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The Hooded One
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Posted - 27 Apr 2009 :  01:47:14  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. This is fascinating, reading everyone weighing in. Great stuff!
Markustay, I can answer your Ed query: yes, the stables, nearby Royal Gardens (as far as certain statues), Royal Palace, and Royal Court, up into the air and down below the deepest cellars, most of the way down the wells, are indeed warded against undead. As a result of certain problems in the past (yes, you can guess very well, can't you?), and lasting well into the ravages of the Spellplague (I have that last bit directly from Ed rather than from his notes, which of course spurred me to ask him what happened AFTER those ravages hit, whereupon he twinkled at me and said he really WISHED he could tell me, buuutttt . . .).
You know, from my character interaction with Azoun and Fee, down the years, I'd say both of them COULD forgive an unsuccessful killer, Fee quite swiftly and Azoun only if the killer survived Azoun's initial cold rage and somehow got away long enough for Fee to talk her husband "down." However, Vangerdahast is the problem: he WOULD try to keep the would-be slayer alive long enough to thoroughly mind-ream the guy and learn all he could about the attack and its motives . . . and then he'd probably kill the PC just because it's the safest thing to do, UNLESS specifically forbidden to do so by Azoun or Fee, if they were standing right there and he couldn't pull the "he tried to escape, I had to blast him because" excuse.
Hmm. As I said earlier, chances for some interesting roleplaying abound.
You could, of course, have Laspeera or Dove show up in Fee's shape to "take the blade' for her, because the royals have somehow found out about the attack beforehand, but want to know WHY. In that case, with the PC unable to really wound the false fee and having done nothing at all to the real one, the PC might well have quite a good chance for survival, and even being made a special agent (and sent on missions far away ).
love,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 27 Apr 2009 01:52:03
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Dark Wizard
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I have another one for Ed, though it seems like the kind that might have been answered before, forgive me if it is a repeat. This one has been a minor itch on my mind for years.

The city Ithmong in Tethyr (renamed Darromar) and the city of Ithmong in Lapaliiya shared a name, but is there a deeper connection beyond that?

Thanks in advance.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Wizard

I have another one for Ed, though it seems like the kind that might have been answered before, forgive me if it is a repeat. This one has been a minor itch on my mind for years.

The city Ithmong in Tethyr (renamed Darromar) and the city of Ithmong in Lapaliiya shared a name, but is there a deeper connection beyond that?

Thanks in advance.

I can field this one. See this scroll.

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Markustay
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Posted - 27 Apr 2009 :  04:52:17  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
LOL... I answered that one.

Anyhow, thanks for the quick response, THO. I had assumed as much, but confirmation is always a good thing.

And just to keep the questions flowing...

Have any of Azoun IV's decendents achieved the level of... fame... that he had?

I'm talking about any area - statesmanship, well-loved, fighting-prowess, even notoriety...

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Dark Wizard
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Posted - 27 Apr 2009 :  05:03:15  Show Profile Send Dark Wizard a Private Message
Thanks Sage! Consider that itch scratched.

Reading the Lady Hooded's response including the ending root of "alglatarr" for Lapaliiyan Ithmong in Ed's notes has me asking another question:

Does Ed have any rubric for naming cities (towns, villages, vassal domains or subregions), for the Chondath and Chessenta regions specifically?
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Menelvagor
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Posted - 27 Apr 2009 :  06:28:35  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
Thanks a lot for all the answers, everybody. Now that I have described nearly the whole idea, what do you (or Ed) think should happen, Milady?

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Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

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Drizztsmanchild
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Posted - 27 Apr 2009 :  08:00:39  Show Profile  Visit Drizztsmanchild's Homepage  Send Drizztsmanchild a Yahoo! Message Send Drizztsmanchild a Private Message
Hello Mr Greenwood and Lady THO. Can you perhaps tell me if Elminster(and other former chosen) will become players in future 4e novels and if a novel detailing El's last century and what drove him to where he is now? (i understand if you cant because of NDA's and such was just hoping that the info in the 4e FrcG and Ghotr wasnt the last of characters i loved to read about)

Thanks to you both for whatever detail you can provide even if it's a "maybe".

