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Malcolm
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Posted - 02 Jun 2009 :  00:41:50  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
What a great idea! I'd like to put in a very similar request to BA's, if I may, but I'd like human names of Laerakond/Returned Abeir, five or six male and five or six female first names.

Er, pre-Spellplague (when the continent was either on Abeir, far from Toril, or on Toril but incommunicado) OR post-Spellplague, Ed's choice.

Thanks!
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Markustay
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Posted - 02 Jun 2009 :  06:52:24  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade

Dear Ed and Lady THO,
Because Halruaa and Netheril have or have had skyships, the idea of "contraption" flight (as opposed to aerial steeds) must be well-known in the Realms. Are the Lantanna or anyone else at work, pre-Spellplague, on new or alternative flying machines? Gliders? Dirigibles/balloons?
Shou-Lung has been using Kites in a glider-like fashion since 1357 DR, and was experimenting with them for military applications (reconnaissance, ariel bombardnment, ect...)

Also, Elves and other humans have from time-to-time developed and tinkered-with flying ships, as per the 261 DR timeline entry in Ed's Athalantar article.

A dirigible-like airship was used in the novel Once Around the Realms... but it was supposedly Halruaan, so one must assume it was an 'outdated' and antiquated model (which makes sense, since it was basically decommissioned and sold for scrap).

There was also a skyship 'out of' the Utter East in the Old Grey Box, but it's origins were unknown.

And of course there is The Lost Ship - another of Ed's creations.

Airflight is nothing new to the Realms... and may even be more reliable then our own... all things considered.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


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The Sage
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Don't forget the amazing Da Vinci-esque "flying creations" of DaRoni's Workshop from the Aurora's Whole Realms Catalogue tome.

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Menelvagor
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Posted - 02 Jun 2009 :  10:25:06  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
Another question brought on by finals:
Is there a concept of Physics in the Realms? Like, Gravity, or laws of motion? Are any laws of physics non-existent in the Realms because of the magic?

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

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BEAST
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Posted - 02 Jun 2009 :  14:25:27  Show Profile  Visit BEAST's Homepage Send BEAST a Private Message
Might one learn the date (month, & day) of the Festival of the Founding in Menzoberranzan? It's been established that the Founding occurred in the year -3917 DR (GHOTR), but I haven't been able to track down the date of the Festival commemorating the event.

Some of us scribes were discussing the canonicity of the short story "The Fires of Narbondel" over in <another scroll>, and the events there take place right around the time of the Festival. We could actually pinpoint the chronological setting of that story down to a specific trio of days and year, if we knew when the Festival takes place each year.

"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
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Gelcur
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Posted - 02 Jun 2009 :  18:28:27  Show Profile  Visit Gelcur's Homepage Send Gelcur a Private Message
I was recently researching foods to present to my party for breakfast.

Then I remembered "Hand of Fire" had some breakfast scenes on the road. Looking through it I saw mention of Thrusk which got me curious.

What exactly is it? Its used as a morning pick me up what is it made from, what does it taste like? I know they refer to it tasting like boiled boots at one point. If prepared correctly does it ever taste good?

If either Ed or the Hooded Lady could shed some light on this odd drink it would be much appreciated.

The party come to a town befallen by hysteria

Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good.
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Markustay
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Posted - 02 Jun 2009 :  21:45:09  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
I'm working on new map of the Inner Sea (hopefully, for use in 4e, and older edition campaigns), and checking the original FR map that came in the old grey box, I see an island called 'Earthspur' east of Prespur - was this island renamed 'The Dragonisle', or was this some other island?

On another note, the shape of that island (the Dragonisle) appears different on nearly every single map, and the most official source for it - Pirates of the Fallen Stars - actually has the 'least attractive' representation of it. I always try to defer to Fonstad maps (since you informed me that that was the most accurate), but in this case, there isn't any showing a close-up of that area. I was just wondering, on what map is it shown the most accurate, according to your original? Would it be that one on the 1eCS map? The 2e campaign map shows it pretty-much the same layout.

Edit: One last thing - is there a name for the small island just north of Prespur?

