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Lukas Kain
Seeker

USA
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Posted - 08 Aug 2016 :  07:00:56  Show Profile Send Lukas Kain a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello George, I hope life is treating you well. I was wondering what the burial practices of Impiltur are, for both nobility and the common folk.
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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 11 Aug 2016 :  12:17:19  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi George,

Ive just had a quick read through Lalya Maurshanta and its top quality work.

I love the name drops such as shantel othreiers long lost capital.

Im interested to know where in the stonelands you imagine the forest of Rivrau to be. Is it west of the Burn nearer the goblin marches or is it east of the burn which would be the wood of anauria (i forget its name).

Youve added lots of wonderful dates and places to use so thankyou.

Excellent stuff.

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Irennan
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Posted - 11 Aug 2016 :  13:30:23  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the article, it's truly appreciated.

To all Facebook-using FR fans, you might be interested in checking out this page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/450517575051806/
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
4715 Posts

Posted - 12 Aug 2016 :  02:39:45  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Hi George,

I've just had a quick read through Lalya Maurshanta and its top quality work.

I love the name drops such as shantel othreiers long lost capital.

Im interested to know where in the stonelands you imagine the forest of Rivrau to be. Is it west of the Burn nearer the goblin marches or is it east of the burn which would be the wood of anauria (i forget its name).

You've added lots of wonderful dates and places to use so thankyou.

Excellent stuff.



If you look at the map in "Lost Empires of Faerun", it's the tongue of woodlands that snakes around the Storm Horns from east to west.

As for the name drops, that's all part of the fun. There one or two Easter Eggs in the article too, but they are pretty obscure so enjoy tracking them down.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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Posted - 12 Aug 2016 :  02:42:13  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

Thank you for the article, it's truly appreciated.



You are welcome. The tale of the ghazneths had lore holes you could drive a Mack truck through that had been bugging me for years, so I thought I'd do something about it. Was bloody difficult and I ran out of fingers for the dyke, but I was pleased with what I churned out in the end. I was even more pleased that Brian and Erik came through to get copies to the seminar attendees. Fabulous effort from those guys and the true heroes of Candlekeep.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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Posted - 12 Aug 2016 :  02:44:52  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lukas Kain

Hello George, I hope life is treating you well. I was wondering what the burial practices of Impiltur are, for both nobility and the common folk.



Hi Lukas. Cremation since the Fiend Wars. You burn it and it can't come back. It's safer that way with all those demons lurking about and Orcus' mastery of the undead.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Brimstone
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Posted - 12 Aug 2016 :  04:20:42  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A Demi-Plane full of Orcs! LOLOL Yes, now what if they were all undead now...

Thanks for the treat George!

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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 12 Aug 2016 :  06:26:18  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Your easter eggs are always far too well hidden for me to locate. They just blend in with the lore seamlessly.

So the place the three baelnorns dwelled before moving. Would that be the same vault the netherese uncovered? The name of those three reminds me of the olyn gesir (sorry for the mispelling) was that intentional.

I love the ghazneths origin now. I can easily see how they are virtually invulnerable being essesntially human versions of baelnorn.

Those trees of memory are new for me. I take it they are a place for elven souls that acts like a communal kiira of sorts.

The demiplane of the orcs is great. Im going to twist it because i have them already as demi planes. Far easier to shift the already existing plane out the way than create a new one. Plus it gives me an idea for doubloon.

Again this is a great piece of work. Ots getting added to my list of official realmslore.