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Markustay
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Posted - 27 Apr 2009 :  17:33:37  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
So you are trying to solve the 'heated' debate going on over at WotC?

Good luck with that - part of the arguments over there is that if it hasn't been in a written published source, it doesn't count, so what Ed or anyone else 'thinks' isn't going to solve anything for certain hotheads.

People can be very selective about what they consider 'canon'.

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Drizztsmanchild
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Posted - 27 Apr 2009 :  18:13:14  Show Profile  Visit Drizztsmanchild's Homepage  Send Drizztsmanchild a Yahoo! Message Send Drizztsmanchild a Private Message
Shhh MT no giving away secrets. lol

I figured that if anyone could solve the debate it would be Ed. Can't blame a guy for trying. I'll edit and ask another question then.
Thanks for your input. I hate going on wild goose chases.
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Hmm... I seem to recall Ed mentioning something about a new Elminster novel set in PS Realms a while back...

Has that been incredibly NDA'd or taken off the table, THO?

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 27 Apr 2009 :  18:50:40  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all.
Drizztsmanchild, the answer to your FIRST question is something Ed probably won't answer, now that you've taken it off the table (because I hadn't yet sent it to him). Anyone can accept, reject, or modify anything for their own Realms campaign, but the "what is canon" argument for the Realms is very simple, and specified by the original legal agreement when TSR purchased the Realms: canon is everything Ed says or writes about the Realms, unless or until superceded in print by a later official (not licensed, but TSR, so now, WotC) product.
That's it, pure and simple. No one can alter that without Ed's agreeing to the alteration, and he hasn't ever been approached to alter it. Individual gamers may disagree with that definition, but that's beside the point: except for little fragments in DRAGON articles (and the Heralds piece in one issue of GAMEPLAY, pre-1986) they only got to see the Realms AT ALL because of this agreement, so they're stuck with its terms, whether they admit that or not.
I doubt Ed can answer your second question due to NDAs, but I've sent an e-mail off to him, and we'll see.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 27 Apr 2009 :  18:54:07  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again!
Well, Ed hath replied, so the answer to the second question, Drizztsmanchild and Ashe, is: Ed can't talk about any future Realms fiction to be penned by him or others, other than to say he'd really, really like to see some. Lots, even.
No surprise. He did say he'll let slip more when he's allowed to do so, so I'd say those NDAs are as sturdy and as numerous as ever.
love to all,
THO
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Drizztsmanchild
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Posted - 27 Apr 2009 :  19:22:27  Show Profile  Visit Drizztsmanchild's Homepage  Send Drizztsmanchild a Yahoo! Message Send Drizztsmanchild a Private Message
Lady Tho, Thank you for your time and response. I figured as much about the NDA's and what not. I was just hoping some new info was out. My other question was something concerning a debatr about Lolth. But as MT was helpful in pointing out the answer probably wouldn't have helped end the debate. That is why i edited it.

Thank you again and I look forward to new news about future novels whenever the NdA's allow you to speak of such.
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A Publishing Lackey
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Dear Ed and Lady THO,
Are either of you directly affected by the proposed "Google settlement"? Any comments?
Thanks.
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quote:
Originally posted by Drizztsmanchild

Hello Mr Greenwood and Lady THO. Can you perhaps tell me if Elminster(and other former chosen) will become players in future 4e novels (snip)



Considering that part of the reasoning for inflicting the Sellplague and the timejump on the Realms was the badly-mistaken perception that Elminster and the Chosen were too prominent, I doubt we'll see much of them in post-3E material.

Of course, El and the Chosen weren't all that prominent, originally, until TSR started the thing of "Oooh, powerful people -- shove them into the spotlight and make sure they're involved in everything!" trend. So it's theoretically possible that years down the road, WotC (if it's still around) will decide to make that mistake again. I don't think it likely (they'll shove new powerful people into the spotlight and refuse to look at anyone else, like they've done with Shar and the Shades), but it could happen again.