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 :  02:06:28  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. Great queries, Markustay; I'm sure Ed will come through with a reply soon.
As for thrusk, Gelcur, Ed's notes serve us all once more:

Thrusk is a brewed drink made by boiling the roots and leaves of a very tough wild grass, thrusk, that grows in tufts from long underground roots (somewhat like ferns do), and can therefore survive long droughts and hot sun. Thrusk is sustenance grazing for horses, livestock, and pack animals, because its ropy, slightly-licorice-like bitterness is always strong.
As a drink, it is tan-brown, with a hot-chocolate-like "muck" sediment that precipitates out of the liquid at the bottom of every mug or tankard (and can be saved to be drenched with hot water later to produce a drink that's a weak echo of real brewed thrusk, and is sometimes called "echo"). Good thrusk is bitter but warming to the chest, and bracing, with that nutty, licorice-like undertone; it's an acquired taste, but popular among many wayfarers and caravan merchants because it warms the body (rapidly decreasing numbness in cold extremities), clears foul tastes from the mouth (and what we would call "morning breath" and the Realms knows as "tonguefoul"), and banishes headaches that don't have a severe concussion or head-wound cause (so drunkards with hangovers are still hung over, but lose any splitting headache they may have). Dipping bun-loaves (currant-studded hardbread, sometimes sliced into fingers in what our modern real world calls "biscotti") into thrusk for a sweet/bitter swift morningfeast snack ("daybreak-swallow" to folk of the Realms) is becoming increasingly popular.


So saith Ed (or rather, wrote Ed), and there you have it: thrusk, demystified.
love to all,
THO
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gomez
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Netherlands
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 :  08:22:55  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

...busy finishing up the 2008 Spin A Yarn tale right now...


I'm looking forward to the Spin-a-Yarn event this year (I'll be attending for a change to bring forth a suggestion or two).
Do you know if Ed will attend the FR event that follows it, or any others?

Gomez,
who'll be running a few of the Dungeon Delves, but may be coaxed into running a (L)FR game as well
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Barshevy
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 :  09:28:18  Show Profile  Visit Barshevy's Homepage Send Barshevy a Private Message
A question for the Lady, if I may : was Lord Mourngrym of Shadowdale a player's character in your "home games" with Ed?

The Search for Morn * Combat Spreadsheet * Combat Map *
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George Krashos
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 :  12:35:16  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Barshevy

A question for the Lady, if I may : was Lord Mourngrym of Shadowdale a player's character in your "home games" with Ed?



He was an NPC.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Gelcur
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 :  14:02:38  Show Profile  Visit Gelcur's Homepage Send Gelcur a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

So saith Ed (or rather, wrote Ed), and there you have it: thrusk, demystified.
love to all,
THO



Thank you dear lady. I can only imagine the numerous things Ed has written down. A product of just tidbits like this would be great. Sort of an encyclopedia with short entries of just all this flavor. *sigh*

Well I hope Ed is feeling well and that you are your always frisky self.

The party come to a town befallen by hysteria

Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good.
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gomez
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Netherlands
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 :  21:11:03  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Gelcur

[quote]Originally posted by The Hooded One

A product of just tidbits like this would be great. Sort of an encyclopedia with short entries of just all this flavor.


I thought of the same thing.
Anyone interested to make one?
I actually took the above description and divided it in several entries. I thought of starting a list, but I don't have much material or time to delve for it, though I could compile it if supplied with material.

Gomez
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 :  21:42:13  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.

Gelcur: yep, I'm my usual frisky self. Care to try me?

gomez, I LOVE that idea, but I'm not sure it's wise, right now. We're still waiting for Wizards to develop the website policy, and although they may well keep us waiting forever, I don't want to shove them into any "stop this at all costs" stance by doing the wrong thing.
More lore, coming up . . .
love,
THO

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althen artren
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 :  21:45:13  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message
Oh Glorious Master Creator, Bane of All Irrational Change
and Friend of Reasoned Thought Process..

oh never mind, Hi Ed and Hoodie.

I was wondering, in one of the Swords books there is a blurb Elminster says
to Manshoon about is mating with beholders but that is never finished.
I don't suppose I could liquor you up and get you to spill more detail, could I?

*holding a jack of german honey ale out*

HMMMMM?
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 :  21:52:54  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Longtime Lurker, re. this: "Dear THO, Can you tell us if Ed is a "foodie" who eats at classy restaurants a lot, or is a chef (which I'm defining here as someone who creates their own dishes, often, and feels comfortable doing so because they're very familiar with the properties and tastes of foods), or makes wine or cheese or farms or something of the sort?
Or does he truly "make it all up" when writing as Volo the restaurant critic?
I've always been curious about this . . ."

