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Icelander
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Posted - 23 Aug 2018 :  08:41:56  Show Profile  Visit Icelander's Homepage Send Icelander a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Procampur
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Originally posted by George Krashos

You're correct in surmising that Imbrar is not both Alexander and Octavian. He's intelligent but lacking in wisdom due to his tender years, and his emotional maturity while solid for his age isn't advanced. He dreams of a "greater Impiltur" having grown up on tales of brave kings conquering foreign lands and noting that at various times in its history Impiltur has annexed the city-states to the west, much of the Great Dale and even parts of Thesk. Truth be told, Imbrar is a bit if a glory-seeker and he is looking to make his own mark in the world, outside the stilted environment created by the Council and Queen-Regent.

For that reason, I don't think he'd be keen on a dynastic, loveless marriage - but if Rendeth has a hot daughter, anything could happen. The issue is, the rule of Procampur is likely to be through a male line as well, and marrying off a daughter to the king of Impiltur is unlikely to lead to a conclusion that they should become a part of that realm if she is Rendeth's only offspring. They'll find someone else "of the Royal Blood" to succeed and it is very likely that such a situation would play right into the hands of the Hamayarch.

I see Impiltur's attentions turning to Procampur after a few years of Imbrar being on the throne. Those attentions are very likely to turn ugly if Procampur doesn't recognise the "greater good" of joining Impiltur.

I suppose that King-to-be Imbrar II imagines that if he and Rendeth of the Royal Blood were linked through a marriage pact, Procampur and Impiltur would be riding to war together.

Summers in the Earthfast and Grey Forest, to finally eradicate the threat to travelers north to the Vast, and, equally important, to those who travel from the Vast between the rivers to Impiltur (and Procampur). Lighting raids with their navies working in tandem where they take, sink or burn all pirate ships around each island of the Unfallen Stars, working north to south.

And that's just the first few years, which are unambiguously strategic goals for Procampur as well. When it comes time for the Great Dale and Thesk, King-to-be Imbrar II no doubt imagines that his father-in-law/brother-in-law (depending on the breaks) will be such a firm friend to him and their armies so used to working together, that it will prove easy to get the support of Procampur's* forces for future campaigns.

*With sixteen famously fast and nimble warships, noted for their quality and that of their crews, and around 4000 professional warriors on land, Procampur's forces are adding at least a solid 20% to the Impilturan army on land and between 33% to 60% at sea, depending on what metric we use.

Genealogy and Marriages
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Originally posted by George Krashos

As for a royal matchmaker, the closest version of that is Aunt Eldreene, the wife of the much-loved and dearly missed Kyrlraun of the Council of Lords. Only 58 as at 1372 DR, she is kind, observant and still vital member of the Heltharn extended family, known to be the person to go to for a cup of redleaf tea when anyone had a "problem". She is full of wisdom, good advice and is a vault. She also looks out for the many, scattered young Heltharns (lots of great-nephews and nieces and "removed" cousins) and has been known to broker marriages between the Heltharns and the various noble families of the realm as well as her greatest coup, "setting up" Lords Imbraun and Sambrar (now tragically dead) with the sisters Ardythe and Ardawn Rowanmantle of Cormyr on a state visit way back in the 1330s DR.

-- George Krashos


My sincere thanks.

Love Eldreeen and love a connection with, as you say, the much lamented Kyrlraun, whom I'd imagined as more-or-less ruling Impiltur for Queen-Regent Sharshal, until an author killed him off-screen.

And I'm tickled pink that Lords Haelimbrar and Engarth, some of my favourite living lords, are Cormyrean on their mothers side. The PCs, though they are Ravennar nobility and/or merchant lords now, are descended from clansmen in the Thunder Peaks whose self-image is complicated, but, as they serve in large numbers in the Purple Dragons, most outsiders considered merely Cormyrean.

