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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 21 Dec 2009 :  23:53:11  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. I have a surprise smidgin of Realmslore to share with you all, in response to Christopher Rowe's query about twins (originally posted on page 47 of this thread): "Okay, how about this. Have there been any/many famous sets of identical twins in the Realms? I know that the Thunder Blessing brought about increased twin births among the dwarves--but are twins counted rare or (relatively) common among elves and halflings? Are twins thought to be good or bad luck in any cultures?"
Ed now adds:


Aha. Just came across those elusive identical halfling twins in my 1981 Realms notes: the male hin Amandar and Melver Minstrelwish, both handsome, agile, and tall and thin (for halflings) sorts who were scourges of both halfling and human lasses in their youths (spent errand-running, swift-package-delivering, and spying [often from rooftops, by night, on "embarrassing bedchamber moments" for the patrons who hired them to blackmail with] in Waterdeep). They were born in the summer of 1349 DR, and both left Waterdeep hurriedly (a running stride or so ahead of slayers hired by furious nobles whose wives [Melver] or daughters [Amandar] they had seduced, Amandar fleeing in the spring of 1367 DR and Melver in the fall of that year. Amandar hid out in Tethyr's Velen region for some years, and Melver ended up in Sembia . . . where he got into the same sort of trouble. As a result, he fled to Deepingdale, where Amandar, working with a caravan as a scribe, limner, and forger, happened across him by chance and settled down with him in Melver's sylvan "hidehold" (that he shared with a female half-elf lover, Jarantha Moonfall, a onetime "nightskirts" of Highmoon). The hidehold became a Harper safehouse stopover, and the three settled down into living quietly in the woods and making a good living falsifying documents for Harper agents, and writing steamy romance chapbooks and "wildsword" adventure chapbooks (short, lurid pulp adventure tales, often involving murder mysteries and hidden treasure, and ALWAYS involving lots of swordfights).
The fates of the three are unknown, because they maintained very low public profiles, using passing Harpers to send out their work and receive payments. They could have died or moved without the wider Realms being aware of it, if Harpers didn't talk...and most Harpers don't talk about such things, Spellplague or no Spellplague.
Thus far, that's all I have.


Wow! So saith Ed. Imparting another fascinating little tidbit of Realmslore. The place is real and alive, I tell thee!
love to all,
THO

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Sandstorm
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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 :  05:21:35  Show Profile  Visit Sandstorm's Homepage  Click to see Sandstorm's MSN Messenger address Send Sandstorm a Private Message
*insert round of applause here*

You have no idea how real it is :P I love these little stories about random characters, so full of life. I can't wait to contribute ;) (not sure if you remember, but i'm the aspiring author... which by the way, my new novel you both suggested I delve into is going VERY well)

I especially enjoyed this tid bit because I have always had an extreme fondness for halflings. I believe it was Troy Denning who did wrote the third book of the Avatar Trilogy in which the halfling Sneakabout was mentioned. (though I believe he was under the pen name Richard Arlinson or something like that at the time) That halfling was SO well written, made me love them forever.

Also, I wrote a post no here a while back, i BELIEVE on page 116, wherein I asked about Athkatla, and the Cowled Wizards. It was an inquiry as to how it is the Wizards detect the casting of magic that goes on in the city, which has (or at least WAS... not sure where it stands now) been deemed illegal within its walls.

Yours Truely, Deder Sandstorm
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gomez
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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 :  07:22:37  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One


The fates of the three are unknown, because they maintained very low public profiles, using passing Harpers to send out their work and receive payments. They could have died or moved without the wider Realms being aware of it, if Harpers didn't talk...and most Harpers don't talk about such things, Spellplague or no Spellplague.



It's not that likely they survived the hundred-year gap though, right?
Halfling and half-elves do not live that long, iirc.

Gomez
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gomez
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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 :  07:34:34  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Bruce Donohue

Hello Hooded and Ed,

Now all the Drow that were Eilistraee worshipers and all those that were good and descendents of Mieryatar (sorry about the spelling) at end of Lisa's Book were changed back to their true Mieyatar elves



Not *all* of them. A few priestesses of Eilistraee stayed drow (due to exceptional circumstances).
I think they are considered green elves (or a version thereof).

Gomez
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Bruce Donohue
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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 :  17:47:40  Show Profile  Send Bruce Donohue a Yahoo! Message Send Bruce Donohue a Private Message
I read today in the book Grand History of Forgotten Realms, that in 1385 that Cyric and Shar combined forces and murdered Mystra on her home plane, the blast resulting from her death killed Savras, and expelled Azuth and Velshoon to the Astral plane, furthermore, it states that only the Greater Gods survived. It states that Lathander,Sune and Tyr, combined forces and imprisoned Cyric for 1000 years to the confines of his home plane.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 :  18:31:53  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Yes. That's what we know thus far (and remember: unreliable narrators, always; the major facts are certainly right, but the details may be wrong or slanted).
Sandstorm, as it happens - - YES, by coincidence - - I just got Ed's answer to your question ("How do the mages in the city detect the use of arcane use?"), and here it is:


By use of a large web of wards covering much of the city, of course (a patchwork equivalent of a mythal). Though this webwork is constantly failing, here and there (and having to be repaired by the Cowled Wizards doing new castings), it holds up pretty well except when deliberately magically attacked, because all it does is detect, scry, and provide "anchor points" ('perfect' destinations) for Cowled Wizards teleports. All Cowled Wizards use a phrase or gesture in their castings that identifies them as Cowled Wizards to these wards; all other castings within or entering or exiting the wards trigger an alarm (so it's a detect magic modification thing). Shows precise location and extent of spell effects, but nothing else...so patrols of warriors, with wizards as "undercover" backup, are sent scurrying to the spot.