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kysus
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Posted - 13 Aug 2016 :  05:16:37  Show Profile  Visit kysus's Homepage  Send kysus an AOL message Send kysus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
is there another of getting hold of the gencon article if one wasnt able to attend?
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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Posted - 13 Aug 2016 :  08:45:34  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It has been uploaded here at Candlekeep. Just go to the main page.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Lukas Kain
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Posted - 13 Aug 2016 :  20:13:16  Show Profile Send Lukas Kain a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ahh, that makes a lot sense. I thought since you don't read too much about Impilturan graveyards except for Halls that dead kings are buried in that they must be doing something else with the dead. So would the services be largely based on the prevailing church of the city/region, or does the Triad have some collective program?
I've just begun reading your newest article George, and it's already very interesting.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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Posted - 14 Aug 2016 :  11:11:11  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lukas Kain

Ahh, that makes a lot sense. I thought since you don't read too much about Impilturan graveyards except for Halls that dead kings are buried in that they must be doing something else with the dead. So would the services be largely based on the prevailing church of the city/region, or does the Triad have some collective program?
I've just begun reading your newest article George, and it's already very interesting.



The Triad churches are always available to provide the "Cleansing Fire". When temple facilities aren't available, commoners just build a pyre. This is common in the Uplands. Some of the churches in Impiltur don't provide cremation services (such as the Church of Sune) but there are crematoria in each of the major cities and regional centres.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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kysus
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Posted - 15 Aug 2016 :  07:30:58  Show Profile  Visit kysus's Homepage  Send kysus an AOL message Send kysus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just finished reading the article, alot of good and interesting stuff in there. with all these lore tidbits in there will you pursue any expansions on some of the lore you wrote in the article for candlekeep or the dmsguild? I ask because i see alot of potential new articles that could be derived from the lore in this article that i'm sure many of the scribes here would be interested in seeing.
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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 15 Aug 2016 :  08:01:33  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I may be wrong but i get the feeling that in most cases george likes to see what others can do based on his works. Planting the seeds and watching them grow.

Of course he has a few special cases that he likes to do himself.

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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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Posted - 15 Aug 2016 :  10:09:08  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kysus

I just finished reading the article, alot of good and interesting stuff in there. with all these lore tidbits in there will you pursue any expansions on some of the lore you wrote in the article for candlekeep or the dmsguild? I ask because i see alot of potential new articles that could be derived from the lore in this article that i'm sure many of the scribes here would be interested in seeing.



Hi Kysus

I would be happy to answer any questions people might have but as for lore expansions or other articles on the topics showcased in my Seminar handout, that's unlikely. I already have about a dozen half-formed projects on the go, sitting on my HD and needing time and attention, and am struggling to devote much of either to them.

Also, I'm not convinced that the DMs Guild is the place to actually showcase FR lore, because there is so little actually being produced. What there is, is swamped in a morass of crunchy stuff that utterly fails to turn my head. So I'll just keep plodding along and hopefully providing some musings that interest people along the way.

Of course, as dazzlerdal states, I'd love to see what people take from my musings and create for themselves and their games. Like Ed, I take singular pleasure in seeing that happen.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 15 Aug 2016 :  19:54:43  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So then George. Im loving the origin for the magic surrounding the forests of cormyr.

I do have a question that im wondering if you had already thought about. Im pretty sure after some discussions with scribes at the keep, that thauglor was said to have a link to the magic of the land. Does that then mean that Thauglor has sired a child with an Obaskyr and thus become part of this magic that preserves their vitality.

It would be a delicious irony if thauglor lost control of the land to the elves only to then steal it back by impregnating one of the obaskyrs the elves bequeethed it to.


Anyway thats it. That and the other three or four questions ive asked and the ten or so i will ask after ive read it again and again.

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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 15 Aug 2016 :  22:24:38  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

So then George. Im loving the origin for the magic surrounding the forests of cormyr.

I do have a question that im wondering if you had already thought about. Im pretty sure after some discussions with scribes at the keep, that thauglor was said to have a link to the magic of the land. Does that then mean that Thauglor has sired a child with an Obaskyr and thus become part of this magic that preserves their vitality.

It would be a delicious irony if thauglor lost control of the land to the elves only to then steal it back by impregnating one of the obaskyrs the elves bequeethed it to.