It's interesting to me that Lord Haelimbrar is regarded as the 'hardened veteran' among the Lords of Imphras II, but his young nephew, Engarth, is actually a much better warrior (BAB +14 vs. BAB +18; they have the same classes, but Lord Engarth is simply 4 levels higher) and, at least by game rules, probably a better battlemaster. Even Lord Helimbraun is higher level than Haelimbrar, although they have the same Basic Attack Bonus (BAB +14).

Assuming that King-to-be Imbrar II has spotted that Lord Haelimbrar is much less experienced and effective than some other Lords, expected to see a seismic shift in the authority over the Warswords.

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George Krashos
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The Rowanmantle sisters were married to Lords Imbraun and Sambrar, sons of Lasheela and Delmatha of the Dowager Aunts. Ardythe is Haelimbrar's sister-in-law so he has no Cormyrean blood. The younger Lords Engarth and Helimbraun are the ones with ties to Cormyr. Then again, all of Sambral's kids and grandkids have Cormyrean blood as her husband was a Huntsilver.

Which leads me to a snafu of mine in terms of the Impiltur succession, which I have to fix! This happens a lot as it is such a convoluted family.

I note that for some unknown reason, the editors at Dragon changed Engarth in my Dragon #346 Impiltur article. He was originally named Selbraun in my submission and a paladin of Lathander (due to Richard Lee Byers reference in The Rage to a member of the Council wearing the symbol of Lathander (p.228) - because I'm the square peg guy: no offence to Rich but they should all have been paladins of the Triad). They changed his name and made him a paladin of Torm and statted him up as more powerful than I had him. Still don't know why to this day. So Engarth is my ugly step-child, and I'm not responsible! They also garbled up my reference to the Dowager Aunts being descended from the sixth son Fylraun, but in hindsight I note that I've got it wrong because Champions of Valor says they are descended from the 4th and 6th sons. As I recall that was actually one of the things Eric Boyd came up with back in the day.

So now more fixes! Lasheela and Delmatha will now be the two "Dowager Aunts" descended from Fylraun and Sambral will be one of Soarimbrar the Elder's older sisters. I had a childless one in there, so it's an easy fix. That also makes the succession change if Imbrar dies childless (which he does ... *cough* Spellplague *cough*). The successor is now actually Engarth which fits in nicely as I had plans for his uncle Haelimbrar following the Spellplague.

Thanks for all these questions and comments Icelander. You and Lucas Kaine have over the years helped me out immensely by asking stuff that made me look and re-look at Impiltur.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

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Icelander
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Order of the Bladewright
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Oh I include everything, no matter how much I have to smash that square peg into the round hole.

In the time of King Amarkos I of the Durlarven Dynasty (a confident and headstrong type, who would often take leave of his palace and guards and roam the countryside mixing with his subjects) the king was passing through the village of Narlburg, north of Lyrabar, when bandits decided to waylay the villagers and rob them of their scant coin. Amarkos took them on by himself but was sorely pressed, despite his magical protections, when the local smith, the burly Dorbol Laffos, snatched up a near-finished blade he had been toiling on for the village elder and came to his aid. Defeating the bandits, the grateful king made Dorbol a knight of the realm, and after consulting with the Royal Herald, his heraldic symbol was confirmed a silver sword standing upright above a black forge on an azure field and his "house" was dubbed House Bladewright. Dorbol's noble status ceased with his passing but the story of his defence of the king was made into a song by the local minstrel Tormolar "the Golden-Voiced" Essul - "The Ballad of the Bladewright" - and so his memory lived on in Impilturian folklore.

As noted, the Knights of Imphras II are the quasi-royal bodyguard of Imbrar II. Within their number are a dozen or so paladins who due to bloodlines stretching back to distant Jhaamdath, have nurtured a talent for the Invisible Art (the term "psionics" is not used in the Realms) and become multi-classed Mystics (see 5E Unearthed Arcana). These paladins call themselves the Order of the Bladewright due to their ability to manifest weapons using the Invisible Art (in game terms they have taken the Order of the Soul Knife option) and the fact that they are tasked with guarding the young king in situations where weapons cannot be carried (occasional diplomatic visits, religious events, etc.) - harking back to the tale of Dorbol and his defence of his king. That moniker is an informal one, used among themselves, but the leaders of the Knights are aware of it and have no issue with its use among the rank and file. If enough individuals can be found who have these particular talents, the Order of the Bladewright might one day become a full-fledged sub-order of the Knights of Imphras II.

