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Dante76
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Posted - 12 Sep 2015 :  15:36:58  Show Profile Send Dante76 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Greetings,

thanks for your highly inspirational and creative ideas of Impiltur so far that being said I do have some questions for you. Any musings are welcomed.
I have been thinking of running a campaign during the Fiend Wars (729-732). Makes the whole concept of Impiltur being a demon-infested pit of vileness infernally more attractive
I have a rough idea about the specific stages of the campaign. One is to join the crusade when it is proclaimed. You stated that Sarshel called for a crusade to defeat the demon plague and he sailed with a "crusader fleet" to Impiltur. From where would he have left? Chondath? I think I need a realm where the Triad was featured prominently in the Realms and was close to Impiltur, so I do not think that Tethyr is a good choice.
Would you say that other non-evil faiths send there priests, warriors, paladins etc. to join the crusade? Or was it a Triad matter?

Any other musings, thoughts, ideas concerning this time period would be gladly appreciated. Thanks in advance and...

cheers,
Dante


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George Krashos
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Posted - 06 Oct 2015 :  13:41:11  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dante76

Greetings,

thanks for your highly inspirational and creative ideas of Impiltur so far that being said I do have some questions for you. Any musings are welcomed.
I have been thinking of running a campaign during the Fiend Wars (729-732). Makes the whole concept of Impiltur being a demon-infested pit of vileness infernally more attractive
I have a rough idea about the specific stages of the campaign. One is to join the crusade when it is proclaimed. You stated that Sarshel called for a crusade to defeat the demon plague and he sailed with a "crusader fleet" to Impiltur. From where would he have left? Chondath? I think I need a realm where the Triad was featured prominently in the Realms and was close to Impiltur, so I do not think that Tethyr is a good choice.
Would you say that other non-evil faiths send there priests, warriors, paladins etc. to join the crusade? Or was it a Triad matter?

Any other musings, thoughts, ideas concerning this time period would be gladly appreciated. Thanks in advance and...

cheers,
Dante



The call of the Triad Crusade went out in the Year of the Purloined Throne (727 DR), seeing many paladins and holy warriors gather in traditional strongholds of the faith throughout Tethyr and the Vilhon Reach. Through 729 DR these paladins individually, in groups and even small armies travelled west and north to Cormyr and Chondathan respectively. King Draxius of Cormyr sped them on their way, providing shipping and mounts (some say in return for even more longevity magics) and similarly, Triad gold saw more ships found in the Sembian ports to transport the host across the Dragonreach to first Procampur, then Tsurlagol and then the coast on the western fringes of Impiltur. The crusaders gathered troops and supplies along the way, especially at their last two stops, and by the time they arrived in Impiltur proper, the army numbered somewhere in the order of 8000 swords.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 06 Oct 2015 :  19:35:47  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Another excellent piece to add to my archive of George lore.

I was going to mention something about Sarshel but can no longer access my archives from work.

It looks like Sarshel took part in the war against the yugoloth army invading Myth Drannor. Specifically the Battle of Snowsblood Trail and the Battle of Standing Stone's Blood. The writeup of Dornavver in Champions of Valor (I think) places him there as part of a ragtag army of dalesfolk and cormyrian warriors (organised by one Mindal Rowanmantle).

I don't know if this got him King Draxius' good books, or whether it influenced those of Sembia and the Dales towards him (and thus provide more aid upon his return in 729 DR), but it probably didn't hurt his call to arms (the Sembians might have even given him a discount for the ships, which lets face it is like getting blood out of a stone).

Awesome lore again George. I particularly love the Chasme hive, and the fact that your major NPCs in the city are not all super powered heroes and take more after the older edition write-ups where level 10 was for the truly exceptional, level 3-5 was for those of good skill, and everyone else was level 0 or 1.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Oct 2015 :  03:40:15  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good stuff, friend Krash! I particularly like Soargar Steelorm, and the two Cliff Ways.

