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Baleful Avatar
Learned Scribe

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Posted - 23 May 2009 :  19:44:16  Show Profile  Visit Baleful Avatar's Homepage Send Baleful Avatar a Private Message
Agghh! No more nostalgia Realms tales! I'm starting to sniffle! You're taking me back to the time when the Realms was unfolding bright and new, and fool that I was, I thought TSR would do as they had been doing for Dragonlance, and did for the Known World: keep on selling us regional sourcebooks and boxed sets until the globe (both sides, and even the hollow inside!!) had been covered.
Instead, they went back to the Waterdeep well again and again, and started separate product lines for Al-Qadim and Maztica and then got distracted into Spelljammer and Planescape, and somehow ran out of steam on the Realms coverage.
When Ed could have been kept busy writing annual Volo's Guides for the last TWO DECADES, and given us rich depth to the entire darned thing.
I think Wizards should bring Volo back, only a befuddled-by-magic Volo: he's wandering in the Realms, not quite knowing where he is, but still bitching about bad meals and bug-infested beds and giving us recipes and gossip and the good local landmarks for every place he does stumble across.
And you can use the published results in the Realms (where they JUST HAPPEN to perfectly match the Realms we first saw in the Old Gray Box), the Abeir part (so if you're using the "new" Realms, it'll work for right now), Eberron, or wherever (Golarion, your own homebrew...) because Volo's down on the "this inn and that tavern" level.
I can't for the life of me figure out why Wizards doesn't hire Ed to just churn out Volo's Guides. The argument they gave, back at those old GenCons, was "the hobby retailers don't like the format." But since they're now selling PDFs and making some stuff web-only, I think they just hurled their own argument out the nearest window...
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Jakk
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Posted - 23 May 2009 :  20:13:11  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Knight of the Gate

To begin, I (as I am sure, are many others) am delighted to hear that the Man is on the mend. And, also: You know, I would GLADLY send Ed the amount I used to spend on sourcebooks for about a page a week of whatever he felt like writing. As I see it, that's about $200 a year... If we could get five hundred of us...



I'm in too... and for me in 2E and 3E days, that's about $600-800 a year that I've been saving since the advent of 4E. Yes, I have just about everything.

All I really want is anything that's been buried under somnolent NDA's for a decade or more. No good lore should have to suffocate to death in that manner.

Looking forward to whatever Ed will be producing for Wizbro's web publishing; will it be for D&Di or "open content" on the site? Or is that NDA'd at this time too?

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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gomez
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Posted - 23 May 2009 :  21:24:27  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Baleful Avatar


I can't for the life of me figure out why Wizards doesn't hire Ed to just churn out Volo's Guides.


Wizards has some reserves to follow the publishing model of the Volo's guides. The realms are a little darker these days, a little harder to get around, and they don't really want 'a single voice connecting disparate areas'.

Of course, in a year or five, they may change their minds, but I wouldn't count on Volo guides at the moment. thena gain, I don't know what Ed is going to write for Dragon...

Lady, can we post suggestions? :D

Btw, I hope Ed is all well - somehow I missed a few posts a few pages back. Give him a hug from me (he'll probably enjoys it much more if you give it ;) ).

Gomez
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 23 May 2009 :  21:57:31  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk


Looking forward to whatever Ed will be producing for Wizbro's web publishing; will it be for D&Di or "open content" on the site? Or is that NDA'd at this time too?



I believe it's already been stated that it's going to be DDI.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by gomez

quote:
Originally posted by Baleful Avatar


I can't for the life of me figure out why Wizards doesn't hire Ed to just churn out Volo's Guides.


Wizards has some reserves to follow the publishing model of the Volo's guides. The realms are a little darker these days, a little harder to get around, and they don't really want 'a single voice connecting disparate areas'.

Of course, in a year or five, they may change their minds, but I wouldn't count on Volo guides at the moment. thena gain, I don't know what Ed is going to write for Dragon...
Did any of you read the [brief] Volo's Guides by Eric and Ed published individually in the last few printed issues of DRAGON Magazine?

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Garen Thal
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Posted - 24 May 2009 :  03:25:41  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by gomez

quote:
Originally posted by Baleful Avatar


I can't for the life of me figure out why Wizards doesn't hire Ed to just churn out Volo's Guides.


Wizards has some reserves to follow the publishing model of the Volo's guides. The realms are a little darker these days, a little harder to get around, and they don't really want 'a single voice connecting disparate areas'.

Of course, in a year or five, they may change their minds, but I wouldn't count on Volo guides at the moment. thena gain, I don't know what Ed is going to write for Dragon...
Did any of you read the [brief] Volo's Guides by Eric and Ed published individually in the last few printed issues of DRAGON Magazine?

