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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 26 Jul 2009 :  15:41:47  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Jorun, your question is one I can answer, from Realmsplay (i.e. the answer comes from Ed as my DM). The answer is: "He looks a bit half-shorn."
Remember, in the Realms far fewer men and women remove facial hair (women tend to do so by plucking, but these would usually be strikingly-dark chin and cheek hairs, not a mustache). So there's no stigma whatsoever to being hairy, or stubbled, or "fuzzy." There ARE situations where such conditions are frowned upon or not tolerated - - when one is invited to sup when it's known when soup or stew is to be served, in Cormyr and the Dales, for instance. Nobles in many places (Waterdeep included) of course use specific habits or fashions to set themselves apart from non-nobles, and from time to time being clean-shaven or stubbled goes in or out of fashion, and therefore in and out of tolerance.

So saith Ed, filtered through me.
love,
THO
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Joran Nobleheart
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Posted - 26 Jul 2009 :  21:47:27  Show Profile  Visit Joran Nobleheart's Homepage Send Joran Nobleheart a Private Message
Thank you, lady fair. I know that my paladin Joran (hence the name) always remained clean shaven, though when he did toy with the idea of a beard back in '99, the party always laughed at him when it would start to itch. One even teased me (and poor Joran) about it. "How are you going to lay on hands while your scratching your chin, paladin?" This of course was hugely popular with the rest of the party who then proceeded to tease him. Needless to say, Joran shaved the next morning.

Another question, if I may. Joran is from Cormyr... are noblemen more apt to wear a beard in Cormyr, especially the landed gentry?

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Gelcur
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  00:15:13  Show Profile  Visit Gelcur's Homepage Send Gelcur a Private Message
Dearest Lady I wonder if Ed or you could speak on the topic of Durlag?

My players will be finding a stolen Shield Portal from Durlag's Tower and I was wondering if such an item would continue to function outside of the tower and more importantly if it bore a family crest? I know Durlag was known as Trollkiller and his father was named Bolhur "Thunderaxe" the Clanless.

If it can be said as to why Bolhur was clanless that would be grand as well.

Thank you much.

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Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good.
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Joran Nobleheart
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  00:19:48  Show Profile  Visit Joran Nobleheart's Homepage Send Joran Nobleheart a Private Message
Actually, on the topic of Durlag's Tower, was an adventure ever written where players began the exploration of that fabled location? It was always something I wanted to do after playing Baldur's Gate.

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Markustay
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  16:24:54  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
I was up in Lily Dale over the weekend - a far trip from where I live, despite being in NY - and I took the opportuninty to drive along the Great Lakes and visit my son (who is attending college in upstate NY).

As I stood on the shore and looked out, I realized that Canada (and ED) was just across the water... and I waved.

Silly... I know.

Anyway, thats beautiful country around there... very peaceful... and I was wondering if Ed has ever taken the opportunity to travel that region (on either side of the border). Bear in mind I have no idea what part of Canada Ed lives in, so forgive me in advance if this question sounds stupid.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  17:19:06  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Markustay, Ed has indeed traveled extensively on both sides of the border in the Ontario/New York vicinity during his fifty years (have to say that, it sounds so grandly ominous for a guy I’ve known since his teens - - and, ahem, mine), and lives about a mile from the north shore of Lake Ontario, about halfway between Toronto (third largest city in North America, so it should be on most maps ;} ) and Kingston, both of which are also on Ontario’s north shore. So if you were on the shore of Lake Erie, near Lily Dale, you were waving at a part of Ontario Ed has visited about a dozen times. If you were standing on a Lake Ontario shore, you were waving at a part of Canada Ed knows very well. If you were near Rochester, New York, you were pretty much straight across the lake from Ed. And no, that’s not silly at all. Hold to your dreams and enthusiasms, celebrate them, and be guided by them. That and good friends are what makes life worth living.

I actually have a brief, spanking-new (ummm, one of my favorite expressions; wonder why?) Realmslore reply from Ed, this time to Joran Nobleheart’s query: “Another question, if I may. Joran is from Cormyr... are noblemen more apt to wear a beard in Cormyr, especially the landed gentry?”
Ed replies:



