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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 :  15:07:59  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message
Y'know how I moved the converse to my scroll? Well within just a single post, we had a good question for Ed:

Ed, the novel Downshadow (Erik Scott de Bie, 3rd in the Ed Greenwood Presents Waterdeep series, out now!) presents a clock tower the "Timehands" in Waterdeep, based on designs from a century ago. Questions:
1) When was it built?
2) How tall is it?
3) How does it work (i.e., sequence of chimes? every hour or ...)?
4) What else can you tell us about it?

~Question originally posed by Zandilar, reworded for insidious marketing purposes by Erik.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 :  15:33:56  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, all.
Hmmm. I'm thinking Ed's going to have to clear what he says on this with Wizards, though I recall him mentioning, in a spell-induced vision of our characters had of "the future of Waterdeep" [or perhaps: "A future Waterdeep," meaning an alternate one, on another Prime Material Plane; the spell allows for that], a tall, darkish clock tower that struck the hours. I asked him if such a feature would be included in the reference document ((a huge long thing, BTW, that Brian James had to rewrite down to a few paragraphs for the 4e FR core book, and THAT would be a task I'd have heartily hated to do)), and Ed grinned and said, "Well, if that feature DID exist in a future Waterdeep, it would CERTAINLY be in such a document. If one existed, of course."
Such a coy NDA dancer, our Eddie.
Now I know one little tidbit more, that I shouldn't . . . (hums innocently). There's a novel in the Eddie Presents series AFTER Erik's that exists in at least first draft form, that Ed read very recently, and very much enjoyed, and I know that it mentions the Timehands.
I haven't seen the MS (I suspect Ed read it off his computer screen so snoopy players like me would have nothing to "just happen to let our eyeballs roll over, in an idle moment"), but he was deep in reading it when I called him once, and as his wife passed him the phone, I heard him murmur, "Ah, the Timehands, good, good."
Ed wants to pass on his apologies for his lengthening silence (especially to edappel, knowing that his friend is waiting for that heartening Elminster missive), but he has been STUPENDOUSLY busy this last week-and-a-bit, and probably will continue to be so for this unfolding weekend (though he says he'll try to steal some sleep time to catch up on some lore replies for you patient scribes).
love to all,
THO
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Markustay
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To add to the 'War Wizards' discussion -

War Wizards need not be native Cormyrian, and in fact, are just as often not.

Also, they seem to operate like the CIA (or the Mafia) - you can 'retire' from the WW, but you are still considered one - there's no such thing as 'quitting'. It's not a job, it's a life-commitment (including for certain personages who have lived near to a millenia or more).

Which means even if you have 'retired', you can still be called upon when the country is 'in need'.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 12 Apr 2009 15:29:32
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 :  15:40:31  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Oh, a postscript, Zandilar: I asked Ed if this clock tower chimed the quarters, or half fours, or tolled the hour-count, or marked any specific time with a carillon or motif . . . but he merely smiled coyly, struck a femme fatale pose, stuck one finger in his mouth and sucked on it in a satire of sex-kitten movie queens everywhere, and said: "That" (deep, purring breath) "would be TELLING."
So, we'll have to wait and see just how much he's able to tell us. Which I suspect will involve a swift e-chat with Susan Morris, AFTER the Easter holidays, when she's back at her desk to engage in her end of it (Ed wouldn't dream of interrupting someone at home during a family holiday, and I suspect his own family's going to keep him more than a little busy during this one).
Of course, until then, you have me to play with, fellas.
Garen, I salute you for the tea. Not just the post now, but your gallant moment at GenCon (a moment that's become immortal at WotC, by the way) wherein you providing timely succor to the Lady Mazzanoble...
love to all,
THO
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 :  15:57:32  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Oh, a postscript, Zandilar: I asked Ed if this clock tower chimed the quarters, or half fours, or tolled the hour-count, or marked any specific time with a carillon or motif . . . but he merely smiled coyly, struck a femme fatale pose, stuck one finger in his mouth and sucked on it in a satire of sex-kitten movie queens everywhere, and said: "That" (deep, purring breath) "would be TELLING."
And to mark the "telling," he pushed his hand forward, as though to 'pshaw' or to brush an imaginary crumb from a gentleman's lapel.

