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Blueblade
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USA
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 :  02:25:35  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Heh. Apropos of those GenCon eats, I remember sitting in the Marriott lobby playing a boardgame with friends, and seeing Ed rush from Champions (the Marriott sports bar, where he'd been at a table with staffers of a certain game company) across the hotel lobby to the Circle City Bar & Grill (the 'upscale' Marriott resto, where he had a dinner date with one of his New York publishers), stopping for a moment to chat with Bob Salvatore and his wife in the bar lounge area . . . and about an hour later reappearing from the Circle City and rushing back out into the lobby to rendezvous with Wizards staffers to catch a taxi to another eatery for a WotC dinner . . . then arriving back to sit down with some friends who were waiting for him in the bar lounge.
So, THO, does Ed gain about twenty pounds each GenCon? Or does he sweat it all off, rushing around like a looney to get to all of these places?
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Sage of Stars
Seeker

USA
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 :  02:31:42  Show Profile  Visit Sage of Stars's Homepage Send Sage of Stars a Private Message
My turn to "Heh."
A kindly word of GenCon advice, for those thinking of sitting and chatting with Ed: DON'T ever, ever try to drink the man under a table. In recent years, he usually has only two drinks or so of an evening, but I once attended a publisher's "liquid lunch" where a certain (New York book, not game) publisher, and that publisher's contracts lawyer, tried to get Ed drunk to twist his arm on some book contract terms.
Ed just sat there smiling and emptying every drink they brought him. They were reeling in a few hours, and Ed was . . . getting amused at their attempts to get him inebriated. Much to the delight of the rest of us.
Now to keep this Realms-relevant, Ed at that very same lunch made mention of three Realms novels he started, long ago, but never finished. Would he be willing to tell us where and when they were set, and who the protagonists were? Pleeeease?
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Dark Wizard
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USA
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 :  03:34:26  Show Profile Send Dark Wizard a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Interesting. I had a feeling this would likely the case, as I recall a similar discussion where Ed outlined some of his original campaign ideas for the region.

The NDA is particularly welcome news for me, as I've often had my own ideas about further developing the Akanamere and Blade Kingdoms region.



Is there a transcript/archive I can read of this discussion where Ed mentioned his original ideas for the region?
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Zandilar
Learned Scribe

Australia
313 Posts

Posted - 24 Jun 2009 :  04:28:32  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

I was studying to be a librarian myself when the course changed from Social Science to Business... Subjects like Psychology became Macro Economics, and Accounting. So, I dropped out.

Reading that makes me glad things turned out the way they did. I honestly don't think being a librarian was the career for me.

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.

Edited by - Zandilar on 24 Jun 2009 04:33:51
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 :  05:47:56  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dark Wizard

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Interesting. I had a feeling this would likely the case, as I recall a similar discussion where Ed outlined some of his original campaign ideas for the region.

The NDA is particularly welcome news for me, as I've often had my own ideas about further developing the Akanamere and Blade Kingdoms region.



Is there a transcript/archive I can read of this discussion where Ed mentioned his original ideas for the region?

I'm sure it's somewhere in the "So Saith Ed" archives, as that's where I remember reading it [I think it was taken from the REALMS-L]. I'll have check for it myself.

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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore

Finland
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 :  06:17:03  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message
Uzzy, as a librarian I will echo Ed's words (and he said it so well that I don't know if I can add anything)... it can be the most tedious or rewarding job in the world, and a lot depends on your co-workers, general working atmosphere, location, size, and so on. Of course, love of books and reading plus getting the degree is a good start, but it doesn't stop there -- you need to read *constantly* (and not just works from your preferred genre, but also what we call "required reading") and keep up with the current "clack" (both in libraries and publishing industry, e.g. by reading journals, lists, blogs and sites dedicated to literature, publishing and libraries).
All this requires adaptibility, speed-reading and personal sacrifices on your spare time.