-- George Krashos


Cool.

If I mean to feature these, from a practical point of view, bodyguards with invisible weapons they can draw at any time work best if they have cover identities that would make threats overlook them entirely.

Page boys, grooms, barber, minstrel, fellow squires, etc. Basically, if there are twelve of these fellows, there ought to be at least one person who handles their hair, dress and make-up, so they can reliably pass as younger than they are and thus seem plausible as part of the same entourage as Imbrar, without appearing threatening or as bodyguards.

Granted, some of the twelve will be older, too old for various Hollywood trickery to make them seem 13-17, and I'd cover one of these as the barber, one as a personal trainer and diet instructor and maybe one as the blacksmith (bladewright) in Count Ulimbrar's retinue.

Basically, anything that a knight can do, these can do... similarly. They're better employed providing security where a knight can't or where their mind blade would add a nasty surprise for a potential assassin.

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George Krashos
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The Rowanmantle sisters were married to Lords Imbraun and Sambrar, sons of Lasheela and Delmatha of the Dowager Aunts. Ardythe is Haelimbrar's sister-in-law so he has no Cormyrean blood. The younger Lords Engarth and Helimbraun are the ones with ties to Cormyr. Then again, all of Sambral's kids and grandkids have Cormyrean blood as her husband was a Huntsilver.

Which leads me to a snafu of mine in terms of the Impiltur succession, which I have to fix! This happens a lot as it is such a convoluted family.

I note that for some unknown reason, the editors at Dragon changed Engarth in my Dragon #346 Impiltur article. He was originally named Selbraun in my submission and a paladin of Lathander (due to Richard Lee Byers reference in The Rage to a member of the Council wearing the symbol of Lathander (p.228) - because I'm the square peg guy: no offence to Rich but they should all have been paladins of the Triad). They changed his name and made him a paladin of Torm and statted him up as more powerful than I had him. Still don't know why to this day. So Engarth is my ugly step-child, and I'm not responsible! They also garbled up my reference to the Dowager Aunts being descended from the sixth son Fylraun, but in hindsight I note that I've got it wrong because Champions of Valor says they are descended from the 4th and 6th sons. As I recall that was actually one of the things Eric Boyd came up with back in the day.

So now more fixes! Lasheela and Delmatha will now be the two "Dowager Aunts" descended from Fylraun and Sambral will be one of Soarimbrar the Elder's older sisters. I had a childless one in there, so it's an easy fix. That also makes the succession a bit neater as it keeps the heir if Imbrar dies childless (which he does ... *cough* Spellplague *cough*) in the line of Velimbrar, son of Imphras II.

Thanks for all these questions and comments Icelander. You and Lucas Kaine have over the years helped me out immensely by asking stuff that made me look and re-look at Impiltur.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Icelander
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Originally posted by George Krashos

The Rowanmantle sisters were married to Lords Imbraun and Sambrar, sons of Lasheela and Delmatha of the Dowager Aunts. Ardythe is Haelimbrar's sister-in-law so he has no Cormyrean blood. The younger Lords Engarth and Helimbraun are the ones with ties to Cormyr. Then again, all of Sambral's kids and grandkids have Cormyrean blood as her husband was a Huntsilver.

Yeah, I meant to say that the puritanical Lord Helimbraun, the Master of Peccadillos and Enenemy of Other People's Fun, was one of my favourites, because he's an interesting source of conflict that can't just be killed.

Lord Engarth, then, is another favourite, because, well, he's clearly the Parmenion to the Young Alexander, i.e. one of the best generals in the world who will be loyal enough to cover the early blunders that his naive liege stumbles into. That is, of course, if he doesn't become his Hephaestion, as he's only twenty years older than the Boy King and likely to be one of the few other men in the world who knows how it is to grow up as a perfect warrior, with an instinctive talent for fighting and warfare, not to mention learning everything so quickly that they outstrip instructors by the score.