More than Eric and Ed. Ed wrote an introduction to each of the Volo's entries from DRAGON 351-359, but there were other authors. For those interested, here's a complete rundown of those last Volo's Guides:

#351 - "Lost Regalia of the North: The Toppled Thrones," by Eric L. Boyd
#352 - "Volo's Guide To the Forgotten Dead," by Brian Cortijo
#353 - "Outsiders of the Forgotten Realms," by Thomas M. Costa
#354 - "Cormanthor: War Amidst the Trees," by Eric L. Boyd
#355 - "Demon Cults of the Realms," by Eric L. Boyd
#356 - "Wyrms of the West, East and South," by Brian Cortijo
#357 - "Renegades of Darkhold," by George Krashos
#358 - "War Upon the Sands," by Brian Cortijo
#359 - "Myth Drannor, City of Song," by Eric L. Boyd

And yes, I've read them all. ;)
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Penknight
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Posted - 24 May 2009 :  04:03:03  Show Profile Send Penknight a Private Message
It's just a shame they never released them aside from the magazines. I wish they were around online for those of us that don't have the issues to read.

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The Sage
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Posted - 24 May 2009 :  04:38:00  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

More than Eric and Ed. Ed wrote an introduction to each of the Volo's entries from DRAGON 351-359, but there were other authors.
Sorry Brian. I'd meant to mention you, Tom, and Krash as well. But when I re-edited the post earlier, I forgot.


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Markustay
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Posted - 24 May 2009 :  05:31:18  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Ed, I'm finally geting around to re-reading Code of the Harpers (the last time I read it was when it first came out), and I greatly enjoyed the opening 'tale' (synopsis is more like it) of the exploits of Mestrel Hawkmantle (all in a single year!)

You left it with him walking through a portal and disappearing... whatever happened to him? Where did that portal lead? It just so happens to be in an area I have a great interest in (the borderlands between the Taan and kara-Tur).

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


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George Krashos
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Posted - 24 May 2009 :  09:16:18  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message
It's only now with the benefit of hindsight that I recall how eager and encouraging Ed was for a few of us to "write, write, write" and get published in Dragon Magazine, moving the Seven Heavens and Toril behind the scenes to put in a good word for us with the Paizo guys. Like all good seers, he could see the Spellplague looming on the horizon.

Then too I recall how open and eager the Paizo people were to entertain article suggestions, even when they knew also that they only had less than a year of issues to release under their tenure. My piece on Semmemmon and Ashemmi came about because I suggested the article to them at their prompting after my Impiltur piece was finally published, not from any random pitch on my part. Sad that Paizo lost control of the magazines and 4E came along - I know in my bones I would have got in at least 2 articles a year of juicy realmslore if things had continued in that vein. I had about three articles "ready to go" with ideas for another half-a-dozen.

Thankfully, my thread here at C-Keep has meant that some of those articles/ideas have had a place to (hopefully) shine.

But I'd like to thank Ed for his efforts anyway. As a "corner man", he has no equal.

-- George Krashos

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gomez
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Netherlands
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Posted - 24 May 2009 :  14:21:51  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Did any of you read the [brief] Volo's Guides by Eric and Ed published individually in the last few printed issues of DRAGON Magazine?



I only have three of those (356/357/358), and only Semmeon is of any interest to me from those three (YMMV).
I think such articles will still be written. I just don't think it will be Volo that will be doing the writing.

As to writing for Dragon/Dungeon: we still can do that. I do plan to set something up (I merely need to get time to gather all the random thoughts in my head and put them together into something coherent).

Gomez
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Blueblade
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Posted - 24 May 2009 :  15:13:34  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Re. this:
"As to writing for Dragon/Dungeon: we still can do that. I do plan to set something up (I merely need to get time to gather all the random thoughts in my head and put them together into something coherent)."

HA! I've ben trying to do THAT for, like, thirty years now.
BB
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 24 May 2009 :  15:17:30  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Too true, Blueblade. Too true.

George, Ed (who is away from all keyboards at the moment, though I managed to speak to him via the cellphone of someone whos' with him) would like to thank YOU.
He says he always looks forward eagerly to every time you or Eric (Boyd) would "roll back the curtain and show me more of the Realms," and "wishes like all heck" it would happen more often. For us all.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Hi again, all. I almost forgot:
Purple Dragon Knight, Ed thanks you for the kind words, but wants you to know that Elaine did most of the heavy lifting when it came to the plot of CITY OF SPLENDORS, so she deserves most of your thanks.
Yes, Ed and Elaine (who are good friends, BTW) "overwrote" each other many times, particularly when the book needed to be shortened, but the Amalgamation (Mrelder and his dad) and the Dyre daughters and their interactions with the Gemcloaks were established by Elaine from the outset.
Ed agrees with you that it's a "different" Realms book (just as ELMINSTER IN HELL was a very different sort of "different" Realms book), and he, too (however immodestly), thinks it's one of the best. "Those who want guys fighting orcs and dragons are going to be a bit disappointed, yes - - but then, those who hate such things get disappointed when they pick up Realms fiction so more often."


So saith Ed. Who is hard at work on NDA'd lore-work right now.
love to all,
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gomez
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Posted - 24 May 2009 :  15:52:40  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade
HA! I've ben trying to do THAT for, like, thirty years now.



I am fully aware that I may be repearing exactly the same statement thirty years from now... :P
Though I do give myself a fair chance that I actually will produce something.
First have to write an adventure though... apparently before june 7th. Hmm.

