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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  03:32:12  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
The noble is Lord Erephrand Downshield (the Earl of Downshield), the son of Roryn Downshield,


Excellent, another unbeknownst to us all Noble of Cormyr, with enough Lore to build upon (as with the others on the All about Cormyr Thread )

Thanks Ed for sharing

Kind regards

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Marco Volo
Learned Scribe

France
173 Posts

Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  15:10:31  Show Profile Send Marco Volo a Private Message
quote:
both your questions and Damian's replies have gone off to Ed, in hopes that he'll reveal more - - especially about Mellomir.

Thanks a lot THO and Damian for your help and your answers !
I hope Mr Ed. will grant our wishes with his knowledge.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  16:18:53  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Hoondatha, regarding these queries: "So I take it, THO, you're a fan of Jacqueline Carey's, uh, genre?
And to bring this back around, I have what is hopefully an easy question: how the heck do you pronounce Eaerlann? Up til now I've been pronouncing it as "AIR-eh-lann," but I realized the other day that that's not at all how it's spelled. I have no idea how to pronounce "eae," and so for years I've been subconciously moving letters around, pronouncing it as though it was spelled Aerelann. Which isn't how it's spelled. I was hoping the great wordsmyth might help a poor, tongue-tied player with the proper pronunciation. Thanks!"
I can step forward to reply, Ed being hard at work at his library job right now. Some of Ms. Carey's writing works for me, and some has pacing problems, but the sex is just fine. I like it outdoors, I like it bondage or not, spanking or whipping or not, and so on (in other words, I could go on being far more explicit than some scribes might prefer, just to say I like it in all sorts of ways ). So, on to Eaerlann . . .

From hearing Ed (who created the place and coined its name [pre-TSR, I'd say, looking at his old pencil maps]) use its name for years, I can tell you definitively that it's pronounced "AIR-hh-lann" (the "hh" being little more than an audible indrawing of breath, softer than an "uh" . . . and the voice lingering on the "an" at the end, in a "go down and hold it, flat" intonation.
And yes, the Elvish "Eae" is usually pronounced "air" (the exceptions being modifying consonants following the "eae" in a name or word; "v" and "y" and "z" all cause the "E" to be sounded in "Eae" so that, for example, Eaeve is pronounced "EE-vh" (again, "vh" being a shorter, softer variant of "vuh"). [[Or to put it far more simply, "Eaeve" would be pronounced by a real-world North American speaker as "Eve."]]

There you go. So saith me.
Call me any time, Hoondatha. [[purrrr]]
love,
THO
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  16:53:36  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
Heh. It's a good thing you usually attend GenCon incognito, THO, else you'd have quite the devoted pack following you around!

And thanks for the pronunciation help, I was rather embarrassed when I discovered what I'd been doing. Turns out I wasn't as far from the truth as I thought.

Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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Malcolm
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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  19:14:12  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
THO: So many willing partners, so little time, eh?
Seriously, Ed and THO, I have another Realms question (surprise!). This one concerns Sembia. Does Sembia have any government-related secret strike forces or cabals or even government departments of wizards, who might do the "secret service" MI5/MI6/FBI/CIA investigation and enforcement that Cormyr's War Wizards do?
Thanks!
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5043 Posts

Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  19:16:42  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Malcolm, in answer to your first: YES.
In answer to your second: Yes they do, from time to time. I'm actually surprised it's taken this long for someone to think along these lines and ask. I'm not sure how much Ed will want or be willing to reveal at this time, so off your query goes to him, and we'll all see...
love,
THO
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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  21:06:16  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Oh, Jakk, believe me: once he saw the stellar expanding and polishing job our Garen Thal did on the Cormyr lineage, Ed started moving heaven and earth to get it published, somewhere and somehow.
Even though that was a metaphorical heaven and earth, moving it was still a hard and heavy task, and isn't finished yet.
Believe me, we all want to see the Lineage published. Brian Cortijo did the superb job of rounding out the work of Ed, Eric, George, Grant, Tom, Bryon, and several others!
love,
THO



Thank you for the update, THO! I have one (erm... two) teensy questions regarding the logistics (not unpublished content) of the lineage, that I'm hoping Ed can answer.
1) Draxius: Was his lifespan and reign extended after the fact to account for chronological difficulties in previously published lore, or had he lived for so long from the time of his creation?
2) Also Draxius: Spoiler for those who have not read the Cormyr line of succession from the GHotR: Were he and his two predecessors always the same king, or was this a minor retcon? (I'm starting to hate that word, but I've been using the concept a lot in my Realms of late as I eradicate Earth-origin deities (with the exceptions of the Norse and Finnish pantheons) from my Realms.)

