleheart
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 :  06:16:35  Show Profile  Visit Joran Nobleheart's Homepage Send Joran Nobleheart a Private Message
Thank you, Sage. I apologize for asking the question twice. I guess the Search function and I aren't that good of friends.

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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 :  08:40:11  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
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Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Joran Nobleheart

quote:
Originally posted by Joran Nobleheart

I have a question about a previous post here that I can't seem to find. Did I read something about the nobles of Cormyr having mistresses or a mistress, and it being a Cormyrean custom? I think I did, but just want to make sure. Thank you!

I'm still looking for this post, and don't seem to have much luck with the Search function as it doesn't list individual posts for quick perusing. Could someone offer some advice, please?

Sure. I'll take a look through my own personal archives and see what I can find.
Right. Ed touched on this during his 'House Haldoneir' replies earlier in the year [around February]. There's also this bit [Feb. 5th], which I think could be what you're thinking about:-
quote:
There’s an old Cormyrean word, “saerla,” that means “unmarried wife,” but this means not just a mistress but “someone I’ve fathered children with,” who remains a friend (if a man says, “She used to be my saerla” it means we’re no longer on friendly terms, NOT “I’m now married or she’s now married so she can’t be called a saerla anymore”).
A new term, gaining popularity in Suzail, is “nightskirts,” which used to mean “sophisticated prostitute I can pass off as a lady of high breeding,” but is now starting to mean something like “bedmate I treat as a lady of breeding, paying for her bed and the walls around it - - because she’s worth it.”

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Menelvagor
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 :  10:50:50  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert:
We have had at least two named elven Chosen, though. One is the Srinshee. It's not confirmed in any sourcebook that I can think of, but Ed has said that the Srinshee is a Chosen.

There's also Embrae Aloevan of Ardeep, and her tragic tale. I found this info on her online somewhere; I believe it came from the now defunct Yet Another Forgotten Realms Website.


There is another elf Chosen, actually. And I quote from earlier in the year:

quote:
Rereading Elminster In Hell, I noticed this:
On page 30, El has a memory where he bows over an elven woman who's deathly wounded. Silver Fire springs around her. What is interresting, however, is that it comes from her, not El. Who is this elf?

quote:
Menelvagor, Ed tells me that the dying elf woman in question is, to borrow your words, "someone else entirely." Unfortunately, she's also NDA. So we have a battlefield (in the past, Ed hints at least a few centuries, and we have a dying elf female known to El and dear to him, and yes, she certainly seems to be a Chosen . . .
Ed wishes very much he could say more.

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How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

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Joran Nobleheart
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 :  11:29:08  Show Profile  Visit Joran Nobleheart's Homepage Send Joran Nobleheart a Private Message
Thank you Sage. I really wish I had your capability of keeping everything sorted. I went through the scroll, and I tried the Search feature, but all it did was list the scroll, not the individual posts with my keywords. It was... irritating not being able to go right where I wanted to go. Again, thank you so much for your time and dedication!

Hmm... there's one more on the same topic where they mention the mistress being introduced formally as 'his' or 'their' mistress at a function or party. I'll look around there and see if I can find it. It's come up in-game is why I'm asking.

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Nevorick
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 :  12:24:55  Show Profile  Visit Nevorick's Homepage Send Nevorick a Private Message
The Hooded One, I have two quick questions regarding Undermountain for my campaign currently taking place there. First, using the timeline, what years did the Knights adventure into Undermountain? Second, regarding the magic "Horned Ring" found in Undermountain, is its teleport function strictly bound to the confines of the dungeon? Does this exclude Waterdeep and its environs?

Thanks!

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The Sage
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 :  12:28:41  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Joran Nobleheart

Thank you Sage. I really wish I had your capability of keeping everything sorted. I went through the scroll, and I tried the Search feature, but all it did was list the scroll, not the individual posts with my keywords. It was... irritating not being able to go right where I wanted to go. Again, thank you so much for your time and dedication!
Aye.