Heh. Ed would love to eat at classy restaurants a lot, and loves eating at just plain simple ones, too (he hates crowding and noise, but also hates dress codes and overly fussy formality). He can't afford to do either much, however, and since heart troubles and onset of diabetes has to be quite careful about how he eats.
Which I suppose makes him a "foodie" of sorts, being as he's now far more interested in what he eats and can't eat and wholesome home- or local-grown food (Ed lives in the country). Ed will tell you he's always been intensely interested in food, but he means by that that he was always ravenously hungry as a kid and teen, had a hellish work and commuting schedule that kept him hungry often as an adult, too, and now has to be careful of what he eats.
Yes, Ed loves some Food Network shows (GOOD EATS with Alton Brown prominent among them), and Ed's brother is a chef who now teaches future chefs at a college in Toronto. Ed loves good wine AND cheese, and grows his own herbs, but I'd not call him a farmer. He knows his food, though, knows some restaurant critics, and did brief stints as one in Toronto when being a journalism student - - but when he's being Volo, he is indeed "making it up" (drawing on his real-world knowledge of kitchens and cookery and herbs and foodstuffs to make it seem gloriously real). When you read Ed's invented recipes, they ARE imaginary, but draw on what he knows and has heard of real-world food preparation.
You'd be surprised, though, at how lightly Ed eats. Drinks tons of tea, but his lunches are often a plate of raw vegetables.
I do know he makes soups by "cooking down" lots of raw vegetables from a stew into a seasoned soup, almost weekly (soups that last for four or five meals, that is).
love,
THO
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 :  21:59:53  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
Dear THO, I have a small question I was pondering as I was walking home today about the various quotes from various people famous and not that tend to start the chapters of Ed books. Are any of them already-existing sages/minstrels/etc. that have shown up in home Realmsplay? Are any of their saying things you Knights had already heard variations upon? Or are they all made up on the fly when he's writing the novels?

Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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Malcolm
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 :  22:06:57  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
So I'm happily reading this thread and my eyes fall on this:

"in one of the Swords books there is a blurb Elminster says
to Manshoon about is mating with beholders but that is never finished."

WHAAAT? althen artren, which book? And where? Did I fall asleep when I came to that passage, or get interrupted and somehow miss actually reading a page, or what? I genuinely don't remember this!
(Shaken, but just as interested to hear Ed's reply as althen is)
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 :  22:13:48  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. Malcolm, you're going to have to wait for Ed's take on beholder matings. I mean, I'm a big girl, I can handle these things, but I doubt TSR or WotC would want to.

Hoondatha, I THINK most of those header quotes were made up on the fly at first. Increasingly, however, Ed has built up a "body" of writings for many of the fictitious sources that he's used more than once (often deliberately, to establish a mood or sense of time). Knowing Ed, he probably keeps track of those writings, writer by writer - - but I'm sure the actual content of the quotations, if not the tone, is just invented to fit the chapter (often to give it a title) as he comes to that part of the book.

Because Ed outlines his Wizards books beforehand (as part of the approvals process), and has so many projects on the go at once at doesn't want to add unnecessary confusion atop the wild confusion that's already his "normal" creative mental state, he tends to write much of them chronologically, rather than jumping around from big scene to big scene (he's already covered the highlights of what he wants scenes to accomplish, in the outline).
I will of course send your query to him, and he will add something if I've portrayed things wrongly. I think I'm on the mark, though.
love,
THO
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Faraer
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 :  22:51:22  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor
Is there a concept of Physics in the Realms? Like, Gravity, or laws of motion? Are any laws of physics non-existent in the Realms because of the magic?

There are certainly theories and models of the cosmos, but they're going to be along the lines of natural philosophy rather than of the modern desouled physical sciences.

'The laws of physics' are one description of parts of the physical working of our universe. I don't think they apply to the subcreated sword-and-sorcery Forgotten Realms at all.

