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Drakul
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Posted - 19 Nov 2008 :  18:38:52  Show Profile  Visit Drakul's Homepage  Click to see Drakul's MSN Messenger address Send Drakul a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Poll Question:
Should there be a trilogy based on the Jaezred Chaulssin??

OP's Notes: I think they deserve a trilogy. I would love to read about their history in a novel that has a more indepth plot than reading the WE (no offense Mr. Boyd). The WE is a great work in itself, but I feel that the fans deserve more.

Choices:

Most definately
Not really
Undecided

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Ashe Ravenheart
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Meh. I voted Undecided. This is like asking if there should be a trilogy on the Zhents or Harpers. What would it entail? I like to see lore on just about everything in the Realms, so I'd appreciate the focus on something like this. On the other hand, I'm just not that big of a fan of JC in particular to campaign for it.

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Drakul
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There already has been a series of The Harpers (as everyone knows), but I would like to see more lore on these groups.

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quote:
Originally posted by Drakul

There already has been a series of The Harpers (as everyone knows), but I would like to see more lore on these groups.


My point exactly. It ran for 16 books and I still think it was cut short.

Novels don't do a organization justice for lore, IMO.

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Drakul
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Perhaps, perhaps not. I still would love to see a trilogy on the JC. Its just somethin that I would seriously covet.

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Most definately...Yes ..Actually my previous character (Now dead by a necromancer)in the last campaign that i played was from this organization!!!it's interesting

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Yes...a trilogy...
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Wooly Rupert
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As I said before, I don't think there's enough interest in this group to justify a trilogy... If there was a trilogy, I know that I, for one, would most likely ignore it -- I've grown tired of the constant focus on drow.

In fact, I'd have chosen "definitely not" if it was an option. Not only am I bored with drow, I'd also love to see a lot of other stories get told before we get to this one.

I'd rather see a variation on the Harpers series: an open-ended series of novels, each one focusing on a single organization. We could revisit the Harpers, see the Rundeen, see the Twisted Rune, see the Zhentarim actually show their intelligence, see some merchant costers, find out what the Confluence is doing... All that kind of stuff. And best of all, doing it like that would mean that popular characters could wind up being revisited -- Arilyn and Danilo, for example, first appeared in Harpers novels, before their books were later separated to their own series.

In an ideal world, we'd also have a series like that, focusing on Manshoon clones.

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-"The Organizations", a four-part series of stand alone novels detailing some of Faerūn's most influential and mysterious organizations. (Note, this is the "old" Forgotten Realms)

Book I: The Black Network, a tale about the Zhentarim and the position they are in following their "take over" of the Moonsea Region and the return of the Elves to Myth Drannor, told from the viewpoints of Fzoul Chembryl (and detailing the return of Bane!), Dhamir Ercals, and a Harper agent.

Book II: Wearers of Purple, a tale about a former member of the Cult of the Dragon realizing that, when he joined, he was addicted to alcohol and was in a different state of mind, and him attempting to escape the organization, which is reeling after it's "failure" in 1,373 DR.

Book III: Sins of the Fathers, a tale about two Olin Gisiae agents investigating the happenings in and around Shaundalar, culminating in an investigation and trip into Narathmault, beneath Dun-Tharos.

Book IV: ...I don't know...

-That'd be my super wish list, though

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I'd rather see a variation on the Harpers series: an open-ended series of novels, each one focusing on a single organization. We could revisit the Harpers, see the Rundeen, see the Twisted Rune, see the Zhentarim actually show their intelligence, see some merchant costers, find out what the Confluence is doing... All that kind of stuff. And best of all, doing it like that would mean that popular characters could wind up being revisited -- Arilyn and Danilo, for example, first appeared in Harpers novels, before their books were later separated to their own series.

In an ideal world, we'd also have a series like that, focusing on Manshoon clones.
Or something like a "Life of Halaster" series.

That'd be a massive novel. I think sometimes people forget at times that Hilather/Halaster is older by at least a century or two over Elminster, and his history's still not covered after 5 novels. I shudder to think what it'd take to do Halaster justice [or if it's even possible to attempt a story from his POV -- at least six POVs simultaneously across Undermountain]. Still, it could be a great experiment in nonlinear narrative, that.

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Thalos_Milathriel
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Yes. I enjoyed reading about them and there are a lot of possible angles and plot concepts that could make for a great story arc. I'm down.

"Or something like a "Life of Halaster" series."

Yeah, sign me up for that too!
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I saw their stats (Dragons of Faerūn and its web-enhancement) and thought: Well, well, these thing could walk over many a drow settlement and push it into submission. Not what is really needed.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Or something like a "Life of Halaster" series.

That'd be a massive novel. I think sometimes people forget at times that Hilather/Halaster is older by at least a century or two over Elminster, and his history's still not covered after 5 novels. I shudder to think what it'd take to do Halaster justice [or if it's even possible to attempt a story from his POV -- at least six POVs simultaneously across Undermountain]. Still, it could be a great experiment in nonlinear narrative, that.





Yes .. i agree absolutely..Halaster novels would be great ...

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Not really. Sorry, I'm just not that interested, as I've said before.

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quote:
Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Or something like a "Life of Halaster" series.

That'd be a massive novel. I think sometimes people forget at times that Hilather/Halaster is older by at least a century or two over Elminster, and his history's still not covered after 5 novels. I shudder to think what it'd take to do Halaster justice [or if it's even possible to attempt a story from his POV -- at least six POVs simultaneously across Undermountain]. Still, it could be a great experiment in nonlinear narrative, that.




I like the idea of a Halaster series.

But if you really want to go epic, let's see the story of the Terraseer...