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Lukas Kain
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Posted - 09 Oct 2015 :  02:01:43  Show Profile Send Lukas Kain a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Again I am floored George. All I initially wanted was just a few little factoids about the four cities because I wanted my players to appreciate them more than they do most cities. Thank you George; it's stuff like this that keeps what I loved about the Realms alive.
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George Krashos
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Posted - 09 Oct 2015 :  10:00:00  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I need to be encouraged Lukas, and you do a fine job of it. Sarshel in the works. Hopefully it won't be too long. The Realms is what we make it.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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George Krashos
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Posted - 14 Nov 2015 :  06:23:20  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I posted this in another thread but thought it should have a home here as well.

With the re-establishment of Impiltur, the Heltharn ruling family of the kingdom occupies the top tier of the nobility. After that there are several ranks of noble titles as set out below.

Title (in common) - Title (in Damaran)
King/Queen - Riar/Riara
Prince/Princess - Thilas/Thilassa
Duke/Duchess - Hertar/Hertala
Marquess/Marchioness - Vaerar/Vaerala
Count/Countess - Serdar/Serdassa
Baron/Baroness - Edlar/Edlassa
Knight - Orn (pl. Ornar)
Regent - Ranal
Consort - Add prefix “Al”
Queen Regent - Riaranal
Lord/Lady - Dar/Darla

Only the direct succession of the Heltharn family (i.e. Sambryl, daughter of Rilimbrar and Imbrar II from the line of Verimlaun, son of Imphras II) use the titles of king/queen and prince/princess.

The remainder of the Heltharn royal family use the duke/duchess title exclusively for members of the Lords of Imphras II and “heads” of the various Heltharn lines (i.e. the patriarchs/matriarchs of those families descended from that monarch).

The most senior (in terms of age and/or influence) noble families in Impiltur use the title marquess/marchioness on ceremonial or formal occasions. Their holdings are known generally as “marches” and depending on the size of the area can come to denote a region of the realm. The families that hold such a title are noted as the “old guard” families in the list below.

The less senior noble families use the title count/countess on ceremonial or formal occasions. Their holdings are known generally as “counties” and depending on the size of the area can come to denote a region of the realm.

Those individuals that are raised to the nobility but not granted a hereditary title to be passed on to their progeny use the title baron/baroness on ceremonial or formal occasions. The term “barony” is used for their holdings but very rarely used as a geographic descriptor for Impiltur.

Knighthoods in Impiltur are granted to individuals and are not hereditary. If an individual with an existing noble title that is not a baronetcy (i.e. a marquess or count) is made a knight, then they are differentiated by use of the title “orn” [“saer” in common] instead of their normal noble title. Non-noble individuals granted a knighthood are known as “loyal knights” [“elorn”/”elornar” (pl.)] but commonly use the “orn” title save on ceremonial occasions or for specific legal reasons.

For all spouses and children of the nobility and spouses of loyal knights, the term of address is simply lord/lady.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Lukas Kain
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Posted - 17 Nov 2015 :  03:41:49  Show Profile Send Lukas Kain a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Very interesting George. I appreciate how you go through and explain things about each set of titles as well. I actually wanted to ask about something like this seemingly years ago, but I didn't know how to phrase it and apparently moved on to other things.
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George Krashos
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Posted - 17 Nov 2015 :  05:17:23  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lukas Kain

Very interesting George. I appreciate how you go through and explain things about each set of titles as well. I actually wanted to ask about something like this seemingly years ago, but I didn't know how to phrase it and apparently moved on to other things.



Well, you seem to be my audience of one Lukas so I'm glad that it's useful.

Sarshel soon.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 17 Nov 2015 :  08:25:56  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Audience of one, ha. There's at least two of us.