Yes, indeed. Noblemen almost all have mustaches, long sideburns (though they may be very thin, mere “lines along the angle of the jaw” in many cases), and beards. However, LONG or shaggy facial hair is very rare among the nobility; the whole point of the fashion is to show off your wealth and idleness (i.e. I’m rich enough to have a personal barber, and idle enough that I can sit down TWICE A DAY to be trimmed and shaved). So a nobleman will ALWAYS (except when “roughing it” with Alusair or during emergencies) have clean-shaven throats, cheeks, and other areas (no untidy regions of “stubble or hairs that become a beard as one moves across the visage”), and will usually have a very close-cropped, trimmed beard and mustache. Mustaches may have long ends (either side of the mouth), but are usually like thin lines along the upper lip above the mouth; below the mouth, the chin may well be entirely covered with hair, but a noble’s beard is seldom longer than about two inches below the point of the chin, and almost always takes the form of a neat, uniform “jaw-fringe” from this point all along the edges of the jaw, continuously to merge with “daggerboard” sideburns in front of the ear.
Young nobles, very fair-haired nobles, and anyone who for whatever reason can’t grow (or can’t have at the moment) a tidy, continuous beard, will be clean-shaven - - but even then, pencil-line-thin (or bushier) mustaches and sideburns will be maintained if at all possible. Dying of facial hair to keep it dark is sometimes done, but only utter fops dye their hair any hue other than a color that attempts to match its natural hue, and scenting facial hair is a fashion that comes and goes (mostly goes) with the passing years.
Interestingly, the upland landed gentry have always clung to a habit of “going shaggy” for a tenday or so, here and there, usually when hunting or at lambing or horsebreeding time. This is a signal to all that I’m “not at home” in my persona as Lord So-and-so right now; I’m on vacation, so to speak, and can be dealt with as an equal by anyone, but am temporarily not interested in the obligations and frippery courtesies of being a noble. (It does not of course actually release practitioners from the obligations of being noble, though the ruling Obarskyrs tend to respect it except during emergencies; if a king should awaken at the royal hunting lodge and see a few “shaggy” nobles at the morningfeast table, it means they want to share time with him as a plain-speaking friend and fellow hunter, not bring their heralds and trade factors and other servants along, and speak with formal dignity. It’s the sort of occasion when it was perfectly all right to, say, address oneself to King Azoun IV with the unadorned words, “Hoyeh! Pass yon butter, Longshanks!” and he might either pass it, or belch and reply, “Hook a finger into it yourself, Bentnose!” . . . and when Filfaeril might come to the table with her hair all wild from slumber, clad in old hunting breeches, and be addressed as “Fee” or perhaps “Crownlass” by everyone at the table. (Of course, it was NOT free license to be as rude as possible to royalty, or anyone else; folk didn’t entirely forget or ignore what was said at such occasions. It WAS a male noble’s best chance to, say, tell Filfaeril a dirty joke without half a hundred courtiers overhearing and promptly spreading gossip about it.)
Now, as those of us who have beards and mustaches and sideburns know, it’s possible with the air of a sharp razor or scissors, mirrors, and good lightning to keep oneself in fair trim when it comes to mustaches, beards, and even sideburns and neck and cheek shaving, so not all nobles actually have personal barbers, or use their services twice a day; that’s merely the look being striven for.



So saith Ed, reigning expert on Cormyrean facial fashion (ask him sometime about the Calishite and Tashlutan fashion for setting cabochon-cut polished gems into the cheeks of wealthy females).
He hopes to be back to regular Realmslore replies very soon. gomez, I’ll PM you about our play-related matter (done!) very soon, too.
love to all,
THO
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Kuje
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  17:30:37  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Markustay, Ed has indeed traveled extensively on both sides of the border in the Ontario/New York vicinity during his fifty years (have to say that, it sounds so grandly ominous for a guy I’ve known since his teens - - and, ahem, mine), and lives about a mile from the north shore of Lake Ontario, about halfway between Toronto (third largest city in North America, so it should be on most maps ;} ) and Kingston, both of which are also on Ontario’s north shore. So if you were on the shore of Lake Erie, near Lily Dale, you were waving at a part of Ontario Ed has visited about a dozen times. If you were standing on a Lake Ontario shore, you were waving at a part of Canada Ed knows very well. If you were near Rochester, New York, you were pretty much straight across the lake from Ed. And no, that’s not silly at all. Hold to your dreams and enthusiasms, celebrate them, and be guided by them. That and good friends are what makes life worth living.



I'm glad Mark didn't come through Rochester on Saturday. It was nasty here and we got hit by two tornadoes! First time in almost 80 years that one has touched down within Rochester's city limits/suburbs.

Darn Mark, you could have came by and visited. :)

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Menelvagor
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Israel
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  18:16:05  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
Interesting... how long are those sideburns? I ask because as an orthdox jew, we have to grow sideburns, at least until the cheekbone (think where glasses would be). But they're usually grown until the top of the earlobe. They often join a beard. And quite a few jews (including myself) grow out the hair from above the ears into long locks. These are called in Hebrew 'Payot'. So I wonder if these exist in the realms, or among nobles.
Here's a link to Wikipedia, for some info and pictures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payot

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Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  18:35:32  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

<snip> ... and good lightning ... <snip>



Well, that explains the 'frizziness' of Ed's beard

And, speaking as someone with a long time goatee, I can attest that at times when proper trimming utensils were not handy, a comb and razor performed well enough to trim back the errant beard.