Thank you both, Ed and THO, for all of your time and energy spent on enlightening us poor benighted scribes!

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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Baleful Avatar
Learned Scribe

Canada
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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  21:29:29  Show Profile  Visit Baleful Avatar's Homepage Send Baleful Avatar a Private Message
Dear Ed and THO,
Are there any half-orcs known and tolerated as members of the royal household (servants, courtiers) in Cormyr? Are there any half-orcs known and tolerated as long-established inhabitants of Suzail?
Thanks!
P.S. As of just pre-Spellplague. Sorry, should have specified.

Edited by - Baleful Avatar on 07 Nov 2009 21:29:58
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Menelvagor
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Israel
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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  21:31:46  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One:
(There, Menelvagor; explicitly steamy enough for you?)


It's not myself I'm thinking of, my lady! It's all those scribes who need stimulation to their tired brains after some hard work! Malcolm put it perfectly, I think.
Anyway, there is a question to be asked here: What is the greatest desire of El and the Seven? I reaized that in fact, this is a very interesting question. They're quite powerful in the Realms, but as Chosen, they devote their power (though likely not all of it) to Mystra's will. So what would they wish for themselves, if they could?

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'."
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 :  21:55:05  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Menelvagor, from years of conversations with Ed, I'd say that if El and the Seven can ever be said to have a single common desire, it is this (from about the 1350s onwards): to have successors they can trust to take over safeguarding the Realms, so they can retire and die. Literally "rest in peace."
Of course, this is MY guess. Off to Ed for confirmation/comment...
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 08 Nov 2009 :  02:55:54  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. I'm back with more Realmslore and a clarification. That clarification first: I was astonished to learn that one of my work colleagues is a Realms fan, and has been quietly reading this thread for years. She put a question to me whose answer I will share with you all, regarding the Earl of Downshield: he only had one sister, and has outlived her, and so (as of the situation and time as Ed described it to us, in his reply to Blueblade) is the "last of his line." He is the only living Downshield noble.

Right. Now the Realmslore. Marco Volo, Damian (crazedventurers) posted in response to your Haunted Halls questions: "I have always assumed this was in a secret hard to find and beholder guarded sub-level rather than part of the second level, similar to how Whispers Crypt is?" and Ed replies:

Yes, indeed, Damian. Spot on. There is a room on the second level that several other rooms open out of. One of these entrance is a huge, tall, grand-looking pair of tall metal doors that are a trap: they aren't attached to their frames at all, which are overlapping lips on the inside, that prevent them being pushed inwards. If pulled (by their visible pull-rings) outward to open them, they topple onto the pullers, filling all of the floor space except those facing the areas of wall on either side of their frames.
Those frames are set into a stone wall that's six feet thick, and one of the frames is itself a secret, hidden door opening into a passage inside the thickness of that six-foot-thick wall, that leads down a flight of stone steps into the very beholder-guarded sub-level you speak of (there are other ways in and out, too).
I'd love to just hand over the keyed map and let you all enjoy, but I'm treading VERY carefully here to stay legal and avoid trouble for myself and Candlekeep. I'll reveal more when and if I get permission to do so.


So saith Ed. Who's back hard at work on the Realms.
love to all,
THO
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Marco Volo
Learned Scribe

France
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Posted - 08 Nov 2009 :  09:20:54  Show Profile Send Marco Volo a Private Message
That's great informations !
Thanks you so much Ed and THO !!
Good work and Love from Volo
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Brimstone
Great Reader

USA
2907 Posts

Posted - 08 Nov 2009 :  09:32:09  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha

Heh. It's a good thing you usually attend GenCon incognito, THO, else you'd have quite the devoted pack following you around!

Thats the truth!

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore

United Kingdom
1073 Posts

Posted - 08 Nov 2009 :  13:06:54  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
he thickness of that six-foot-thick wall, that leads down a flight of stone steps into the very beholder-guarded sub-level you speak of (there are other ways in and out, too).



Thank you Ed for your reply. As ever one question answered leads to a few more

Question for Lady Lord THO first:

Did the Knights discover this beholder guarded sub-level? if so can you briefly described what happened?