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Markustay
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I don't want Ed or anyone to think that I don't think what Ed says is canon - I'm just saying others often purposely create their own definitions of canon to prove a point.

So in other words you can't win an argument on the internet, even when your right.

Also, RB has figured-out a perfectly legitimate way to circumvent Ed's 'authority', which is also part of the problem over on the WotC boards.

It appears that if an 'in-house' person posts something on the official WotC site, it is considered canon (because it is in-print, and the DDi has now made the site a 'source'). I have seen several people get responses here they didn't care for, and then go running to the "Ask Rich Baker" thread, and in a couple of cases, he "respectfully disagreed".

So you see, there's always a way around something without having to involve lawyers. The Internet creates too much of a 'grey area'.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Drizztsmanchild

Hello Mr Greenwood and Lady THO. Can you perhaps tell me if Elminster(and other former chosen) will become players in future 4e novels (snip)



Considering that part of the reasoning for inflicting the Sellplague and the timejump on the Realms was the badly-mistaken perception that Elminster and the Chosen were too prominent, I doubt we'll see much of them in post-3E material.

Of course, El and the Chosen weren't all that prominent, originally, until TSR started the thing of "Oooh, powerful people -- shove them into the spotlight and make sure they're involved in everything!" trend. So it's theoretically possible that years down the road, WotC (if it's still around) will decide to make that mistake again. I don't think it likely (they'll shove new powerful people into the spotlight and refuse to look at anyone else, like they've done with Shar and the Shades), but it could happen again.

And Ed has elaborated on this particular pre-4e tendency -- especially with respect to the appearances of Elminster and Storm in Realms fiction -- in his previous replies.

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Posted - 28 Apr 2009 :  01:10:23  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Hello All,

Hooded One, can you ask Ed some insight on this and add your own if willing?

Nightal 1372

In my game the PC's set out to recover a member of their group, this NPC was hoodwinked by bodysnatcher thugs who unknowingly work for a Rakshasha who has set himself up in a ruin below ground within the forest outside Scornubel. The creature stumbled across lair some years back and has been unable to pierce or modify the many ancient wards of its original owner other than the Teleportation circle and an augmented summoning circle (I assumed that actual celestial blood enchanted to stay fresh and other components of celestial beings incorporated into the thaumaturgic bindings would make it more potent in containing very powerful fiends?) which the Rakshasha has only used to summon minor fiends so far. His understandings of the circles creation are poor and its actual creation process tax the fiend's magic even summoning minor fiends.

The ruin also has a permanent symbol of weakness which the rakshasha has enclosed into a caged area where he keeps his slaves and creatures he is selling to others. He has established an amicable relationship with an Ogre mage who has found and set up within the cavern that the teleportation circle sends travelers. The flow of travelers in and out of Scornubel make it a perfect location for such a business, the rakshasha has the option to buy slaves as well as snatch specific beings requested by his clients. The mage of group manages to scry their companion who is manacled and hooded within the cell area along with many others and decide to teleport right above them hoping to grab and go. Almost entire group fails save to symbol and several are left unable to move at all, in ensuing fight they manage to badly wound Rakshasha and hurt Ogre Mage who is present to purchase 'wares' and flee (via teleport) with companion and few slaves.

The Ogre mage decides to strike down the rakshaha (fiend still alive though) during the fight and throws him within symbol area after divesting him of all items, cast an alarm spell and leaves using teleportation circle.

Back in Scornubel, the cleric of group (selunite) goes to temple to seek assistance and inform them of slave ring and the clerics of temple agree to help him recover other captives once they have prepared themselves. Group also inform Palain of Torm who they have allied with in past and he demands they try and save captives immediately, with PC mage being only one able to take them to location. The other PC's are forced to remain behind so that clerics who can teleport once there back with captives can go along with paladin. PC mage takes the four of them and with protection against the necromanctic magic of the symbol they find the remaining living prisoners and a unconscious Rakshasha. The clerics teleport captives and rakshasha to temple but are now aware of the ruin itself and what could be called forth.