Lord Engarth already seems to be the finest knight in Impiltur, better at most everything than veterans almost two decades older than him, and, juding by the rate at which King-to-be Imbrar II has been improving in his early years, the only one who might one day surpass him is the Boy King.

And Lord Elgarth is his heir? That has potential intense friendship, intense rivalry or both. There is, at any rate, the potential for adventure, excitement and high melodrama. Which is all I have to ask, really.

Haelimbrar got into my post by mistake, as I have not yet found a firm hook for him. He's rugged, tenacious veteran knight, it is true, but while such are important to contrast the high-flyers, they are not usually thrilling. Int 10, Wis 14 are hardly all that impressive intellectual abilities and it's likely that in every command he has held, there have been men of sharper intellects and stronger will.*

*Before I saw these stats, I'd have made him a man of extremely impressive willpower, determination and the willingness to make hard choices. Now he's about average in that department, as paladins go, as becoming a paladin and continuing to live by their code for decades simply isn't for people without impressive dedication and willpower.

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Originally posted by George Krashos

Which leads me to a snafu of mine in terms of the Impiltur succession, which I have to fix! This happens a lot as it is such a convoluted family.

I note that for some unknown reason, the editors at Dragon changed Engarth in my Dragon #346 Impiltur article. He was originally named Selbraun in my submission and a paladin of Lathander (due to Richard Lee Byers reference in The Rage to a member of the Council wearing the symbol of Lathander (p.228) - because I'm the square peg guy: no offence to Rich but they should all have been paladins of the Triad). They changed his name and made him a paladin of Torm and statted him up as more powerful than I had him. Still don't know why to this day. So Engarth is my ugly step-child, and I'm not responsible! They also garbled up my reference to the Dowager Aunts being descended from the sixth son Fylraun, but in hindsight I note that I've got it wrong because Champions of Valor says they are descended from the 4th and 6th sons. As I recall that was actually one of the things Eric Boyd came up with back in the day.

Is there any obstacle to having Lord Engarth (or another Lord) wear a piece of jewelry with the symbol of Lathander as a token of his lady-love?

It's not like knights of the Triad are not permitted love or that they cannot love people devoted to another faith, especially one of hope, renewal and the dawn, devoted to chasing away the evil of night like the mist of a morning.

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Originally posted by George Krashos

So now more fixes! Lasheela and Delmatha will now be the two "Dowager Aunts" descended from Fylraun and Sambral will be one of Soarimbrar the Elder's older sisters. I had a childless one in there, so it's an easy fix. That also makes the succession a bit neater as it keeps the heir if Imbrar dies childless (which he does ... *cough* Spellplague *cough*) in the line of Velimbrar, son of Imphras II.

Quick date check:

Soarimbrar "the Elder" was born in 1243 DR, married late in life in 1285 DR to Ilsyndra Vilindeth (d.1328 DR) and he died in 1294 DR.

Sambral, the eldest of the three 'Dowager Aunts', has henceforth been regarded as having been born in 1285 DR, albeit that was when she had different parents. Post-fix, was she somewhat of a surprise to a mistress Soarimbrar "the Elder" and the reason for his hasty late-life marriage?

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Thanks for all these questions and comments Icelander. You and Lucas Kaine have over the years helped me out immensely by asking stuff that made me look and re-look at Impiltur.

-- George Krashos


No, thank you.

This lore is making my campaign immeasurably richer.

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Edited by - Icelander on 23 Aug 2018 11:03:25
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George Krashos
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Posted - 23 Aug 2018 :  11:12:06  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I posted before I got my family tree out and had a good look. It doesn't work if Sambral is one of Soarimbrar's older sisters, so she is in fact his niece, the second child of his older sister Jhesyl (b. 1241). She got married late in life too (1281 DR). So looking at the line of Velimbrar, that makes Sambral and Verimlaun first cousins, Kyrlraun and Ilmara second cousins and current lords Delimbrar and Idriane third cousins with Imbrar II.