I read, I said "Yes!" and started gleefully adding it to my hoard, and then I saw something out of the corner of my eye... ooh, shiny... ooh, shiny... and the trail led away, marching and chanting with dwarves, baking cookies with halflings, and so forth. This happens every time I read your lore... I see it, I love it, I follow it, and I forget to comment on it. Could it be true that the best writers are cursed to rarely receive much-deserved praise? Or maybe it's my ADHD. In any case, thank you, and here's hoping that every realm gets similarly devoted fans!
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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 17 Nov 2015 :  08:35:34  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Three with me as well, just super busy lately.

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Demzer
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Posted - 17 Nov 2015 :  17:54:28  Show Profile Send Demzer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Your "Answers from ..." file is the second biggest on my PC (with Mr. Greenwood a distant first) and i treasure every word you type. Life has me in "lurking mode" right now, with barely enough time to keep up with the posts here, but i look forward to anything your creativity brews.
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Eilserus
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Posted - 17 Nov 2015 :  19:48:07  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You're an awesome loremaster George and one of my favorites! I'm not well versed in Impiltur, but I can talk dwarf shop all day! In fact, the other day I was thinking about Telantiwar, its fall and the dwarves reclaiming the Great Rift area. Even with the drow scattering, there had to be some outrageous campaigns of fighting between the Stout Folk and the Dark Ones and quite a bit of untold history.

Dwarves Deep mentions drow kingdoms rising and falling several times, so I imagine it's been an ongoing issue in one form or another. And where are all these drow coming from that entire kingdoms of them can rise and fall (escapees from Llurth Dreier?)? Maybe a portion of Telantiwar has survived somewhere deep? Just a few things I've been bouncing around in my head. Of course since this happened so long ago, maybe that's why it was never developed more. Taark Shanat and his crusade, and the history of Shanatar (wars with Guallidurth, the Deepspawn wars, the loss of Clan Duergar etc.) would good fun one too.

Love the Keep, so many of our favorite designers frequent here. And like many others I look forward to anything you create. WotC should be paying you guys and buying the lore you create to so its put into print form.
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JPDeed
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Posted - 25 Nov 2015 :  13:50:17  Show Profile Send JPDeed a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm generally quiet, but I listen well. Your consistency and logical placement of history and facts in a world that could so easily go mad with ludicrous nonsense in the hands of a lesser able craftsperson is appreciated.

Plus, you're in Australia. I have recently moved from Perth to Singapore and miss the blue skies and 9 month summer. But I still have a game to Dm here now and use Pathfinder nowadays to mould the realms - and your info fits into any system neatly.
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TBeholder
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Posted - 25 Nov 2015 :  17:29:42  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus

In fact, the other day I was thinking about Telantiwar, its fall and the dwarves reclaiming the Great Rift area. Even with the drow scattering, there had to be some outrageous campaigns of fighting between the Stout Folk and the Dark Ones and quite a bit of untold history.

I, also, am interested as to what our loremaster have to say on the ensuing shenanigans, but won't expect great wars.
Think about it. Sure, immediately after the fall, there had to be surviving "strays" - caravans, long-range patrols and suchlike, but they had their own problems and most probably tried to reach the unaffected drow settlements. There had to be some scavenging, but beyond that...
It's quite likely that the dwarves returned while the bulk of survivors (that is, "exodus" drow) were still busy securing (externally and internally!) their new domains.
And once all the dust settled, it was down to the usual skirmishes.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 27 Nov 2015 :  15:15:28  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by Lukas Kain

Very interesting George. I appreciate how you go through and explain things about each set of titles as well. I actually wanted to ask about something like this seemingly years ago, but I didn't know how to phrase it and apparently moved on to other things.



Well, you seem to be my audience of one Lukas so I'm glad that it's useful.

Sarshel soon.