What would temple of Selune do?
The creature is currently helpless and badly wounded and I'm wondering if they would just decide it best to slay it or would they seek to question it to deal with its underlings within Scornubel who have stolen women and children for the creature? Secondly the ruin itself and the magic circle within, would the selunites seek to return and destroy such a place if they could or inform allied faiths better able to deal with it? Unbeknownst to all, the ruin is warded to direct all incoming teleporters to the actual symbol area where a dimensional lock spell would trigger as well as several other wards, all of which have become warped. Teleporting to the symbol area purposely somehow doesn't trigger these other traps, so the PC's were lucky to begin with.

The PC mage took an immediate interest in the ruin especilly the fact that an adamantine door within a far wall which no one was able to even approach might signify more magical goodness. The paladin does not yet know the awful nature of summoning circle (they were in and out too quickly and his detect evil was blocked by wall although he would have been stunned regardless) but will want it destroyed.

SOOOOOOOOOO the dilemma now for PC's (mage in particular since he knows location better than anyone else but still doesn't know its but few miles from Scornubel) is that depending on the swiftness of action by selunites and paladin, they will likely be asked to teleport do-gooders to ruin regardless of their own interest or possibly lose favor and allies within city. This is not even including the person the PC's work for would love first crack at this ruin regardless of who has a problem with it.

So would the church of Selune really care about this locale or be focused on dealing with rakshasha and his minions, clients, etc..?

Would the Paladin press the group to seeing it destroyed or would this fall into gray area of code of order, faith?


Whew, thanks
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quote:
Originally posted by A Publishing Lackey
I know Ed wrote and published at least one novel (FOOL'S MASTER) before SPELLFIRE . . .
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
. . . (and the Heralds piece in one issue of GAMEPLAY, pre-1986) . . .
Blistering bibliographic barnacles!
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The Hooded One
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Heh. Channeling your inner Captain Haddock, Faraer?

FOOL'S MASTER is VERY rare and hard to find, and is a youth caper novel in the mold of Phil Stong's WAY DOWN CELLAR (or for English readers, a funnier version of Pertwee's classics THE ISLANDERS and ROUGH WATER). Even Ed calls it "more forgettable than fun, but as good as Gordon Korman. I was VERY young, and the book reads that way. With a lot of Wodehousian or Charterisian - - or even Bonfigliolian - - 'arch narrator' stuff."

GAMEPLAY Magazine was the short-lived periodical started by "Jake" Jaquet when he departed the editorship of DRAGON magazine. Ed wrote an article, "Heralds All Bright And Shining," on the Heralds (High Heralds and local heralds) of the Realms. (As he had the perfect legal right to do, in those pre-TSR-buying-the-Realms days; the article has NO game stats, it's pure lore of the Realms. TSR knew about it, and a photocopy of the article was included in Ed's turnover-to-TSR "bible" of the Realms, back in 1986.) Like the Ed Realms story used in one of the computer games (wherein we Knights galloped past a character on a road, and proffered our emptied teacups, a favourite Ed-penned image of mine), it seems destined for never-to-be-republished legal limbo, but Ed covered most of the same lore in his heralds stuff included in POWER OF FAERUN).

Essential root Realmslore; there you go. Just call me the Hooded Librarian. Wearing a smile, a hood, and my everpresent wristwatch. Glows in the dark so you can find me.
love,
THO

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Drizztsmanchild

Hello Mr Greenwood and Lady THO. Can you perhaps tell me if Elminster(and other former chosen) will become players in future 4e novels (snip)



Considering that part of the reasoning for inflicting the Sellplague and the timejump on the Realms was the badly-mistaken perception that Elminster and the Chosen were too prominent, I doubt we'll see much of them in post-3E material.

Of course, El and the Chosen weren't all that prominent, originally, until TSR started the thing of "Oooh, powerful people -- shove them into the spotlight and make sure they're involved in everything!" trend. So it's theoretically possible that years down the road, WotC (if it's still around) will decide to make that mistake again. I don't think it likely (they'll shove new powerful people into the spotlight and refuse to look at anyone else, like they've done with Shar and the Shades), but it could happen again.