That Ed...
quote:
Garen, I salute you for the tea. Not just the post now, but your gallant moment at GenCon (a moment that's become immortal at WotC, by the way) wherein you providing timely succor to the Lady Mazzanoble...
Ahh, but you didn't think that I forgot, now, did you? Hooded Lady, a gentleman must remember his gallantry, if for no other reason than to top himself at next opportunity.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 :  16:18:58  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi, all.
Hmmm. I'm thinking Ed's going to have to clear what he says on this with Wizards, though I recall him mentioning, in a spell-induced vision of our characters had of "the future of Waterdeep" [or perhaps: "A future Waterdeep," meaning an alternate one, on another Prime Material Plane; the spell allows for that], a tall, darkish clock tower that struck the hours. I asked him if such a feature would be included in the reference document ((a huge long thing, BTW, that Brian James had to rewrite down to a few paragraphs for the 4e FR core book, and THAT would be a task I'd have heartily hated to do)), and Ed grinned and said, "Well, if that feature DID exist in a future Waterdeep, it would CERTAINLY be in such a document. If one existed, of course."
Such a coy NDA dancer, our Eddie.


Have I mentioned that I want to see this document?

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The Sage
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 :  17:01:42  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
I'd also want to take a peek over Wooly's shoulder while he's reading said document, if that's okay my lady?

Oh, and I've got a related "Timehands" question that's based on the recent exchanges in this scroll. But I'll wait until Ed's chimed in more directly on the matter.

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Faraer
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Posted - 11 Apr 2009 :  01:14:13  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message
Here's a littl'un. Given that 'backpack' is a recent Americanism, and the modern connotations of 'backpacking', is there a Realms-particular term for that kind of bag?
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Markustay
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Posted - 11 Apr 2009 :  15:28:00  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Adventuring.

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Menelvagor
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Posted - 11 Apr 2009 :  18:35:10  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
I'm not sure if I asked this question before, but better asked twice than not asked at all, right?
In Elminster In Hell, El states that he hasn't spoken with the Srinshee since she took the Artblade. But she appears in the subsquent battle with the Thayans, Sharrans, and demons. So did she resume contact after that? In Spin A Yarn, she appeared, and El was also there. Or did she wait until she returned the Artblade to resume contact?

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How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 12 Apr 2009 :  15:44:27  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. I'm afraid that Waterdeep reference document is unlikely to see wider distribution unless Wizards wants it to. Perhaps when the Eddie Presents series wraps up, he can convince the good mages of WotC to make it available on their site (but I'll not hold my breath).
Sorry, avid readers!
As for Markustay, your view of the War Wizards is quite correct, and you win a date with my pepperonis.
Not that I've heard them called THAT very often, before! Better have your hot sausage ready. Ahem.
[Oh, yes, subtle like brick, that girl. I notice this before. Hard not to, really.]
love to all, and promising Ed's return as soon as he can,
THO
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Blueblade
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Posted - 12 Apr 2009 :  15:53:44  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Heh. Until then, we're here to chime in on this thread for Ed and for you, beautiful Lady! Accordingly, my two coppers toward answering Menelvagor:
In an earlier year of this thread (which one, I forget, but The Sage and Wooly and Kuje all seem to be able to pinpoint wheres and whens swiftly, using the documents they've derive from the master thread), Ed discussed how Elminster goes somewhat insane (and probably physically a wreck, too) right after the events of ELMINSTER IN HELL. So he's NOT a "reliable narrator" (aside: Ed has told us all often that he's not, anyway, but that's another, wider matter) when speaking about contact with the Srinshee.
In short, even when sane, he lies a lot.
For various arcane reasons, not inability to tell the truth or because he's evil. He's a manipulator above all else, who's been doing it for many, many centuries and pursuing all sorts of plots and schemes and goals that most mortals don't know about.
So Trust Not the Tongue of Elminster.
(And that last sentence is a direct Ed quote, from a GenCon seminar.)
BB
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Apr 2009 :  16:06:43  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. I'm afraid that Waterdeep reference document is unlikely to see wider distribution unless Wizards wants it to. Perhaps when the Eddie Presents series wraps up, he can convince the good mages of WotC to make it available on their site (but I'll not hold my breath).
Sorry, avid readers!


Who said anything about wider distribution? I was only interested in distributing to a single person who really loves Waterdeep -- me!

I've even got the map of the city from Waterdeep and the North on the wall of my computer room. If I had a big enough wall, I'd put up the über Waterdeep map from City System -- I've got at least one extra copy of that one.

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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Apr 2009 :  16:08:37  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade

In an earlier year of this thread (which one, I forget, but The Sage and Wooly and Kuje all seem to be able to pinpoint wheres and whens swiftly, using the documents they've derive from the master thread), Ed discussed how Elminster goes somewhat insane (and probably physically a wreck, too) right after the events of ELMINSTER IN HELL.
You might be thinking of the 4 September reply back in '05.