-- George Krashos



Make that two. thank you.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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George Krashos
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Posted - 28 Nov 2015 :  05:18:02  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just posted this is another thread and thought it should have a home here as well:

Just to clarify, Impiltur is not a feudal realm. The ownership of all lands by the Crown and their selected nobles was abandoned with the fall of the kingdom in the Fiend Wars. To attract population in the aftermath of that horrendous affair, King Sarshel granted land to non-nobles and new nobles alike and much of the Uplands was available to be claimed by those simply strong enough to hold it - as long as they gave due deference to the throne. Individuals such as Arbarras "the Lord of the Greenfields" and the self-styled "Highmaster" Lamanter Bowthorn found out swiftly that the kingdom of Impiltur was still just that, and their attempts to dominate the Uplands and carve out quasi-realms of their own with "Lyrabar far away" were met with swift action by the Elethlims.

The references to "marches", "counties" and "baronies" reflects some old world terminology but describe only the actual lands owned by that particular noble family. No nobles rule anything unless they are also a Royal Constable or Royal Herald of the realm. Occasionally, senior nobles can be pressed into such service at the behest of the Lords of Imphras II (for example if an area is declared to be under "daggerbond" [our equivalent of "martial law"]) but this is rare. They often function as advisers to the local authorities however.

Local government as we know it doesn't really exist in Impiltur as there are roving Constables and Heralds who do a set circuit (i.e. the village of Harland in the foothills of the Earthspurs, southeast of Tower Ithfell has a visit from the Royal Constable every month or so, usually with a Royal Herald in tow - the husband and wife team Gelimbrar "the Darksword" Olim and Alarna Olim are one such roving Constable and Herald combination, whose area encompasses the villages from the shores of Bluefang Water north and west to the mountains near the High Pass into Damara) and check in to settlements to ensure that the peace is being kept and disputes dealt with. Most settlements do have an elder or head man/woman who people naturally defer to if a decision affecting the community needs to be made (i.e. assisting with harvests, dealing with blight or animal sickness quarantines, fighting bandits/raiders, etc.) but they wield no legal authority. However the smarter roving Royal Constables and Heralds have a network of such elders/ head people they communicate with regularly so as not to cause any friction or personality clashes.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Lukas Kain
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Posted - 29 Nov 2015 :  03:00:38  Show Profile Send Lukas Kain a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Christmas came early. I imagine there are several other lurkers who read everything you post, but don't say anything. This is pretty much the only scroll I post on for instance, but I read several others. Literally everyone is excited when you post anything.
I haven't had a chance to read Sarshel yet, but I am stoaked. Thank you George!
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Lukas Kain
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Posted - 02 Dec 2015 :  20:54:26  Show Profile Send Lukas Kain a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well uhh, I'll be the double-first to say that this was bloody brilliant and went far beyond what I was hoping for. George, my Impiltur binder is full to bursting. Even if you don't necessarily always see it, we all love and fully appreciate your continued support!
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Gary Dallison
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As soon as I find a new job I will give this my full attention but at first glance it looks awesome as always

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Eilserus
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Posted - 02 Dec 2015 :  22:33:53  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yep, more awesomeness for all. Thank you George!

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Gary Dallison
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Hi George, I've been having a look and a delve into other regions and I'm trying to add some detail to the vilhon reach just after the fall of jhaamdath.
Various snippets indicate that Ilmaters church entered the region shortly after the tsunami and other snippets indicate they suffered badly at the hands of various tyrants (I'm assuming with civilisation collapsed in the area people congregated around outposts and monasteries in the mountains but were soon seized by despots who did their usual evil thing).
Now I checked the monastery of the yellow rise which I think was founded by st sollars the twice martyred. Indicators are that it was founded over 1000 years ago which could mean it was founded around -250 dr to -199 when the exodus to from jhaamdath across the inner sea was at its greatest.
So I'm wondering if st sollars wasn't a calishite (might change his name a bit to soll'ar and then a suitable surname) who led his church into the vilhon to alleviate the suffering of those still alive, then he is killed by evil types, only to be raised and lead his flock north to impiltur (where he dies again sacrificing himself to save them from hobgoblins and the like).

Have you had any thoughts on st sollars or any other ilmatari saints from the vilhon.