I'll be uploading the first of the '09 compiled reply files soon. So searching for any answers provided by Ed for the year so far will be much easier for all scribes.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 :  14:43:22  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, all.
Nevorick, I'm away from my notes right now and so can't be certain of the Realms dating of our forays (they were brief, and spread over about a decade; it was Ed's earlier Company of Crazed Venturers who spent a lot of time in Undermountain), but I CAN tell you that the Horned Ring can teleport all over Waterdeep (everywhere inside the walls, and the harbor and its islands) AND about a stone's throw outside the walls in at least one area, due east of the southern gate into the city. How do I know this? Heh-heh; let's just say it's part of why my character is still alive . . .

love,
THO
P.S. Falling silent now as I try to fool my employer into letting me get within swooping distance of GenCon. I'll be traveling on business, at least as close as Ohio. We'll see if I can manage that last leap (probably not, but worth the proverbial old college try . . .)
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Hoondatha
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While we're on the subject of elven Chosen, we're missing the best known: Symrustar Auglamyr; first introduced in Elminster in Myth Drannor, expanded upon in Cormanthyr, and killed in Fall of Myth Drannor (unless she shows up in Blackstaff Tower, a book I haven't read since it's 4e).

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Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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Menelvagor
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 :  20:55:23  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
No, we already mentioned her in the previous page.

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Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

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Jakk
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quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert:
<snip>

There's also Embrae Aloevan of Ardeep, and her tragic tale. I found this info on her online somewhere; I believe it came from the now defunct Yet Another Forgotten Realms Website.


There is another elf Chosen, actually. And I quote from earlier in the year:

quote:
Rereading Elminster In Hell, I noticed this:
On page 30, El has a memory where he bows over an elven woman who's deathly wounded. Silver Fire springs around her. What is interresting, however, is that it comes from her, not El. Who is this elf?

quote:
Menelvagor, Ed tells me that the dying elf woman in question is, to borrow your words, "someone else entirely." Unfortunately, she's also NDA. So we have a battlefield (in the past, Ed hints at least a few centuries, and we have a dying elf female known to El and dear to him, and yes, she certainly seems to be a Chosen . . .
Ed wishes very much he could say more.




Re: the identity of the mysterious elven female Chosen... what about Symrustar Auglamyr, as mentioned in a subsequent post to the above-quoted post? That's my only stab at this; can Ed give us any sort of timeline on the project the NDA is related to, or is there a project at all at this point?

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Nevorick
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Posted - 12 Aug 2009 :  00:38:38  Show Profile  Visit Nevorick's Homepage Send Nevorick a Private Message
My thanks, Lady THO. I suspected that the "Horned Ring" might allow for very local teleportation. It's good to know now, before anyone tries to use it.

Good luck on your swooping.

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Jakk
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Yet another question (or set of related questions) from me...

Regarding Torm (the deity): Is there any more non-NDA'd lore available regarding his mortal kingdom of Chalsembyr beyond what is presented in Champions of Valor in the write-up regarding Chalsembyr's Heart? I'm thinking specifically of timeline and location, of course. Okay, I guess that's only one question. Many thanks!

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Menelvagor
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Posted - 12 Aug 2009 :  08:27:19  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk:
Re: the identity of the mysterious elven female Chosen... what about Symrustar Auglamyr, as mentioned in a subsequent post to the above-quoted post?


I'll requote the original, just to make it clear:

quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor:
On page 30, El has a memory where he bows over an elven woman who's deathly wounded. Silver Fire springs around her. What is interresting, however, is that it comes from her, not El. Who is this elf? The only female Elf Chosen I know of is Syrumstar Auglamyr. So is this a throwback to Elminster in Myth Drannor? When she becomes a Chosen? Or is this some other time? Or is this someone else entirely?

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One:
Menelvagor, Ed tells me that the dying elf woman in question is, to borrow your words, "someone else entirely."


"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

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Jakk
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Heh. Oops. My bad. And we've accounted for the other known female elf Chosen, Embrae Aloevan... Me big doofus. Me go think about other questions to ask Ed now... *Jakk the half-ogre trudges off trying to remain inconspicuous*

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Draenar
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I've been lurking around here for a while, now, and I'd like to thank Ed for all the amazing detail he provides for the Realms -- it's made them come to life all the more for me, and I hope I've managed to pass some of that along to my players.

I have come out of lurking to ask a question (although expressing my thanks is reason enough). Specifically, I'm looking for the name and description of any songbirds you can give me. I'd like one that is native to the Western Heartlands, especially the Berdusk area, but that has a fairly large habitat, and that tends to bright colours, especially green. (If the colour restriction is a problem, it's not that important.)

As background, I'm including in my game an artificial bird given by Finder to Cylyria Dragonbreast as a gift, to convey that he has no hard feelings towards the Harpers. The bird is entirely lifelike, and in fact intelligent, and was intended to act as a spy and messenger. (It also knows and can sing all of Finder's songs, as well as others, as a bit of a joke on Finder's part.) So, of course, a type of bird that is a common sight in many areas of the Realms would be desired.