This answer, of course, leads me to question further on the 'facial habits' of other nations/cities like Waterdeep, the Dales, Sembia and such. Could we get a look into what's currently in fashion (for both men and women) in various well-known locales?

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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panics
Acolyte

Canada
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  20:10:23  Show Profile  Visit panics's Homepage Send panics a Private Message
Hello lady,

I was wondering, because of Markus silly wave ;), if Ed ever visited fair Quebec City ? If he hasn't, I would suggest him, if he likes very old buildings ;)

Also, very impressed to hear to not so much of what Ed created for the realms hadn't been published ! Wizards would win to make an FR Magazine !
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Arivia
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Canada
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  20:17:13  Show Profile
Random question that occured to me while reading the news:

Ed, what are auction houses like in the Realms? Additionally, what's art patronage and industry like? Are there popular or celebrity painters, sculptors, etc, and do they take their works to auction?
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Joran Nobleheart
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USA
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  20:23:04  Show Profile  Visit Joran Nobleheart's Homepage Send Joran Nobleheart a Private Message
Hmm... so it seems that Joran's different than the rest of the Cormyrian landed nobles. Perhaps I'll have to amend that and give Joran a fine mustache and goatee (like the one I have). Thank you!

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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  20:25:20  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
Or, it may be his way of 'rebelling' against the established nobility (not the crown, of course, but the snivelling nobles and their fashions)!

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  21:47:45  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
The place where I waved from was actually at the mouth of the St. Lawrence River - but I skirted both Lake Eerie and Lake Ontario. I had decided to take the 'scenic route' around the Lakes, taking something called "The Seaview Trail" (which only occassionally allowed a view to the water). I stopped at that particluar place because it was interesting (and I had to go... ya know...), and it had a GREAT vantage point - there was some old historical plague there saying it was a French Fort called "La' Lookout" or some-such.

I ended up there because I went to Morris Town to see my son... and then found-out when I got there he was about three hours south in Morrisville!

However, I would not have gotten to see what was probably one of the most beautiful parts of my country if not for that blunder, so it wasn't a waste (and I had dinner with my son, rather then lunch).

quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

I'm glad Mark didn't come through Rochester on Saturday. It was nasty here and we got hit by two tornadoes! First time in almost 80 years that one has touched down within Rochester's city limits/suburbs.

Darn Mark, you could have came by and visited. :)

The road I was on was closed because of those Tornados!

I was told there were ten of them, and the Econo-Lodge I got stuck at (because the storm became so bad I couldn't see anymore), was FILLED with people who got stuck because of that freakish storm.

BTW, I had tried to stay in Buffalo when that storm broke-out, but EVERY room in the city (and outside of it) was filled with Lawyers! It appears the Barr exams are held there that weekend, and Lawyers converge there from all over the world to take it.

I have seen the ultimate in evil... a city of Lawyers...

Drow have NOTHING on them.

And they were even scarrier then the Tornados... and probably more destructve...

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Herkles
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  23:20:37  Show Profile  Visit Herkles's Homepage Send Herkles a Private Message
I have a question for Ed.

Do any of the deities have any saints in the realms and if so could one give a couple of examples of them? Also what of holy texts, do any deities have any holy text associated with them? Also what about other ways of worship such as ancestor worship? is that practiced in any of the religions in the realms? I can see it applying to races like elves or dwarves, but not sure if it is in the realms or not.

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Joran Nobleheart
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  23:21:51  Show Profile  Visit Joran Nobleheart's Homepage Send Joran Nobleheart a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

Or, it may be his way of 'rebelling' against the established nobility (not the crown, of course, but the snivelling nobles and their fashions)!

Good point! Maybe it's a seasonal thing he does... beard in the winter, clean shaven in spring/summer?

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 :  23:58:17  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Joran, more lore coming your way when I can (got your message). I would stress that your PC can be clean-shaven if he wants to, because of course many nobles LIKE to be mavericks, or set fashions rather than follow them, or yes, rebel against parents or kin. :}
Which lets you do just what you'd prefer, either way.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 28 Jul 2009 :  00:09:04  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
panics,
ED has indeed visited Quebec City, and loves it. These days he usually stays in a B&B-like co-op hotel situated on the same park that has the American Consulate on one side, and the Chateau on the other (the hotel is on the third side, the river [actually, the drop to the Old Town] being the fourth. But he's been known to stay at the Chateau, too. Lovely bistros.
I like the cannonball embedded in the tree, and Ed loves to play solitaire with the nuns at their museum. ;}
love,
THO
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Zandilar
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Posted - 28 Jul 2009 :  00:45:57  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
So saith Ed, reigning expert on Cormyrean facial fashion (ask him sometime about the Calishite and Tashlutan fashion for setting cabochon-cut polished gems into the cheeks of wealthy females).