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Icelander
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Posted - 12 Apr 2009 :  16:15:36  Show Profile  Visit Icelander's Homepage Send Icelander a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade

So Trust Not the Tongue of Elminster.

Well, no. We don't know where it's been.

Or, rather, we have a pretty good idea and that doesn't make it any more trustworthy!

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 12 Apr 2009 :  17:34:53  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
LOL!
Oh, NICE one, Icelander!
Ah, that sort of comment comes never amiss, for me.
Lovely . . .
As for the wheedling re. Waterdeep reference document, boys, sorry. I'm locked-and-loaded indomitable armor on that one. Though you're welcome to try rusting through me, of course. By the usual application of tongues method (I didn't say it would be FAST, now did I?).
love,
THO
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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Apr 2009 :  18:05:23  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
And it was only just yesterday that I was boasting about my own personal Knowledge: Arcana skill base.

...

Silly old sage. I should've been focusing on Open Lock!

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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 12 Apr 2009 :  18:41:29  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
Ah, THO: Our board's very own Tootsie Roll pop!

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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gomez
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Posted - 12 Apr 2009 :  22:13:11  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

By the usual application of tongues method (I didn't say it would be FAST, now did I?).


Well, if you would just lay very still...

Gomez,
who can be quite patient if he wants too.
(and who has a PC who is not so much intersted in where Elminster's tongue has been, but where it'll be next...)
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Zandilar
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Posted - 13 Apr 2009 :  01:17:08  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

I just want to say:

I wonder where I put that tamed Rust Monster...

Zandilar
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~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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Markustay
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Posted - 13 Apr 2009 :  04:12:20  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Spoil sport... we weren't done trying to cunningly worm our way beneath her outer shell...

Tell Ed I just finished both Swords of Eveningstar and Swords of Dragonfire and eagerly await reading The Sword Never Sleeps - they were most excellent. Lots of great Realms history worked-in... like usual. That scene in Halfhap was classic... and makes me wonder exactly what choice words Khelben had for Elminster later on.


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Edited by - Markustay on 13 Apr 2009 04:13:37
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 13 Apr 2009 :  05:30:53  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message
I apologize if I put you or Ed on the spot, my lady THO--I am sure Z and I would be quite happy with any answer, even if it is "yet to be revealed."

And for those interested in the mythical 4e Waterdeep Bible, I highly recommend the books in the Ed Presents series, as I believe all were written with said bible in hand.

Cheers

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Brimstone
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Posted - 13 Apr 2009 :  05:48:09  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Spoil sport... we weren't done trying to cunningly worm our way beneath her outer shell...

Tell Ed I just finished both Swords of Eveningstar and Swords of Dragonfire and eagerly await reading The Sword Never Sleeps - they were most excellent. Lots of great Realms history worked-in... like usual. That scene in Halfhap was classic... and makes me wonder exactly what choice words Khelben had for Elminster later on.

The Sword Never Sleeps left me wanting more. I felt like a junkie needing another Ed fix.

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then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Menelvagor
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Posted - 13 Apr 2009 :  08:00:21  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
The Sword Never Sleeps... heh heh. With our Lady here, of course not!

Blueblade, of what you said I was aware. However, it is known The Srinshee was there. She appeared to Vangy first, and asked him to come. And even if you doubt that, there was the Spin A Yarn (although admittedly, the canonity of it may be doubful).

EDIT: Oh, a question I had regarding Laeral:
Why did it take 20 years for Khelben to come and free her from the Crown of Horns? I mean where were all the others for 20 years? She has 6 sisters, and a powerful 'uncle'. Where were they for 20 years? And what about Mystra? What was she doing, not caring for her Chosen?
Or was it all game designer plotting? Did they go: 'Let's make sure Khelben frees her, then marries her, so we can spread rumours of him manipulating her into it and she seeking adveturers to help her against him, thus giving adventure hooks to all the players'?

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Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

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Zandilar
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Posted - 13 Apr 2009 :  09:16:37  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Spoil sport... we weren't done trying to cunningly worm our way beneath her outer shell...


It would take forever for saliva to rust the armour away... Of course, if it were chocolate armour, that would be a different matter... I'd be happy to lick my way through that.

And yep, I'd be happy with "yet to be revealed" answers regarding the clock.

Zandilar
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~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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