I realize that, what with GenCon, this is a poor time to add a question to the pile, but I can just vaguely call it a "songbird" meanwhile.

Thanks.

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I can toss out a bit about a songbird that Ed had previously shared with me.

quote:
Hi, Wooly, here's a reply from Ed:


Hi, Wooly! Lyrewings haven't yet appeared in published Realmslore. They are long, slender, mist-gray birds with gray-blue wings and pinkish-gray underbellies, and they get their name for their calls, which sound like descending runs (slow chords) being played on a lyre. Very pleasant, laid-back melodic.
When these calls are answered by another lyrewing, a lyrewing switches from them into a liquid warbling that sounds like a high-pitched human or half-elven soprano singing wordlessly, in a liquid, always-have-breath-enough manner (think the female vocal from Pink Floyd's "Great Gig In The Sky" from the classic DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, only about an octave higher and with no rough or "panting" passages). Lyrewings are highly intelligent (and emotional), and can converse in this language for long stretches of communicating quite complex ideas, statements, arguments, and responses.
Sages know this, and have communicated it centuries ago to bards, wherefore bards see lyrewings as transformed human lovers, or able to witness human love and report or even advise humans on love, and so on (or at least, they depict lyrewings thus in many ballads and laments).
The approval or befriending of a lyrewing is said to betoken near-future success in love; meeting a sad lyrewing presages doom or bad times for one's relationship or lovers or loved ones, and so on.


Hope this helps.
Love,
THO

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I can toss out a bit about a songbird that Ed had previously shared with me.

quote:
Hi, Wooly, here's a reply from Ed:


Hi, Wooly! Lyrewings haven't yet appeared in published Realmslore. They are long, slender, mist-gray birds with gray-blue wings and pinkish-gray underbellies, and they get their name for their calls, which sound like descending runs (slow chords) being played on a lyre. Very pleasant, laid-back melodic.
When these calls are answered by another lyrewing, a lyrewing switches from them into a liquid warbling that sounds like a high-pitched human or half-elven soprano singing wordlessly, in a liquid, always-have-breath-enough manner (think the female vocal from Pink Floyd's "Great Gig In The Sky" from the classic DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, only about an octave higher and with no rough or "panting" passages). Lyrewings are highly intelligent (and emotional), and can converse in this language for long stretches of communicating quite complex ideas, statements, arguments, and responses.
Sages know this, and have communicated it centuries ago to bards, wherefore bards see lyrewings as transformed human lovers, or able to witness human love and report or even advise humans on love, and so on (or at least, they depict lyrewings thus in many ballads and laments).
The approval or befriending of a lyrewing is said to betoken near-future success in love; meeting a sad lyrewing presages doom or bad times for one's relationship or lovers or loved ones, and so on.


Hope this helps.
Love,
THO


Heh. I actually included a few bits on the lyrewings in my "Keys to Realms Music" submission for the published DRAGON a few years back. I built a little on Ed's original idea, though I tended to focus more on detailing the relationships between lyrewings and bards -- borrowing somewhat from Oscar Wilde's "The Nightingale and the Rose" [one of my favourite tales from among Wilde's many works].

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Draenar
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I can toss out a bit about a songbird that Ed had previously shared with me.

<snip>




Wow, that actually works near-perfectly. Especially the symbolism and connection to bards. (Though it might encourage misinterpretations of what Finder was trying to say with his gift.)

On a related note, what, if anything, can or has been revealed about Cylyria's background? (I just looked through the pdf compilations of these threads, and got only tantalizing glimpses....) I'm wondering if she might have read more into the gift (coming from a god, no less!) than Finder intended ... or whether he might have indeed intended for her to read something into it. (Sorry about that last, mangled sentence.)

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Originally posted by Draenar

Specifically, I'm looking for the name and description of any songbirds you can give me.

Also have a look at Birds of Faerûn (although it's non-canon and not by Ed).

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The Sellplague began, for all intents and purposes, in the dominions of the Corporation. Greed murdered Good Design, unraveling common sense in the cosmos and destroying her dominion. At the same time, Sales Fears and Warcraft Envy happened into alignment. This cataclysmic coincidence led to upheaval, shaking apart the primeval order, opening up holes in wallets, and reshaping everything...
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