Of course that makes the Sambral I married into the Bloodfeathers line in Damara too close in age with this Sambral so the Sambral that was the sister of Rilimbar is now an Ilmara.

Clear as mud? Thought so.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

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Icelander
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

I posted before I got my family tree out and had a good look. It doesn't work if Sambral is one of Soarimbrar's older sisters, so she is in fact his niece, the second child of his older sister Jhesyl (b. 1241). She got married late in life too (1281 DR). So looking at the line of Velimbrar, that makes Sambral and Verimlaun first cousins, Kyrlraun and Ilmara second cousins and current lords Delimbrar and Idriane third cousins with Imbrar II.

Of course that makes the Sambral I married into the Bloodfeathers line in Damara too close in age with this Sambral so the Sambral that was the sister of Rilimbar is now an Ilmara.

Clear as mud? Thought so.

-- George Krashos


Eh...

Ambiguous wording.

The 1281 DR reference date, is that the birth of Sambral, as opposed to the date of her marriage? Because then this works, with only slight changes. It also works if it refers to the year of Jhesyl's marriage and then Sambral could retain her original birth year.

But if Sambral is meant to be married in 1281 (four years before her previous incarnation was born), it would be pretty odd for her to have her three children some two to three decades after marriage, at age 65-75 or so.

Also, it would be a mitzvah to correct older lore in older posts to account for this change, so that scribes don't get confused.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 23 Aug 2018 :  11:54:43  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hehe, sorry for the confusion. Jhesyl was married in 1281 DR, Sambral was married in 1308 DR.

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dazzlerdal
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Hi George,

I was wondering if you had any further thoughts or information on Teres (from the article about Dude on a Horse).

I was thinking about using him as a former leader of the Church of Hoar who was of Tethyrian origin. When King Hippartes launched his attack on Unther during the Time of Troubles I figure he did much to upset the established order of the church (leading an army through Threskel and taking many followers of Hoar with him, leaving Teres powerless and his leadership broken) and so Teres left to seek out his homeland.

Did you have any thoughts to his origin before encountering Yahdi?

Does Teres have a surname/family name?


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Asharak
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Hi Asharak

I sent you a copy on 21/8. Please check and let me know if you received it.

-- George Krashos



I send you an e-mail.

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Originally posted by George Krashos

Hi Asharak

I sent you a copy on 21/8. Please check and let me know if you received it.

-- George Krashos



I send you an e-mail.



I've re-sent it and not received a bounce back so if you haven't received it, the problem might b at your end re file size. It's a 5mb e-mail.

-- George Krashos

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Eilserus
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Hi George,

I was reading FR13 Anauroch and found something interesting on page 81: "The Black Shadows have a powerful magical item (an Orcward Stone?), hidden in their cave, that seems to keep orcs away. It was recovered from one of the ruins of Anauria (and its true nature is left to the DM)."

I didn't see anything here at the Keep referencing such an item. Anaurian magic or a relic of Tethyamar rune magic? I was curious what you're thoughts are on this, since it seems a perfect dwarven item to help keep holds hidden. :)
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George Krashos
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Good catch Eilserus. FR13 has many a lore nugget yet to be mined. It also contains a little "D'oh!" reference that I only picked up on a year or two ago that i wish I had worked out earlier when doing some FR work with a friend "back in the day". I've long had "orcward stones" playing around in my head and note that I had (before Troy Denning went nuclear on them) the Lords Who Sleep of Cormyr fame protected by one.

It seems somewhat counter-intuitive to have them of Anaurian origin given that realm fell ironically to an orc horde. Of course they may be few in number, a relic of Netheril and work only to ward a place/location rather than act as a "Maginot Line"-type defensive barrier. It is interesting to note however that after its initial early clashes with the orcs, Netheril appeared largely untroubled by these creatures (of course in saying that, I note the massive unreliability of the presented Netherese historical narrative) and may indeed have set up such a barrier to the north of the realm.

