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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
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 Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 11:39:26
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-Drizzt looks like a cross of Emperor Palpatine and Austin Powers there.
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Alisttair
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Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 13:40:50
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Originally posted by ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-Drizzt looks like a cross of Emperor Palpatine and Austin Powers there.
"Does the Dark Side make you horny, baby?"
That made my day!
After dealing with all this snow here in Ottawa, this just brightened me up also.  |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 15:53:07
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
"Does the Dark Side make you horny, baby?"
-See, it just naturally works.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It doesn't matter how it was done. The end result was a black-skinned drow. That proves it could be done.
-It's not, though. If dark blue, purple and/or gray hues were indeed used (and, by my eye, that's what it seems, but I'm no art connoisseur, so...), then you've got a dark blue, purple and/or gray Drow that looks black, not a black Drow. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 16:54:45
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It doesn't matter how it was done. The end result was a black-skinned drow. That proves it could be done.
-It's not, though. If dark blue, purple and/or gray hues were indeed used (and, by my eye, that's what it seems, but I'm no art connoisseur, so...), then you've got a dark blue, purple and/or gray Drow that looks black, not a black Drow.
If the end result is a drow that appears to have black skin, then how they got there doesn't matter. The drow on that cover (and on some other books I've seen) appears to have black skin -- so that's enough for me. The art matches the description. |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 17:19:17
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-So, you are accepting that Drow cannot be colored and shaded using black, with the caveat that other colors/hues can and should be used to make the individual appear as black to the naked eye as possible.
-I, myself, have become partial to the "purple Drow".  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 17:44:40
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-So, you are accepting that Drow cannot be colored and shaded using black, with the caveat that other colors/hues can and should be used to make the individual appear as black to the naked eye as possible.
-I, myself, have become partial to the "purple Drow".
No, I'm not accepting that. I'm saying that it doesn't matter if they mix orange, pink, mauve, indigo, and plaid to make black, or if they use just black -- so long as the end result looks black, I don't care how they got there. The end result can be achieved, and it has been achieved. That's all that matters to me. |
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
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Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 18:15:52
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| There is also a difference in art styles. Maybe some artists are more skilled at shading and therefore capable of creating the black look, while others don't use heavy shading in their work and therefore aren't as skilled in its use. |
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Lord Karsus
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 22:59:45
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-Looking black =/= black, thus enabling the claim that it cannot properly be done with black to be correct.
The claim wasn't that it couldn't be done with black, the claim was that it couldn't be done, period. |
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
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Posted - 10 Dec 2008 : 23:02:33
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-Looking black =/= black, thus enabling the claim that it cannot properly be done with black to be correct.
The claim wasn't that it couldn't be done with black, the claim was that it couldn't be done, period.
What I meant was that maybe it could be done by some artists, but maybe other artists just didn't have the right style or skill level to do it. |
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BEAST
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 09:35:18
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The Space Hamster was referring to the effectively black color of the drow character's resultant skin in the created image ("The end result was a black-skinned drow"), while Dag was referring to the pigments of the paint or digital tools used in order to create the images in the first place ("that Drow isn't colored in using black, but rather, dark hues of blue, purple, and gray"). Apples and oranges. Or maybe apples and appleseeds. Dagnirion is talking tools, while Wooly was talking end-product.
To say what color something is really is highly subjective and relative. There are so many factors that go into contructing an image, lighting it, transporting it through intermediary media, conveying it into our eyes and peripheral anatomical components, clearing whatever obstacles lie in wait (such as color blindness, cataracts, or tinted lenses), and then finally into our psychological perceptions of it all, that to say what color an object is really does depend on one's particular frame of reference at any given moment in time and space. What color an object has or should be characterized by depends on all of that intermediate stuff, right down to the individual viewer's mind. Dag, the color of the materials or tools preliminarily selected in order to craft the image really is only the beginning--not the final answer.
If Wooly said that drow was black-skinned, then he was right for himself (and a whole lot of other people, I would reckon). Dag, if you perceive the finished drow image to appear to have skin that does not look black, then for you, I guess, it is not black.  |
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BARDOBARBAROS
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 14:17:29
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BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
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rockyoumonkeys
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 17:14:55
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I think I definitely prefer the old covers, though some of the new covers are pretty nice.
I guess I just prefer that old-fashioned fantasy art. |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 11 Dec 2008 : 19:06:36
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| Personally, I find the older covers "campy" for the most part, which is why I prefer the new covers. |
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dwarvenranger
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Posted - 18 Dec 2008 : 01:25:59
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mostly old. Can't beat Elmore, Easley, and Caldwell Art. I do like many of the newer covers as well though.
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Laerrigan
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Posted - 02 Jan 2009 : 04:57:46
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| I'm a sucker for attempts at photorealism, maybe with twists of romance (art style, not that kind of romance) and/or impressionism, to say nothing of natural-looking dragons, so I'll always gravitate toward Lockwood.... |
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Thalos_Milathriel
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Posted - 03 Jan 2009 : 01:26:19
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There are some exceptions, but I'd have to vote NEW just because of Todd Lockwood. All his stuff is very detailed, and so well done that it encourages the suspension of disbelief, which I think is the mark of great fantasy art.
I'm even planning on purchasing some Lockwood prints to hang in my new basement office/den/FR collection storage room. |
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swifty
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Posted - 03 Jan 2009 : 09:23:46
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| for me its a case of good cover in the late 80s up to the mid 90s but there were some shocking ones in the late 90s.eg the drizzt books faces of deception and the shadow stone.my favourite cover is probably darkwalker on moonshae. |
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Brynweir
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Posted - 03 Jan 2009 : 15:28:41
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| I have to say that I like the older covers better, but Lockwood does some fine work. Brings to mind Michael Whelan, who happens to be my favorite... though not so much in FR. |
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Calen
Acolyte
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Posted - 03 Jan 2009 : 19:10:11
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| I am for sure into the older covers. Having a lot of the vintage books, I usually scour the used book stores for the old covers to work n completing the collection. I have always loved Easley's and Elmore's work the best |
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 03 Jan 2009 : 21:04:16
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I have to say that I like the older covers better, but Lockwood does some fine work. Brings to mind Michael Whelan, who happens to be my favorite... though not so much in FR.
I like Lockwood's stuff quite a lot as well, but the old covers just make me feel happy. They remind me of some of the first Realms books I read when I was about 10 years old. |
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