Yes .. i agree absolutely..Halaster novels would be great ...


I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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I might get thrown out of the "drow fangirl" club, but I can't say that I'm really all that interested in them as a group, nor do I think that a whole trilogy would be necessary to make an interesting story involving them.

I do love the idea of a set of stand alone novels highlighting various organizations though ^.^
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-I voted yes, after all me did get the War of the Spider Queen Series. I found the group interesting, yes according to 3E stats they should rule. Now that would be one hell of a fight.


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quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

-I voted yes, after all me did get the War of the Spider Queen Series. I found the group interesting, yes according to 3E stats they should rule. Now that would be one hell of a fight.

BRIMSTONE



Coming to think of it, I doubt that. Big Mum won't want her children to suffer from such high'n mighty ones too much and for all their personal "power", they might find it difficult if the Lolthites send a dozen yochlols (FC I) and a balor on their trail. Anyways, that's all hypothesis and we know that despite all their personal power, they could not even get a foothold in Ched Nasad for that long - though this obviously was plot- and not stat-driven.

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quote:
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Or something like a "Life of Halaster" series.

That'd be a massive novel. I think sometimes people forget at times that Hilather/Halaster is older by at least a century or two over Elminster, and his history's still not covered after 5 novels. I shudder to think what it'd take to do Halaster justice [or if it's even possible to attempt a story from his POV -- at least six POVs simultaneously across Undermountain]. Still, it could be a great experiment in nonlinear narrative, that.




I thought that Halaster was the last High Artificer of Imaskar, and as such was several thousand years older than El.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ardashir

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Or something like a "Life of Halaster" series.

That'd be a massive novel. I think sometimes people forget at times that Hilather/Halaster is older by at least a century or two over Elminster, and his history's still not covered after 5 novels. I shudder to think what it'd take to do Halaster justice [or if it's even possible to attempt a story from his POV -- at least six POVs simultaneously across Undermountain]. Still, it could be a great experiment in nonlinear narrative, that.




I thought that Halaster was the last High Artificer of Imaskar, and as such was several thousand years older than El.



Several thousand is, by definition, at least a century.

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It's as Wooly said.

Besides, I was kinda understating Halaster's age, just a little, for fun.

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quote:
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It's as Wooly said.

Besides, I was kinda understating Halaster's age, just a little, for fun.



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quote:
Originally posted by Zanan

quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

-I voted yes, after all me did get the War of the Spider Queen Series. I found the group interesting, yes according to 3E stats they should rule. Now that would be one hell of a fight.

BRIMSTONE



Coming to think of it, I doubt that. Big Mum won't want her children to suffer from such high'n mighty ones too much and for all their personal "power", they might find it difficult if the Lolthites send a dozen yochlols (FC I) and a balor on their trail. Anyways, that's all hypothesis and we know that despite all their personal power, they could not even get a foothold in Ched Nasad for that long - though this obviously was plot- and not stat-driven.



Interesting, Zanan. Then why are they already bringing Ched Nasad into the Plane of Shadow?? Seems like they have moret han a foothold in the former City of Shimmering Webs.

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quote:
Originally posted by Drakul

quote:
Originally posted by Zanan

quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

-I voted yes, after all me did get the War of the Spider Queen Series. I found the group interesting, yes according to 3E stats they should rule. Now that would be one hell of a fight.

BRIMSTONE



Coming to think of it, I doubt that. Big Mum won't want her children to suffer from such high'n mighty ones too much and for all their personal "power", they might find it difficult if the Lolthites send a dozen yochlols (FC I) and a balor on their trail. Anyways, that's all hypothesis and we know that despite all their personal power, they could not even get a foothold in Ched Nasad for that long - though this obviously was plot- and not stat-driven.



Interesting, Zanan. Then why are they already bringing Ched Nasad into the Plane of Shadow?? Seems like they have moret han a foothold in the former City of Shimmering Webs.



Not according to the FRCG, where it is said ...

quote:
Faathryll Teh’Kinrellz, Matron Mother of the First House of Ched Nasad, is firmly in control of the city and its six other new or restored houses. One concession they have made is a continuing close association with the Jaezred Chaulssin.


So they are there, but otherwise dropped in influence again.

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-Looks like they screwed the pooch again on this one. Oh snap, maybe I could create why and how that happened and then use it as a possible plot hook in my game!


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quote:
Originally posted by Zanan

quote:
Originally posted by Drakul

quote:
Originally posted by Zanan

quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

-I voted yes, after all me did get the War of the Spider Queen Series. I found the group interesting, yes according to 3E stats they should rule. Now that would be one hell of a fight.

BRIMSTONE



Coming to think of it, I doubt that. Big Mum won't want her children to suffer from such high'n mighty ones too much and for all their personal "power", they might find it difficult if the Lolthites send a dozen yochlols (FC I) and a balor on their trail. Anyways, that's all hypothesis and we know that despite all their personal power, they could not even get a foothold in Ched Nasad for that long - though this obviously was plot- and not stat-driven.



Interesting, Zanan. Then why are they already bringing Ched Nasad into the Plane of Shadow?? Seems like they have moret han a foothold in the former City of Shimmering Webs.



Not according to the FRCG, where it is said ...

quote:
Faathryll Teh’Kinrellz, Matron Mother of the First House of Ched Nasad, is firmly in control of the city and its six other new or restored houses. One concession they have made is a continuing close association with the Jaezred Chaulssin.


So they are there, but otherwise dropped in influence again.



Close association. They still have a good hold on the city. Not to mention, in the first Lady Penitent book, they had a major hold and that was after FRCG.

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