I am sure they would be treasured by dwarves if they could find them, but given the fact that dwarven kingdoms seem to fall with regularity to orcish incursions, one could safely state that these items are not prevalent in dwarven communities. Tethyamar fell to orcs as well so I can't see them using them in any great numbers either. Of course that does make for some interesting thoughts re the remnants of the Mines of Tethyamar and what remains and what does not and why. Again, a place I've had a few thoughts on over the years, with a fairly big nod to Tolkien's Mines of Moria and trying not to crib too many ideas from the Moria ICE sourcebook (which is brilliant IMHO).

Given it's a one-off mention, only Ed could add more. That means, that you have essentially free rein until he does, if ever.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

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Grievous
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Hey George,

I'm writing a lineage of the Bloodfeathers of Damara for use in my campaign and was wondering what familial connections between Impiltur and Damara you have conceived and under which circumstances they happened. My intention is to work with your Impiltur material/musings and adding to it for Damara specific stuff.

Currently, I have two marriages between the dynasties (and I think this is pretty much enough). During King Lashilmbrar's reign (1225-1294), I'm having Impiltur (or rather Soneillon-via-Impiltur) politically scheme to put a puppet to rule Damara. This is also the time when the Bloodstone Mines become a thing. I'm still working out the details of this, but in the end this meddling didn't work out, and/but Lashilmbrar's younger brother Velimbrar does marry his daughter to the Bloodfeathers (in or about 1255-ish DR). This is the first dynastic link.

The second is the marriage between King Aeldrin and Sambral (sister of King Rilimbrar). I imagine this is a result of Damaran aid in regaining the throne of Impiltur from the usurpers.

Do you see King Aeldrin as the grandfather or great-grandfather of Virdin btw? Personally, I'm thinking that he is his grandfather, which also makes Aeldrin the son of the king who married this daughter of Velimbrar. This makes the aid that Damara gives Impiltur distantly a familial matter, as well. For that aid, the Damaran heir (probably, instead of King) marries the new King Rilimbrar's sister.

And thanks for inspiring me to play and develop in this part of the Realms!

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Hi Grievous

Aeldrin is indeed Virdin's grandfather. He marries Ilmara in 1303 DR.

You have to understand that Lashilmbrar is quite a bit older than his step-siblings and had his own children very late in life for a range of reasons. As such, dynastic marriages weren't much of an option for him. Indeed, it is his own daughter who marries Aeldrin as noted above but only after she is of age and her father has passed away. None of Velimbrar's daughters match up age wise with Aeldrin's grandfather and it wouldn't do to have his father marry a Heltharn as well as this would mean that Ilmara's first cousin would in fact be her mother-in-law!

Lashilmbrar was a canny (if you were being unkind: conniving) sort who was big on using economic clout to dominate rivals and neighbours. He wouldn't need a dynastic marriage to exert political pressure on Damara: the simple fact of the bloodstone trade necessarily having to be funnelled through Impilturian markets would be sufficient for him to politically dominate his neighbour kings throughout his long reign and take advantage of any dynastic hiccups and dangers they encountered.

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Hey, when you guys have something written up concerning the Bloodfeathers family line in Damara that's kinda stable, do keep me in mind as someone who wants to read it. That's one of those things I'd enjoy to read and use, but damned if I have time to research.


BTW, on that topic, just given the name itself, what would you propose as a possible origin for the familial name? There's got to be a backstory to that. Granted, I know things like Crownsilvers, etc... don't necessarily revolve around crowns and/or silver... but Bloodfeather…. that's just too "different" to not warrant some kinda explanation.

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Hey, when you guys have something written up concerning the Bloodfeathers family line in Damara that's kinda stable, do keep me in mind as someone who wants to read it. That's one of those things I'd enjoy to read and use, but damned if I have time to research.