Questions for Ed:
purely speculating regarding the beholders, it would seem that they would be enthralled to be there as gate guardians given their intelligence and ferocity. Could you speculate on who might have placed them there and why? (to stop things going through from the Halls, or to keep things from coming through INTO the Halls perhaps?). Unless of course the beholders have chosen to guard the gate?


Were Riviors Keep and the Haunted Halls built in the same time period? Can you share any lore on the dwarves that constructed them? (Clan name would be fine). Are the Dwarfs survivors of the Oghran kingdom?


World building question: We see lots of mini dungeons/self contained sub-levels throughout the Realms, as a DM do you prefer them to larger more sprawling dungeons that were the 'norm' when D&D first came out? Am wondering the how/why/when's of choice of dungeon design and their playing style? Do they suit your DM'ing style and your players more?

Thanks Ed for taking the time to share with us all.

Best wishes

Damian



So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Jakk
Great Reader

Canada
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Posted - 08 Nov 2009 :  18:31:44  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by crazedventurers

<chop>
World building question: We see lots of mini dungeons/self contained sub-levels throughout the Realms, as a DM do you prefer them to larger more sprawling dungeons that were the 'norm' when D&D first came out? Am wondering the how/why/when's of choice of dungeon design and their playing style? Do they suit your DM'ing style and your players more?

Thanks Ed for taking the time to share with us all.

Best wishes

Damian



Damian, I'm not Ed, but I'd venture to say that the proliferation of smaller self-contained dungeons relative to sprawling complexes like Undermountain is a simple matter of statistics and consistency in world-building; you will find many more small complexes simply because they're easier to construct, and therefore many more interested builders have the time for them. It's like community sizes; you only see the big cities on large-scale maps, but there are many more villages and hamlets than cities; they just don't show up on the big maps.

Sending this back to Ed for the right answer... and Ed's preferences as a DM, which interest me as well.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Addendum: A further dungeon-related question, also inspired by Damian (as recently re-posted in the "All About Cormyr" scroll):

Is there any chance of the complete Haunted Halls ever seeing publication? This is a publication I would pay money for, even as a PDF with 4E mechanics, as long as the entire module outside of game mechanics is either left as-is or handled by an Ed-friendly editor. Note that I would pay money for this particular publication; WotC should know that releasing this through DDi will not motivate me to sign up, nor will any financial consideration short of six figures (this is WotC paying me now, not the other way around). Given what we've heard about the Spellplague and the magical inscription cut from the original module, I think it would make a great "introduction to the Spellplague" mini-campaign. Also, what I said about being willing to pay for a downloadable PDF separate from DDi also goes for the Cormyr lineage as well. Maybe the smell of money will get Wizbro moving on this...

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 08 Nov 2009 19:00:13
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Jakk
Great Reader

Canada
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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 :  02:13:55  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Menelvagor, from years of conversations with Ed, I'd say that if El and the Seven can ever be said to have a single common desire, it is this (from about the 1350s onwards): to have successors they can trust to take over safeguarding the Realms, so they can retire and die. Literally "rest in peace."
Of course, this is MY guess. Off to Ed for confirmation/comment...
love,
THO



Heh. That's the opener for all kinds of cans of worms labelled clearly by the Spellplague (or, perhaps, with that word itself) after so many other high-profile NPCs have passed on... anyway, I have a question regarding wyrms, not worms...

Is there a name for the draconic pantheon of the Realms, in the way that the elven pantheon is the Seldarine and the dwarven pantheon is the Morndinsamman? I ask partly out of curiosity, and partly out of a desire to have a proper draconic name for the pantheon's home plane in the Realms cosmology; having a proper dwarven name for the home plane of the Morndinsamman would be nice too, but I may just use Nidavellir; I am, after all, integrating the Realmsian Great Tree with the Norse Nine Worlds in my redevelopment of the Northmen. Yes, I know it's derivative, but I'm compensating for it by eliminating the canonical Mulhorand as well as Unther in my Realms; I suspect they will be crushed by a ruthlessly expansionist Thay in the aftermath of the Spellplague (my version) in which the Mulhorandi deities are slain by a long-dormant Imaskari retributive contingency that was intended to be triggered by the dissolution of the Imaskari barrier, but experienced a "hang-fire" of sorts until the Spellplague came along.