I'd already thought of that one, myself, and pinged Ed with it...

quote:
Hi again, all. I bring you Ed's response to Wooly Rupert, re. this: "It was suggested that I bring this idea to Ed...
Hypothetically speaking, what do you think would happen if a half-dragon descended from Thauglor popped up in Cormyr? If this half-dragon tried to make a claim on the throne, how would everyone (commoners, nobles, royals, Vangey) react? Even more, what if this half-dragon was descended from Thauglor on one side and Azoun IV on the other?
Or how about a descendant of Iliphar?"
Ed replies:


Hi, Wooly. I have to be careful what I say here, due to two outstanding NDAs (which, yes, should lead everyone to suspect that this is a topic that has already been considered amongst Realms creatives). The short answer to all four of these queries is that reactions would be 'all over the map,' so to speak.
Vangey (or his successors) are primarily concerned with the stability of the Dragon Throne. HOW they will guard the throne depends on who it is doing the guarding (Vangey or Caladnei or . . .), what the situation is in the kingdom, and what events unfold.
There will always be nobles who will fiercely oppose any non-pureblood-human vying for the throne, and fight one who seizes it. Then again, there will always be nobles who seize on any pretender, potential usurper, or rival claimant to the current holder of the throne, and advance this challenge to the reigning monarch or regent, for reasons of personal gain, or to "reform" the realm, or for other reasons specific to them.
Individual Obarskyrs will have a wide variety of reactions to any rival/newcomer (but will tend to resist "bastards" in favor of the kin they know, except as pawns/allies against specific kin they hate or fear, because there are SO many bastards around already, and they would rather support and work with bastards they know well, and personally like. War Wizards and many senior-in-years nobles will react in the same way, and for the same reasons . . . but it's important to remember that there are no "class-wide" reactions to claimants, half-dragon or otherwise.
Or to put it another way, not all commoners will think X, all nobles think X or Y, and all royals think X or Y or Z. Everyone will react individually.
If any stereotypes about Cormyreans can be advanced, there will be general prejudices like this: we prefer humans we know, and know to be Cormyrean born and bred and resident, over humans who "come out of nowhere" or are known to have been far away from Cormyr for some time. We will prefer humans over non-humans (such as elves; many oldblood families, noble or common, believe "Cormyr" is a human land wrested from elves who should never be allowed to return to anything resembling power, locally) and we will prefer human-like, "civilized" non-humans (elves, halflings, gnomes, dwarves) over known-to-be-dangerous races (half-orcs, orcs and goblins, etc.), and those "evil folk" over "monstrous half-breeds" (shapechangers, lizardfolk-like half-dragons with scales and tails and other obvious "this ain't a human" features.
That isn't to say that certain nobles and wizards of Cormyr (including War Wizards) won't be fascinated by a half-dragon, and their potential power, or with elves of the lineage of Iliphar (and more than one such individual is known to exist, in Cormyr, though the Royal Court isn't certain of all of their identities or whereabouts) . . . but the general bulk of the populace is going to want a human king or queen, preferably of the House of Obarskyr or failing that bastard offspring of the traceable blood of the Obarskyrs or perhaps Baerauble, and failing that of one of the oldblood families (and at this point, of course, the fierce struggle over WHICH ruling family would erupt, probably into open civil war).
Yet Cormyr will always be a place where bastards and other throne claimants wait in the wings, supported by this or that cabal of nobles and watched by the War Wizards and various Crown agents.
A half-dragon claimant who can claim AND PROVE (to most who care) descent from both Thauglor and Azoun IV would have a stronger claim (and public support) than any other half-dragon, but by no means more than the scores to hundreds of human Cormyreans who can claim and prove Azoun IV's involvement in their ancestry, or Obarskyr blood from other monarchs (or princes, who at the time of the dalliances hadn't yet come to the throne).
In fact, what keeps Cormyr from erupting in civil strife often is the counterbalance between SO MANY possible (weak) claimants. Eliminate all fullblood Obarskyrs, and all of those claimants come into play, yes, but then it becomes a game of "who can stay alive?" among the claimants.
And remember: a half-dragon would probably still have a claim that was weaker in public support than, say, a certain ghazneth with the last name Cormaeril . . .