Gomez
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Jakk
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Posted - 24 May 2009 :  16:00:45  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
Mmm... NDA'd lore-work... that's actually the best kind, if it's being worked on, because that means it might actually see the light of day... right?

When is Ed's first work appearing in DDi? I need to know when my subscription needs to start, because I'm not paying for a month that *doesn't* contain lore from Ed (or Brian, or George, or Eric). Yes, my standards are high, but I suspect I'm not the only one so discriminating here at CK.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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Markustay
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Posted - 24 May 2009 :  16:21:53  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by gomez

As to writing for Dragon/Dungeon: we still can do that. I do plan to set something up (I merely need to get time to gather all the random thoughts in my head and put them together into something coherent).
ONLY if you support their new edition.

If you are like most 'Realms Sages', you prefer the 1e/2e/3e era. The articles must contain at least 1/3 mechanics (IIRC), and a lack of familiarity with those rules precludes anyone with any talent but no interest in 4e to write for the DDi (I REFUSE to call that Dragon).

When they announced their 'open call' (yeah... right...) over a year ago, I quickly put together twenty ideas (10 for Dragon, and 10 for Dungeon, with a couple being cross-overs). However, once they made it clear that they would not be accepting any articles that did not take place in the 4e era, I didn't bother. I simply do not know enough about that time period (does anyone?) to feel I can do it justice.

Sorry for the 'mini-rant', mods, but I'm tired of the "you can join us, if you'll just think the way we tell you" attitude these days over at WotC.

BTW, after that supposed 'open call', the only two non-in-house guys to write articles were Ed and Brian - where are all these 'new writers' they were asking for?

They didn't want our articles, only our ideas......

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 25 May 2009 03:41:32
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Jakk
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(content voluntarily removed for reposting in a more general scroll with further commentary, so as not to further derail Ed's scroll)

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 24 May 2009 20:22:08
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quote:
Originally posted by Jakk

(content voluntarily removed for reposting in a more general scroll with further commentary, so as not to further derail Ed's scroll)

And said scroll is located here:- http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12528

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Elric
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Hello Ed and THO,

I have been a reader of your Q&A threads for some time but have never posted before. I’ve thought of a couple of questions that I want to ask you about, but first, I want to say that I am glad to hear that you are feeling better!

I haven’t been able to locate much information on the Cormyrian fortress of Castle Crag (other than a little information in the 2nd edition FR boxed set). Sadly, there was no entry in the Cyclopedia of the Realms from the original FR “grey box” set. I also checked Volo’s Guide to Cormyr but couldn’t find much information in this sourcebook either. I was wondering if you could provide me with some information on this structure (its appearance, the military strength housed within, commanding officer, etc.) circa 1357-1358 DR (pre-Time of Troubles)?

My other question is in regards to the Moonshae Islands. I know that the published version of the Moonshaes isn’t the original version that you turned in to TSR. I recall reading a past post where you gave a description of what the original Moonshaes looked like (similar to the islands of Earthsea).Wizards posted a tie-in article to the Grand History of the Realms on their website awhile back that deals specifically with the history of the Moonshaes. It depicts what the Moonshaes looked like circa -11,000 DR. I was curious if this is what the original Moonshaes look like in your home campaign (I thought maybe they used your original version for this article)? Also, a quick question related to the Moonshaes, is the wizard Flamsterd and his island your creation and part of your original Moonshae Islands?

I apologize in advance if any of these questions have already been answered in previous posts.

Thanks very much for everything you do for us Realmsfans. It is greatly appreciated!
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Flamsterd is indeed one of the remnants of Ed's original Moonshaes.

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Welcome Elric, and Indoril too, to the forum!

As someone not too far past his own acolyte-hood, I thought I'd be the first to offer a warm welcome. Personally, I don't mind if a question is repeated, because often the senior scribes or The Hooded One can direct you to Ed's indexed response, and often leads curious readers (such as I) trailing down the same path.

Based on my own brief observations, 3 things generally keep this thread rolling along:

1.) Questions to Ed, and the corresponding responses, via The Hooded One,

2.) The community's own brief discussions that spring from those questions to Ed, rather like ripples from a stone dropped into a pond, and

3.) Gentle teasing of longstanding members, like The Hooded One (well-nigh unshockable, despite our many attempts) and The Sage (runs on geologic time, but gets results!)

So to both of you, Well met!
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3.) Gentle teasing of longstanding members, like The Hooded One (well-nigh unshockable, despite our many attempts) and The Sage (runs on geologic time, but gets results!)


Geologic time? Wow, that's more credit than I would have given him!

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Originally posted by Aysen

3.) Gentle teasing of longstanding members, like The Hooded One (well-nigh unshockable, despite our many attempts) and The Sage (runs on geologic time, but gets results!)
Awesome!

Does this also mean that I could qualify for my own epoch? Perhaps even something that could be slipped into the Realmslore.

Ed, THO, take note!

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Sage's list is so long that the continents will reform as Pangea before he finishes everything. :)

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