Also is st faeran a dwarf by any chance (faern being a dwarfish word)

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George Krashos
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Posted - 18 Dec 2015 :  10:24:49  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Hi George, I've been having a look and a delve into other regions and I'm trying to add some detail to the vilhon reach just after the fall of jhaamdath.
Various snippets indicate that Ilmaters church entered the region shortly after the tsunami and other snippets indicate they suffered badly at the hands of various tyrants (I'm assuming with civilisation collapsed in the area people congregated around outposts and monasteries in the mountains but were soon seized by despots who did their usual evil thing).
Now I checked the monastery of the yellow rise which I think was founded by st sollars the twice martyred. Indicators are that it was founded over 1000 years ago which could mean it was founded around -250 dr to -199 when the exodus to from jhaamdath across the inner sea was at its greatest.
So I'm wondering if st sollars wasn't a calishite (might change his name a bit to soll'ar and then a suitable surname) who led his church into the vilhon to alleviate the suffering of those still alive, then he is killed by evil types, only to be raised and lead his flock north to impiltur (where he dies again sacrificing himself to save them from hobgoblins and the like).

Have you had any thoughts on st sollars or any other ilmatari saints from the vilhon.

Also is st faeran a dwarf by any chance (faern being a dwarfish word)



Over a thousand years ago in my book in "just over" and given the source you quote is talking from a 1350s DR point of view, that would mean that the Monastery was founded from about 200 DR, not 400 years earlier. This makes sense because the Jhaamdathan diaspora wasn't immediate in terms of reaching the lands of the Easting Coast. Moving into the interior would have taken time also.

St Sollars is an in-house TSR joke as Ed Sollars was laid off by the company twice, explaining the sobriquet. In FR terms, the "Twice-Martyred"moniker is intriguing and worthy of a story, but I don't think there is anything that points to him being Calishite. As noted in my saints work, the Blessed of Ilmater are routinely regional and so I'd have him part of the diaspora from Jhaamdath and leader of a group of Ilmateri faithful who ultimately found the Monastery of the Yellow Rose.

But the history of the Bloodstone lands is totally open, so you are free to do what you like!

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

Edited by - George Krashos on 18 Dec 2015 10:25:52
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Gary Dallison
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Well it was more the mention of Ilmater moving into jhaamdath in -240 ish that made me think calishite. Gods of course don't need to move anywhere and it would be a waste for him to do so, therefore it must be the clergy that moved into the vilhon region (led by a saint) to alleviate all the suffering in the aftermath of the tsunami (plagues, famine, murder, all the usual things that follow natural disasters).

For the clergy to move into the region they must have come from somewhere and since Ilmater was a calishite god (although indicators are that calimshan and Jhaamdath's pantheons were merged by that time) it made sense to me for sollars to be calishite, but that was of course assuming he led the mission into jhaamdath in the first place. If he came later (around the 200 dr period) then it's more likely he was native to the reach.

As always I'd prefer I defer to your judgement since impiltur is your baby and sollars is an impiltur icon. So sollars should be 200 dr onwards at the end of the ilmatari mission mission. One might assume the ilmatari were driven from the area with the emigration to impiltur and elsewhere since Ilmaters presence is much lessened in the area in modern times when it should have been greater given all the plagues and wars.

My evilness is wondering if sollars wasn't an accidental saint who perhaps faked his death and fled to the remote corner of faerun for anonymity, only to be discovered and become a symbol and then slain for real. But that's probably just my evil brain working overtime

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sleyvas
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<<St Sollars is an in-house TSR joke as Ed Sollars was laid off by the company twice, explaining the sobriquet. In FR terms, the "Twice-Martyred"moniker is intriguing and worthy of a story>>

See, now THAT is the stuff you never learn except for places like here. That's kinda funny. I don't ever remember an Ed Sollars from TSR, but then life has been a whirlwind of people writing on the realms.

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