BTW, on that topic, just given the name itself, what would you propose as a possible origin for the familial name? There's got to be a backstory to that. Granted, I know things like Crownsilvers, etc... don't necessarily revolve around crowns and/or silver... but Bloodfeather…. that's just too "different" to not warrant some kinda explanation.

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quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

Hey, when you guys have something written up concerning the Bloodfeathers family line in Damara that's kinda stable, do keep me in mind as someone who wants to read it. That's one of those things I'd enjoy to read and use, but damned if I have time to research.


BTW, on that topic, just given the name itself, what would you propose as a possible origin for the familial name? There's got to be a backstory to that. Granted, I know things like Crownsilvers, etc... don't necessarily revolve around crowns and/or silver... but Bloodfeather…. that's just too "different" to not warrant some kinda explanation.



I've come up with both a line of monarchs for Damara and a story for the origin of the name. Ed liked it. It also explains that godawful "FR" instead of "DR" dating system in FR9 Bloodstone Lands.

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Hi George,

I was wondering what the word qabas meant in Mulhorandi before it was applied to the orc?


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quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Hi George,

I was wondering what the word qabas meant in Mulhorandi before it was applied to the orc?





The word "qabas" [the "q" is hard as in "k"] did not exist in the Mulhorandi language before the Orcgate Wars and was the word that was applied to these creatures when they attacked Mulhorand. The word was derived from the root words "aqab"=foul, unclean and "as"=beast, creature. This is as opposed to "aqas=pure, clean and "am"=human. Which makes the word for elf ("quazzam") interesting with "aqaz"=bright, shining.

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A wonderfully crafted answer as always.

I've got the q as a soft h in untheric but I can easily explain the difference as mulhorandi has evolved significantly from untheric which stayed true to the original Mulan/roushoum pidgin.

As an aside if I use a soft h for the q, then qabasen sounds like habesen which is phonetically similar to abishai so I'm wondering if qabas was used in ancient Mulan language to refer to some of the evil monsters the imaskari created (I was going to say demon, but you already have a mulhorandi word for that).

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I think you've got it the other way round. The sources say that Mulhorandi has stayed truer to its Rauric roots, with Untheric being the one that had evolved greatly.

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You are probably right, I'm getting very befuddled in my middle age

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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

Hey, when you guys have something written up concerning the Bloodfeathers family line in Damara that's kinda stable, do keep me in mind as someone who wants to read it. That's one of those things I'd enjoy to read and use, but damned if I have time to research.


BTW, on that topic, just given the name itself, what would you propose as a possible origin for the familial name? There's got to be a backstory to that. Granted, I know things like Crownsilvers, etc... don't necessarily revolve around crowns and/or silver... but Bloodfeather…. that's just too "different" to not warrant some kinda explanation.



I've come up with both a line of monarchs for Damara and a story for the origin of the name. Ed liked it. It also explains that godawful "FR" instead of "DR" dating system in FR9 Bloodstone Lands.

-- George Krashos



I never noted that it was FR... but I did note the date change. Just wondering, what are you having happen in 210 DR that's starts the FR calendar? Would it by chance have anything to do with the ending of the war of claws between Eltab and the Myrkulites of Eltabranar versus Mulhorand a few years prior, and Eltab's bindings to Thaymount and the conjurer's tower in Impiltur?

From FR9 Bloodstone Lands
The Rise of the Witch-King Barely twelve years ago, in FR1137, a
calamitous event in the wastes of Vaasa rocked the stability of the entire region.

In the summer of FR1147, Zhengyi's forces faced off against King Virdin at the Ford of Goliad.


From GHotR
1347 Zhengyi the Witch-King [1357] rises to power in Damara.

1357 King Virdin of Damara is killed in battle with Zhengyi the Witch-King


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Edited by - sleyvas on 10 Sep 2018 13:19:46
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quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

I never noted that it was FR... but I did note the date change. Just wondering, what are you having happen in 210 DR that's starts the FR calendar?



Why, it's when the ancestors of Feldrin Bloodfeathers first got a taste of royalty.

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