You also need to know a bit about, well, pretty much everything, and even if you don't, you need to at least know how to search and identify the relevant sources where the information is to be found (e.g. the relevant titles in the library catalog or on the shelves or references/documents in an online database). A good librarian knows how to analyze people and interpret their questions and needs (for example, someone asking for a certain issue of a magazine might only want a single tidbit of information which might be found directly on the Internet). You need to think, read and analyze things quickly (analytical thinking also helps a lot with cataloguing ;)).

Also, these days you need good social skills as well, at least in most public libraries (in big libraries you *could* just apply for cataloging or closed stacks).

If you ask me, it's occasionally far more stressful than I could ever imagine before my studies, but most of the time it feels like my dream job.

"What am I doing today? Ask me tomorrow - I can be sure of giving you the right answer then."
-- Askarran of Selgaunt, Master Sage, speaking to a curious merchant, Year of the Helm
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gomez
Learned Scribe

Netherlands
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 :  06:34:02  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
With a few word replacements, that sounds like a webmaster, but without the decent salary.
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khorne
Master of Realmslore

Finland
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 :  10:17:21  Show Profile  Visit khorne's Homepage  Click to see khorne's MSN Messenger address Send khorne a Private Message
I'll also chime in on the librarian issue, since my mum is a librarian. At least in Finland it doesn't pay very well (despite the fact that you have to study for a long time to become a librarian), and the libraries are also among the first to get the axe when authorities decide to save some money.
Dunno about hidebound, but according to my mother one problem is that librarians as a group are rather timid, and not good at roaring loudly in protest when budget cuts head their way. Of course, there are also plenty of good things about being a librarian. Otherwise my mother wouldn't be one, after all.

If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 :  15:08:58  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
I have certain... fantasies... concerning Librarians....

And Elves and Dwarves are not involved in that particular fantasy (although a dwarf could be entertaining, to say the least).

Anyhow, I tried to pull it off (talk about pulling some major strings... I was up to renting a car...), but no can do on Gencon once again. Its my oldest boy's 21st birthday on the 13th of Aug, and we already had a week-long trip planned to Virginia.

Which I conveniently forgot about until reminded...

<sigh> There's always next year.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 24 Jun 2009 15:09:59
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader

USA
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 :  16:39:59  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I have certain... fantasies... concerning Librarians....


Same here... Did you spend too much time watching the old Batman show when Batgirl was on like I did?
quote:

And Elves and Dwarves are not involved in that particular fantasy (although a dwarf could be entertaining, to say the least).

Anyhow, I tried to pull it off (talk about pulling some major strings... I was up to renting a car...), but no can do on Gencon once again. Its my oldest boy's 21st birthday on the 13th of Aug, and we already had a week-long trip planned to Virginia.

Which I conveniently forgot about until reminded...

<sigh> There's always next year.


My offer still stands if you want.

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 :  17:34:20  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
<sigh> There's always next year.



Hopefully, I'll see you there.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore

Finland
1564 Posts

Posted - 24 Jun 2009 :  22:32:55  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I have certain... fantasies... concerning Librarians....


<sigh> There's always next year.



Well, we need to do something about those fantasies... here's a picture of my former colleague -- enjoy!

http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=Hui_hai&image_id=59858350

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 25 Jun 2009 :  01:51:33  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. I bring thee this time the words of Ed of the Greenwood in response to this, from Sage of Stars: ". . .Ed at that very same lunch made mention of three Realms novels he started, long ago, but never finished. Would he be willing to tell us where and when they were set, and who the protagonists were? Pleeeease?"
Ed replies:


Of course I'm willing. :} (Pause for obligatory THO double entendre.) Just so long as everyone understands these are fragmentary, unfinished, rather clumsy juvenalia; attempts at storytelling better left buried rather than "ready to go" novels that someone should rush into print, okay?

The first novel was to be a tale of Mirt getting deeper and deeper into mercantile scrapes with a hitherto-unknown-to-him cabal of sinister merchants, and Durnan finally going to his rescue. Waterdeep and Sword Coast dagger-in-alley intrigue.

The second novel was to be a Saint-style (the Leslie Charteris flippant rogue character, not a religious title) "rebel Waterdhavian noble" getting into lots of trouble amongst guilds, fellow nobles, and corrupt Palace courtiers, in Waterdeep.