So saith Ed. Who has talked at great length with TSR and later WotC designers about such matters, I happen to know (because I eavesdrop shamelessly when it suits me to do so).
love,
THO

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kysus
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Posted - 18 Aug 2016 :  19:13:53  Show Profile  Visit kysus's Homepage  Send kysus an AOL message Send kysus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have many questions, its just a matter of me organizing my thoughts to post them in a orderly manner so as to not to flood the forums with a quintillion questions all at once. I think the most pressing few for me right now would be how do you and the other authors come up with the varies elven names for people, clans, places, and objects. Is there some book or website that is used for this because all the names i see authors use are very cool looking while mine are like bleh, i've tried to look through the elven dictionary on the ck site but it doesnt contain alot of the words im always looking for and is really hard to locate stuff, not to mention again im really really bad at coming up with convincing elven names for the varies things so i've always been curious as to how this is done among the varies authors.

And for my second question would you have happened to have worked out the coat of arms for the varies elven clans (Nelnueves, Keoves, Alavara, Berethryl, Elian, Oeryl) in the oracle. Im trying to document as many of the elven coat of arms as i can.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 19 Aug 2016 :  01:09:49  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kysus

I have many questions, its just a matter of me organizing my thoughts to post them in a orderly manner so as to not to flood the forums with a quintillion questions all at once. I think the most pressing few for me right now would be how do you and the other authors come up with the varies elven names for people, clans, places, and objects. Is there some book or website that is used for this because all the names i see authors use are very cool looking while mine are like bleh, i've tried to look through the elven dictionary on the ck site but it doesnt contain alot of the words im always looking for and is really hard to locate stuff, not to mention again im really really bad at coming up with convincing elven names for the varies things so i've always been curious as to how this is done among the varies authors.



I don't think there's any science to it. I usually go with vowels and softer consonants for the start of a name and find that I incorprate lots of "Ls" and vowel combinations "AE" "IA" as I go. Just flip stuff around and it usually comes good.

quote:

And for my second question would you have happened to have worked out the coat of arms for the varies elven clans (Nelnueves, Keoves, Alavara, Berethryl, Elian, Oeryl) in the oracle. Im trying to document as many of the elven coat of arms as i can.



I have a dream where all my lore is backed up by JPGs of wizard sigils, coats of arms, etc. That dream is yet to find fruition. Give me a bit and I'll come up with some coats of arms for the various houses you mention.

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quote:
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And for my second question would you have happened to have worked out the coat of arms for the varies elven clans (Nelnueves, Keoves, Alavara, Berethryl, Elian, Oeryl) in the oracle. Im trying to document as many of the elven coat of arms as i can.

Kysus, I would be interested in seeing what you have of this project already. I'm currently working on something very much related to Elven culture at large (especially concerning Cormanthyr and it's elves) and wouldn't mind sharing any such resources. George, if you wouldn't mind sending me a copy of what you come up with as well, I would very much appreciate it.

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I cant seem to find that article from Gencon. Could someone point me in the right direction?

Cheers

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Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Shadowsoul

I cant seem to find that article from Gencon. Could someone point me in the right direction?

Cheers



It's linked off of the front page of the site. I've also copied the link for you:

http://www.candlekeep.com/downloads/Lalya-Maurshanta.pdf

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Brimstone
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That is one tremendous piece of Realmslore...

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Reading it. So far this looks like a superfluous clone of EV. With superfluous extra waving to Gold Elves and followers of Shevarash.
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Oh, and also the baelnorn with phylactery.

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There's quite a difference between being generally xenophobic and wanting to have squatters off of your ancestral lands.

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