So saith Ed. More Realmslore, served up piping fresh!
love to all,
THO
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Bruce Donohue
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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 :  19:03:50  Show Profile  Send Bruce Donohue a Yahoo! Message Send Bruce Donohue a Private Message
<Yes. That's what we know thus far (and remember: unreliable narrators, always; the major facts are certainly right, but the details may be wrong or slanted).> quote from THO.

Sorry THO I must have missed something in reading the previous posts, but which question does this relate to?
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 :  20:39:25  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, Bruce. It was directly in response to your post, right above mine. As in: yes, that's what Grand History says...but we don't know details, or if it's been stated slightly skewed (after all, from whom does this data come? what all-knowing mortal? If a god, well, all the gods lie or exaggerate or...).
Just saying.
love,
THO
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 :  20:54:09  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
Exactly! I mean, for all we mere mortals know, Cyric and Shar struck at Mystra, but failed miserably. In the ensuing battle, Mystra could have killed both gods, absorbing their portfolios, which drove her insane, forcing the other gods to lock her in Dweomerheart and make it look like it was destroyed until Mystra could 'right' herself. This could have caused the Spellplague as well, and the story of her death may just be a grandiose tale from Cyricists/Sharrans that are trying to resurrect their deities with lies to gather belief in the dead gods.


I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Brimstone
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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 :  21:16:04  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
No way!





"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep
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Icelander
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 :  21:24:21  Show Profile  Visit Icelander's Homepage Send Icelander a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Just came across those elusive identical halfling twins in my 1981 Realms notes: the male hin Amandar and Melver Minstrelwish, both handsome, agile, and tall and thin (for halflings) sorts who were scourges of both halfling and human lasses in their youths (spent errand-running, swift-package-delivering, and spying [often from rooftops, by night, on "embarrassing bedchamber moments" for the patrons who hired them to blackmail with] in Waterdeep).

Any relation to the Minstrelwishes of Ravens Bluff?

Za uspiekh nashevo beznadiozhnovo diela!

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 :  21:45:42  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, all.
Yes, Icelander, they are...but not closely.

The Minstrelwish clan is HUGE and many-branched, not to mention scattered across darned near all of Faerun. With its own internal feuds and "standoffish" facets, too, though in general all Minstrelwishes give shelter and aid to all others, who appear and are in need.


(The paragraph I've set apart, above, comes straight from Ed's notes.)
love,
THO
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Bruce Donohue
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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 :  23:25:35  Show Profile  Send Bruce Donohue a Yahoo! Message Send Bruce Donohue a Private Message
Heehee thanks THO, insert Duh, on my part. Sorry I missed that. That is a very cool and interesting way to look it from that perspective. I guess we will have to see if anyone can substantiate it at some point, on a side note, I thought Ed might know considering he wrote it <insert mischevious grin> I wonder if any scribes who have survived that time did look into it,such as any reputable cleric of Sune, Tyr, or Lathander,mmm of maybe Oghma hiself if he chronicled it in his writings. It would make for one very interesting campaign for sure and I wonder who would sponser such an investigation?

THO can you ask Ed if the Temple of Lathander in Myth Drannor was re-established post Spellplague since it was still in effect in there up until the Spellplague and I think there used to be another one in the Dales but I can't remember the town's name.Where was it again?

Is the reason that the that Anaroch is fertile again in part because the spells of the Phaerimm that caused it are no more and because of the Spellplague that ar the cause of the restoration of the land? Or is it due the Shadovar?

Thanks again in advance for any help you can give.