The third novel was to be a young librarian lass in Neverwinter figuring out the hiding-place of long-hidden treasure by idly puzzling out what's in a particular book in the library she works in, almost getting murdered, and fleeing Neverwinter with some unlikely Mutt-and-Jeff style mercenaries (a smart-mouthed thief and a lumbering warrior, the originals of Craer and Hawkril in my Aglirta books) as opportunistic protectors. They go to Silverymoon, where the treasure is said to be hidden, and plunge headlong into some REAL intrigues (sinister elves, half-elves, and jaded/sophisticated upper crust spellcasters galore) there, becoming a truly-loyal-to-each-other team as the book progresses.

Those are tales I'll probably never write, now. On the other hand, you could bombard Wizards with demands for them, and perhaps, just perhaps . . . probably set more than a century after they were originally intended to be set . . .


So saith Ed. Who's probably kidding when he talks about bombarding Wizards. No, REALLY.
love to all,
THO
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Zandilar
Learned Scribe

Australia
313 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2009 :  02:22:18  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
The third novel was to be a young librarian lass in Neverwinter figuring out the hiding-place of long-hidden treasure by idly puzzling out what's in a particular book in the library she works in, almost getting murdered, and fleeing Neverwinter with some unlikely Mutt-and-Jeff style mercenaries (a smart-mouthed thief and a lumbering warrior, the originals of Craer and Hawkril in my Aglirta books) as opportunistic protectors. They go to Silverymoon, where the treasure is said to be hidden, and plunge headlong into some REAL intrigues (sinister elves, half-elves, and jaded/sophisticated upper crust spellcasters galore) there, becoming a truly-loyal-to-each-other team as the book progresses.


Reverse the genders of all three protagonists, and that could have been interesting.

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer

USA
1081 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2009 :  02:57:59  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Hopefully, I'll see you there.
Nice. Planning a return trip to Gen Con in 2010 George?

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GoCeraf
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Posted - 25 Jun 2009 :  04:16:09  Show Profile  Visit GoCeraf's Homepage Send GoCeraf a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion



Well, we need to do something about those fantasies... here's a picture of my former colleague -- enjoy!

http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=Hui_hai&image_id=59858350



Hello, inopportunistic curiosity. I missed you so.


On the subject of librarians, what social class generally finds itself supplying them in the Realms? I'm kind of keeping certain libraries, such as the "real" Candlekeep, out of the questioning on this one. This would focus instead on libraries of the mundane, like old research journals and literature. Are the librarians of the Realms prone to particular personalities or natures, and is the vocation typically well-paid? What regions tend to have smaller, public-style libraries the most?

All the best,
Wolfram

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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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Posted - 25 Jun 2009 :  05:51:54  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Hopefully, I'll see you there.
Nice. Planning a return trip to Gen Con in 2010 George?



I turn 40 next years and am "negotiating" regarding getting to GEN-CON as a birthday present. The decision will most likely revolve around GFC-issues and my spouse's generosity of spirit ... but here's hoping.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Kajehase
Great Reader

Sweden
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Posted - 25 Jun 2009 :  09:58:56  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I have certain... fantasies... concerning Librarians....


<sigh> There's always next year.



Well, we need to do something about those fantasies... here's a picture of my former colleague -- enjoy!

http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=Hui_hai&image_id=59858350



We could also get him a DVD-box set of Sally (did they run that in Finland?).

On the topic of working as a librarian, I should also note that one thing I picked up in my two weeks of studying to become one (before I realised I needed to get away from schoolbooks for a while or go slightly bonkers) is that there's more money to be had from working as a corporate librarian than as a publicl sector one (though the public libraries seem like more rewarding work environments to me).