Thanks again, Ed and THO!

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 09 Nov 2009 02:16:17
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Elfinblade
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Norway
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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 :  20:11:23  Show Profile Send Elfinblade a Private Message
Thankee for the fast reply lady hooded. That had everything i needed on that particular subject :)
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 :  21:01:48  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
A pleasure, Elfinblade!
Jakk, I know that Draxius was someone else's brilliant idea (not Ed's), but that he wasn't handled the way he was because of published lore conflicts...it was just that the idea was too good NOT to use.
I'll leave it to Ed to say more, if he can.
love,
THO
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 :  22:09:22  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
1) Draxius: Was his lifespan and reign extended after the fact to account for chronological difficulties in previously published lore, or had he lived for so long from the time of his creation?


quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Jakk, I know that Draxius was someone else's brilliant idea (not Ed's), but that he wasn't handled the way he was because of published lore conflicts...it was just that the idea was too good NOT to use.
I'll leave it to Ed to say more, if he can.
I can elaborate a very little bit, if I may.

THO is, of course, correct; in fact, by the time I got my hot little hands on the Royal Lineage of Cormyr, Draxius' life (and his predecessors') had already beeen established. Although some royals have been created in order to make the Cormyr lore 'fit' into the established timeline, the actual crowned heads have been pretty well set for several years. Their reigns were tweaked very slightly to match published Realmslore, but a lot of work went into getting those dates right long before I ever even knew there even was a Lineage, and any tweaks to the final roll of kings (as it appears in GHotR) were done with great care.
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Blueblade
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Posted - 10 Nov 2009 :  23:16:00  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Dear Ed and THO,
I presume apothecaries in the Realms make their own "pills" (or powders, or drinks). Do they share raw ingredients, though? As in, buy and sell stuff from herbalists and alchemists? Or do they have to almost exclusively gather their own or hire others (e.g. adventurers) to gather/harvest/hunt down stuff for them?
Thanks!
BB
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Malcolm
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Posted - 11 Nov 2009 :  00:55:09  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
Hmmm. That question spurs me to ask another of my own: in the Hitchiker books, we hear of famous/infamous mixed drinks like the Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster.
Are there notorious drinks in the Realms? Either mixed or "house brew" beers/wines/spirits widely known to have strange or potent or fierce effects or side-effects?
Thanks!
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Baleful Avatar
Learned Scribe

Canada
161 Posts

Posted - 11 Nov 2009 :  00:57:29  Show Profile  Visit Baleful Avatar's Homepage Send Baleful Avatar a Private Message
Dear Ed,
Is there one of the Seven Sisters that you'd love to write more about? If so, why?
(I'm not asking you to give away secrets about forthcoming Realms fiction by you or anyone; I'm really asking about which character you feel has been most neglected, and why that "relative neglect" needs, or might need, redressing...
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gomez
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Netherlands
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Posted - 11 Nov 2009 :  12:57:43  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
Baleful Avatar, I believe Ed recently commented that Alustriel, followed by Storm, would be his choice at this point in time.
The actual answer be several pages back in this thread.


By the way for those who are interested, Eye on the Realms is at:

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.aspx?x=dnd/duad/20091111

Amreth Gaunt trades a lot in Sembia, Cormyr, and more to the west, but it seems not much in the Dalelands or the east.
Very useful as a NPC if you wish to work with some Cormyr-Sembia friction (not my terrain at the moment, sadly).

Here is hoping for more lore that is closer to my work area ;)
At any rate, it is good to see these type of articles surface after the avalanche of crunchy-lore-lacking two-page power/feat/PP Dragon articles.

Gomez

Edited by - gomez on 11 Nov 2009 13:07:11
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Malcolm
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Posted - 11 Nov 2009 :  15:53:06  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
Dear Ed and THO,
In the time before the return of Shade, was any foreign power trying to control Sembia or succeeding in any measure in doing so? (Obviously no one was publicly trying, because there's no hint in published Realmslore of successul manipulation or coercion, but I think I've detected some hints in the way in which both of you have answered questions in this thread, over the years. Am I right?)
Thanks. I'll understand if this is NDA.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 11 Nov 2009 :  18:23:11  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi! You're right, Malcolm, but I don't know if I've just been reflecting what pertains in Ed's home campaign, or if this is strongly NDA, so I've sent your post on to Ed and won't say anything more, only await his reply.
love,
THO
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