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althen artren
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Its in Swords of Dragonfire, where Manshoon, Khelben, and Elminster are all standing around
threatening each other. Also in the conversation is the mention of 39 Manshoon clones,
2 of which have had surgery on them to remove appendiges. Its at the very bottom of a left handed page in the paperback.
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor
Is there a concept of Physics in the Realms? Like, Gravity, or laws of motion? Are any laws of physics non-existent in the Realms because of the magic?

There are certainly theories and models of the cosmos, but they're going to be along the lines of natural philosophy rather than of the modern desouled physical sciences.

'The laws of physics' are one description of parts of the physical working of our universe. I don't think they apply to the subcreated sword-and-sorcery Forgotten Realms at all.

Indeed.

This doesn't, however, mean that the Realms doesn't have an entirely unique set of physical laws all its own -- as the Old Grey Box states:- "The physics of the Realms are slightly out of sync with the rest of the planes, so that gunpowder and many technological devices which operate on electronics do not function. Equivalent devices may be developed by player-characters. DMís judgment is advised as to what may be allowed into the world." [DM's Sourcebook of the Realms pg. 9]

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The Sage
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Okay, so I thought it time to I add to my ever-increasing backlog of questions for Ed. This one comes from Swords of Eveningstar, which I've been re-reading parts of recently.

Thus, Ed, on pg. 20 of the hardcover edition of the novel, when Delbossan and Florin part ways, you've written "In the words of the old song: 'Twas time to be taming the lady...'"

I'm just curious. What "old song" was that? Could you tell me anything more about it?

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The Hooded One
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Hello again, all.
Baleful Avatar, a page back, said he needed some names quickly, so I plunged into Ed's notes. I'm afraid I haven't found the female given names yet, but for upland Cormyr, here are the most common male first names. If they have a popular diminutive, it's given in parentheses and quotation marks after the full formal name; if none's listed, there's no 'set' diminutive (and yes, there are a few where the diminutive doesn't match the formal name all that closely; these aren't mistakes).
I'll follow up with female names as soon as I can, but I'm afraid that will probably be late tomorrow . . .
Right. Here we go . . .

Brannon, Brennan ("Bran" or even "Bram"), Daerent ("Daer"), Garlin ("Garl"), Hargath ("Gath"), Ilmer, Jurusk ("Jusk"), Larthlan ("Larth"), Melsarl ("Sarl"), Naryk ("Nar"), Rorn, Rory, Sanraven, Sorbrar, Tellond ("Tuth"), Vornyn ("Vorn").

Note that these are rural upland names; when it comes to cities, they are common only in Arabel - - and if you start to include Purple Dragon garrisons (staffed by a mix of people from everywhere in the realm) or nobility and their households (again, from everywhere, but often of middle-class or "gentle" birth), the "common" names start to shift to some other names more popular in wealthier and more urban families.

So saith Ed (I've just done some light editing and linking up of sentences from different places in his notes, not real rewriting).
More when I can,
love,
THO
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Elric
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quote:
Originally posted by crazedventurers

quote:
Originally posted by Elric

Hello Ed and THO,
My other question is in regards to the Moonshae Islands. I know that the published version of the Moonshaes isnít the original version that you turned in to TSR. I recall reading a past post where you gave a description of what the original Moonshaes looked like (similar to the islands of Earthsea).Wizards posted a tie-in article to the Grand History of the Realms on their website awhile back that deals specifically with the history of the Moonshaes. It depicts what the Moonshaes looked like circa -11,000 DR. I was curious if this is what the original Moonshaes look like in your home campaign (I thought maybe they used your original version for this article)? Also, a quick question related to the Moonshaes, is the wizard Flamsterd and his island your creation and part of your original Moonshae Islands?

I apologize in advance if any of these questions have already been answered in previous posts.

Thanks very much for everything you do for us Realmsfans. It is greatly appreciated!



Hi Elric


Brian R James who wrote the article posted this response on another thread

"You are the first to comment on my homage to Ed's Earthsea-like Moonshaes. Well done. I never saw Ed's original map, so I hope it is a close approximation of his vision"

More on Flamsterd here (its a loooong Ed post, you need to scroll down about halfway)

Hope this helps

Damian



Thanks Damian (and to The Sage) for the replies to my question from a few days ago regarding the Moonshaes and Flamsterd.

I was truly hoping that they had used Edís original Moonshae Islands for the web enhancement. Like many fans, I would love to see what the Moonshaeís look like in Edís home campaign.

Elric
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