There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett

Edited by - Kajehase on 25 Jun 2009 10:04:04
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Blueblade
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USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2009 :  15:40:07  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
And having dated a lovely and spirited (that's politespeak for voracious and raring anywhere, anytime) lady who had worked in both public and corporate environments, I can echo that opinion; she said the same thing.
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Baleful Avatar
Learned Scribe

Canada
161 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2009 :  19:57:21  Show Profile  Visit Baleful Avatar's Homepage Send Baleful Avatar a Private Message
Dear Ed and Lady THO,
Inspired by the post count in this Questions thread right now (1812 before I post this, and 1813 with this post, a reminder to me of something I studied in depth in my academic er, career: the 1812-1815 war between Canada and the USA, which Canada won [!]), I am moved to ask about warfare between Cormyr and Westgate, which has also been skirmishes and raids across a narrow body of water. Is it the presence of Sembia (as the opportunistic elephant in the room) and the damage to trading prosperity that has largely kept these two traditional antagonists from going at it, all-out, in recent times? Or are the leaders of both places wise enough to avoid open large-scale war (as opposed to afraid to/faced with sufficient disincentives to)?
Thanks!
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Broken Helm
Learned Scribe

USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2009 :  20:00:56  Show Profile  Visit Broken Helm's Homepage Send Broken Helm a Private Message
Blueblade, did you mean to say this sometime lady partner of yours worked in public and corporate libraries, at various times? Or other work ("environments" covers a lot of ground)? Or did she work in BOTH corporate and public libraries (or something elses) at the same time?
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Blueblade
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USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2009 :  20:05:24  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Heh. Sorry.
Yes, I meant to say that she'd worked in a public library (and took courses to upgrade her professional skills at the same time), then got a corporate librarian job, then later got "headhunted" back to a much higher position in a public library.
And from her own experiences, said much the same as Kajehase posted here.
But to add a little more Realms relevance to this: Ed and THO, are there "headhunting" organizations or individuals in large cities (or particular realms or regions) of the Realms?
[I mean "head hunting" as in the "find suitable skilled person and offer job" sense, not bounty hunting or assassination.]
Thanks!
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
14550 Posts

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Does Amn have a national flag, symbol, heraldry, or 'colors'?

I'm asking this of Ed, but anyone (like Steven Schend) who may have an answer is more then welcome to pitch-in.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore

Finland
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Posted - 26 Jun 2009 :  02:09:50  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase

quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I have certain... fantasies... concerning Librarians....


<sigh> There's always next year.



Well, we need to do something about those fantasies... here's a picture of my former colleague -- enjoy!

http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=Hui_hai&image_id=59858350



We could also get him a DVD-box set of Sally (did they run that in Finland?).

On the topic of working as a librarian, I should also note that one thing I picked up in my two weeks of studying to become one (before I realised I needed to get away from schoolbooks for a while or go slightly bonkers) is that there's more money to be had from working as a corporate librarian than as a publicl sector one (though the public libraries seem like more rewarding work environments to me).



On top of my head I can't recall them ever showing Sally here. And it's true that you can't make a lot of money as a public librarian, and even in Helsinki (our capital city) you get paid the average salary at best. Private companies pay better, but it's not a stable job -- I remember three librarians I met who were working for a major company around here and really enjoyed their work... they all lost their jobs last year when the company decided their researchers should use databases and libraries themselves.

Even though the pay is not good, I personally like the stability and enjoy the work in public libraries.

"What am I doing today? Ask me tomorrow - I can be sure of giving you the right answer then."
-- Askarran of Selgaunt, Master Sage, speaking to a curious merchant, Year of the Helm
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gomez
Learned Scribe

Netherlands
254 Posts

Posted - 26 Jun 2009 :  10:30:10  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar

Reverse the genders of all three protagonists, and that could have been interesting.



Or just make all of them women. As long as they are not all seven-sister-like hot babes. We need more strong women that are not stunningly beautiful, imo.

Talking about strong women: excepting some specific groups or cultures, the Realms are less gender-baised, right? Does that mean the boss of a crime syndicate, the hired mercenary, or the bully thug has equal chance of being male or female?
I am particularly interested in the gender 'demographics' of such type of groups in areas such as Cormyr, the Dragoncoast, and the Dalelands.

(Note: not that I do not already try to spread genders across the NPCs I use - barring some specifc groups - but it may help to instruct my authors)

Edited by - gomez on 26 Jun 2009 10:32:47
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