And Ed has elaborated on this particular pre-4e tendency -- especially with respect to the appearances of Elminster and Storm in Realms fiction -- in his previous replies.



If what you've put forward is truly the reason, then why is Drizzt in 4e?

Sorry MT, didnt mean to get you in trouble here.
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The Hooded One
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Ah, well, the answer to that, Drizztsmanchild, is that Drizzt is a strong, steady fiction seller for Wizards (probably more so than the rest of the Realms, now that 4e has come about). I'd expect that Wizards would keep Drizzt even if the Realms faded away, for that reason alone.
Wooly is quite right to point at TSR for starting the "iconic characters" thing. (Drizzt for Bob, Elminster for Ed, and so on.) I suspect that they still push for that. You can see Bob writing a Wulfgar Drizzt book, an Artemis Drizzt book, and so on, among his later works, trying to get out of the box or at least expand it, and Ed only managed to take a breather from Elminster by doing the Knights books and including Old El in them anyway; if Ed does future Realms novels, I'll wager they'll have Elminster front and centre because it'll be a condition of Ed getting to write them that they "star" Elminster (notice how much of ELMINSTER'S DAUGHTER was about El, rather than his daughter?).
So don't blame Ed if it's Elminster all the way. That's the thing all the Net posters who claim Ed has this love-thing for Elminster, or the Old Mage is his male Mary Sue, and so on all misunderstand: like any freelancer, Ed gets a writing ASSIGNMENT. It's a credit to his skill and style that he can sneak so much Realmslore into his books, and so much detail about ALL the characters, not just the old bearded guy with the hawk nose and the smart mouth . . .
(Whom I, personally, love. Thanks to some incidents in play with certain of my characters [and no, they were NOT sexual in nature].)
love to all,
THO
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Just call me the Hooded Librarian. Wearing a smile, a hood, and my everpresent wristwatch.
That's it? That's all you're wearing?

My lady, you don't need to "glow in the dark." I've no doubt that I'll find you easily enough.

Is groping in the dark still an appropriate search method for you?

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Markustay
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I've made comments to the effect that I feel sorry for RAS, and that people shouldn't dislike him because of Drizzt - I think Drizzt has become more of an albatross for him.

Heck.. I got to give him credit... the first book in the Sellswords series actually started out as a Drizzt novel. Pretty clever the way he steered a lot of it away from Drizzt himself.

And after your last comment, THO, I'm starting to see that Elminster has become somewhat of an albatross for Ed.

And here I thought only actors could get 'type cast'.


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quote:
Originally posted by Drizztsmanchild

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Drizztsmanchild

Hello Mr Greenwood and Lady THO. Can you perhaps tell me if Elminster(and other former chosen) will become players in future 4e novels (snip)



Considering that part of the reasoning for inflicting the Sellplague and the timejump on the Realms was the badly-mistaken perception that Elminster and the Chosen were too prominent, I doubt we'll see much of them in post-3E material.

Of course, El and the Chosen weren't all that prominent, originally, until TSR started the thing of "Oooh, powerful people -- shove them into the spotlight and make sure they're involved in everything!" trend. So it's theoretically possible that years down the road, WotC (if it's still around) will decide to make that mistake again. I don't think it likely (they'll shove new powerful people into the spotlight and refuse to look at anyone else, like they've done with Shar and the Shades), but it could happen again.

And Ed has elaborated on this particular pre-4e tendency -- especially with respect to the appearances of Elminster and Storm in Realms fiction -- in his previous replies.



If what you've put forward is truly the reason, then why is Drizzt in 4e?

Sorry MT, didnt mean to get you in trouble here.

It's as the Lady Hooded One said. Simply, Drizzt equals increased sales. And since a few of the more prominent pre-4e "iconic NPCs" have either been killed off or died during the period before, or in the interim between between 1375 DR and 1479 DR, Drizzt remains one of the few that will have enough reason to be carried into the future material.

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