Bruce

Edited by - Bruce Donohue on 22 Dec 2009 23:30:32
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Blueblade
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Posted - 23 Dec 2009 :  01:48:11  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Uh, no, Bruce, that account of Mystra's death ISN'T one of the passages in GHotR that Ed wrote.
From what was said at GenCon this year, all of the "advent of the Spellplague" stuff was written in-house, and not shown to freelancers working on the project.
Now, Ed MIGHT have be shown it before publication, out of courtesy, but he didn't write it. (This information comes from Wizards staffers answering questions at panels at the last GenCon - - and if any of them spoke incorrectly, there were six other staffers, right up to Bill Slaviscek, head of the game end of things, sitting there who could have corrected them. And didn't.)
I'm guessing Ed isn't free to talk about this . . . but I also think, from some half-hints dropped in this thread by Ed and by THO, that we'll learn more, in little bits, in future FR publications.
Just my two coppers.
BB
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Bruce Donohue
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Posted - 23 Dec 2009 :  10:34:14  Show Profile  Send Bruce Donohue a Yahoo! Message Send Bruce Donohue a Private Message
Ok cool and thanks Blueblade, wasn't sure or not since on the cover of the book it had his name indicated. Much appreciated for the heads up. :)
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Menelvagor
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Posted - 25 Dec 2009 :  06:45:01  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
So I've got a new question for Ed:
I've noticed that in most of your books, before the dedication, there is usually some phrase in Latin. My question is in two parts: First, where does this fondness for latin phrses come from, and does it signify something?
Second, regarding the relevance of the quote. In Silverfall, it was quite understandable. The second phrase in Elminster's Daughter was quite relevant, but what did the first part ('sedit qui timuit ne non succederet') have to do with? Was the phrase in Swords of Eveningstar relevant to the book, or as I suspect, to the writing process? Also, what was the relevance of the quotes in Swords of Dragonfire and the Sword Never Sleeps?
Just to be clear, I'm not asking for translation; I've gotten that on my own. I want to know (if Ed is willing to say) how these phrases are connected ot the book.

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."

Edited by - Menelvagor on 25 Dec 2009 06:45:59
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Brimstone
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Posted - 25 Dec 2009 :  08:28:57  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
Didn't Ed learn about the Spellplague at a secret Gencon meeting in 2005, or 2006? I remember reading or hearing that I think on the WotC boards.

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep
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Kes_Alanadel
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Posted - 25 Dec 2009 :  15:58:28  Show Profile  Visit Kes_Alanadel's Homepage  Send Kes_Alanadel a Yahoo! Message Send Kes_Alanadel a Private Message
Dear Ed and THO,

Just popping by to wish you a very Merry Christmas and a profitable and Happy New Year. Thank you both for the many gifts that you give the scribes here at the 'Keep all year long!

Warm regards,
~Kes

Ack! I seem to have too much blood in my coffee stream!

When did 'common sense' cease to be common?
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Joran Nobleheart
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Posted - 25 Dec 2009 :  20:39:49  Show Profile  Visit Joran Nobleheart's Homepage Send Joran Nobleheart a Private Message
Dear Mr. Greenwood and Lady THO, Merry Christmas and the Happiest of New Year to you and your families.

Paladinic Ethos
Saint Joran Nobleheart
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Brimstone
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Posted - 26 Dec 2009 :  04:19:42  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
Happy Holidays.

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 27 Dec 2009 :  15:53:25  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all! Ed and I both want to wish you all happy holidays - - and to a brighter, happier-than-2009 New Year of 2010 for everyone!
May we all greet the end of 2010 in a better wise than we stand here now. With the Realms rich and vibrant around us, as well as the real world.

love to all of you,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 27 Dec 2009 :  15:59:27  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again.
Brimstone, Ed was indeed part of that secret Realms summit held in certain "back of the Marriott ground floor" at a GenCon some years ago.
However, the Spellplague had no name then, and there were no details of divine deaths (or anything more than the floating of a "prune the large pantheons" idea). That meeting featured much fierce (but not unfriendly) debate, because everyone taking part cared passionately about the Realms.
NDAs still cover details of what was (as opposed to what was not) discussed and decided, but Ed tells me he won't get into answering "Well, if this wasn't said, was that said?" queries designed to winnow it information by elimination. He'd much rather put the time into writing new Realmslore and Realms novels rather than playing nudge-and-wink duck and dodge NDAs games.
To which I responded: Awwwwww...
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 27 Dec 2009 :  16:05:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hmmm. Speaking of which: Ed is well aware of the unfinished four sample Cormyrean noble families, Thunderstone lore, and all the other queries, from 2004 through until today, he still needs to get around to answering.
However, he's interested in knowing what topics of Realmslore (specific things, not "all about Cormyr" or "everything that happened from the end of Grand History to the start date of the 4e guide") scribes would most like to see covered, somewhere and somehow, in 2010. Ed's Eye on the Realms column in D&D Insider (Dungeon Magazine) is written in advance for almost an entire year's-worth, and he can't put Realmslore into Kobold Quarterly or other non-Wizards sources (except here and tangentially at loremaster), but he CAN steer writing he is doing to touch on, give hints about, and somewhat address some things, if he knows you're burning to know more about something specific (regulation War Wizards undergarments, for example ).
So, right here and right now, let us know, okay?
love,
THO
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Dec 2009 :  16:13:03  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
It's funny you should mention that my lady, because that's one of the "changes" I've been thinking about implementing for next year's Questions for Ed Greenwood scroll. I'll likely follow this up in an email, however, as there's a few delicate points I want to address first.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 27 Dec 2009 :  16:18:37  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Fire away, Sage dearest. I'm all ears.
(Except, of course, for my more interesting body parts that aren't ears. )
Ahem.
love,
THO
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