That sounds very painful! Consider him asked.

How do they do it? Is it just in the skin, or are they set in the bone of the cheek (given that's where the skin/flesh is thinnest)? Is it just a single gem, or a pattern of multiple gems? It is totally a fashion thing, or is there some other cultural significance/meaning to it (and if so, what is it)? And is there something equivalent that the men do?

Zandilar
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The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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Aysen
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Posted - 28 Jul 2009 :  03:31:53  Show Profile  Visit Aysen's Homepage Send Aysen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar

Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
So saith Ed, reigning expert on Cormyrean facial fashion (ask him sometime about the Calishite and Tashlutan fashion for setting cabochon-cut polished gems into the cheeks of wealthy females).



That sounds very painful! Consider him asked.

How do they do it? Is it just in the skin, or are they set in the bone of the cheek (given that's where the skin/flesh is thinnest)? Is it just a single gem, or a pattern of multiple gems? It is totally a fashion thing, or is there some other cultural significance/meaning to it (and if so, what is it)? And is there something equivalent that the men do?



I couldn't help but notice that LHO didn't mention which set of cheeks were inset with gems on wealthy females ....although if it were the nether-more cheeks, simple horseriding and sitting would be mightily uncomfortable if not impossible. Still, its not the most wince-inducing description Ed's fertile imagination has conjured up, and if one's really wealthy, well there's always palanquins!

Btw, thanks LHO for the little tidbit about the merfolk-cooker and Torm's lack of restraint
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createvmind
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Posted - 28 Jul 2009 :  04:44:22  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Hello All,

Ed does Mystra herself safegaurd the true names of her chosen preventing their enemies from gaining advantage through truename magic?
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Joran Nobleheart
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Posted - 28 Jul 2009 :  10:30:15  Show Profile  Visit Joran Nobleheart's Homepage Send Joran Nobleheart a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Joran, more lore coming your way when I can (got your message). I would stress that your PC can be clean-shaven if he wants to, because of course many nobles LIKE to be mavericks, or set fashions rather than follow them, or yes, rebel against parents or kin. :}
Which lets you do just what you'd prefer, either way.
love,
THO

All right, thank you milady. I'm really looking forward to seeing what comes back. And again, I hope you didn't mind the message. If so, I humbly apologize and beg your forgiveness.

And I'll keep all of that in mind for Joran, who even now was getting ready to suffer through the growing in of a beard. He just rushed off to his keep due to your timely message thanks to a friendly little ring of teleportation and lovingly pulled out his razor, scratching at his cheeks while mumbling about noble customs. Poor guy... paladins do suffer from time to time due to fashion!

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Blueblade
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Posted - 29 Jul 2009 :  18:54:07  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Dear Ed and THO,
I'm looking for the names of a few families who were very wealthy but NOT noble, in Suzail and/or Marsember, who "went bust" but didn't die out (it's okay if they scattered out of Cormyr).
I can of course easily make some up, but if Ed has anything, I'd rather follow canon.
Thanks!
BB
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 30 Jul 2009 :  19:14:54  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, Blueblade.
I can think of one, off the top of my head, from campaign play: the Narnantheirs. Formerly a powerhouse in weaving and import and export of bulk textiles, the Narnantheir ("Nar-NAN-theer") family is now scattered and poor, with some of the sons living in Suzail's shady districts, living hand-to-mouth.
love,
THO
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Purple Dragon Knight
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Canada
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Posted - 31 Jul 2009 :  02:38:06  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

panics,
ED has indeed visited Quebec City, and loves it. These days he usually stays in a B&B-like co-op hotel situated on the same park that has the American Consulate on one side, and the Chateau on the other (the hotel is on the third side, the river [actually, the drop to the Old Town] being the fourth. But he's been known to stay at the Chateau, too. Lovely bistros.
I like the cannonball embedded in the tree, and Ed loves to play solitaire with the nuns at their museum. ;}
love,
THO

Nice. Love that canonball... dunno why... :)

If he likes the Chateau and feels like celebrating, tell him to try the venison at "Le Champlain" Restaurant, inside the Chateau facing the cliff overlooking the St.Lawrence river... *do* go for dessert, as they bring the whole kitchen on a rolling tray (about a dozen WHOLE cakes, pies, millefeuilles, cheesecakes, etc.) for you to choose AT THE TABLE! (ok, I only did this once; was wearing a tux; and the lady I was dating at the time was very, very, very impressed... bill over $300 and all... very impressed I say! as in, I got my money's worth... and more! )

Edited by - Purple Dragon Knight on 31 Jul 2009 02:43:46
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