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Duneth Despana
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Posted - 19 Jun 2015 :  11:17:40  Show Profile Send Duneth Despana a Private Message  Reply with Quote
weeeeeeeeeeee! can't wait!

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dazzlerdal
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Hi George,

I've been reading and re-reading your Lord of the End of Everything article and I've a few questions.

1 - Are the Sstar gems that Jergal was looking for (the dwarves took some) the same as the Chardalyns of the Sarrukh and Netherese.

2 - How do the Sstar gems relate to the Code of Reversion and the spell weavers. I am thinking something along the lines of the spell weavers that tried to ascend were transformed into small runestones that are the Chardalyns/Sstar gems. Then Jergal has them all collected and used in his ritual at the end.

3 - A hunefer is supposedly the remains of a demigod that is mummified. The 3rd edition writeup says that if a dead god ascends again the hunefer is discarded and left to wallow in undying rage. Does that mean Jergal's hunefer could survive as some kind of lava like monster in the Everfire of Sundabar?


And if you haven't had any thoughts on the above that's fine, I'm looking to involve the Chardalyns with Jergal and the ritual so I can connect them to the Tear of Ascore (which I'm gonna make Jergal's Chardalyn) which is owned by Aumvor and is justification for him assuming the role of the Lichlord and attempting to combat Karsus to keep him from disrupting Jergal's ritual.

And once again, great article, there is years worth of lore here.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 02 Jul 2015 :  07:04:27  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Hi George,

I've been reading and re-reading your Lord of the End of Everything article and I've a few questions.

1 - Are the Sstar gems that Jergal was looking for (the dwarves took some) the same as the Chardalyns of the Sarrukh and Netherese.

2 - How do the Sstar gems relate to the Code of Reversion and the spell weavers. I am thinking something along the lines of the spell weavers that tried to ascend were transformed into small runestones that are the Chardalyns/Sstar gems. Then Jergal has them all collected and used in his ritual at the end.

3 - A hunefer is supposedly the remains of a demigod that is mummified. The 3rd edition writeup says that if a dead god ascends again the hunefer is discarded and left to wallow in undying rage. Does that mean Jergal's hunefer could survive as some kind of lava like monster in the Everfire of Sundabar?


And if you haven't had any thoughts on the above that's fine, I'm looking to involve the Chardalyns with Jergal and the ritual so I can connect them to the Tear of Ascore (which I'm gonna make Jergal's Chardalyn) which is owned by Aumvor and is justification for him assuming the role of the Lichlord and attempting to combat Karsus to keep him from disrupting Jergal's ritual.

And once again, great article, there is years worth of lore here.



The Sstar gems and aspects of the tale regarding the Code of Reversion were more Eric's babies than mine, especially the former, so I don't have much more to say about them. I like the idea of them being chardalyns however.

I also like the idea of that hunefer existing as 'something' to this day. Didn't have any specific thoughts when I did the write-up other than to adopt Eric's original premise regarding using Jergal's hunefer death to create the magic of the Everfire rift.

Glad you're enjoying the piece. It is certainly "out there".

-- George Krashos

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dazzlerdal
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I just assumed because Jergal wanted the Sstar gems so badly, and Jergal was manipulating Arthindol and the netherese who wanted Chardalyns that they were both one and the same.

Then i linked the magical nature of the Chardalyns to the spell weavers and hey presto the chardalyns/sstar gems become the remains of the spell weaver race. I figure crushing the gem releases the portion of the spell weaver and is part of the component used in the ritual to restore the race.

I wonder if i could use your idea of the candidates of Jergal to provide a foundation for Siamorphe's origins, who is repeatedly reincarnated in a new form. I imagine one of the candidates didnt quite die and instead becomes a constantly reincarnating demigod.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 Jul 2015 :  15:26:35  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

I just assumed because Jergal wanted the Sstar gems so badly, and Jergal was manipulating Arthindol and the netherese who wanted Chardalyns that they were both one and the same.

Then i linked the magical nature of the Chardalyns to the spell weavers and hey presto the chardalyns/sstar gems become the remains of the spell weaver race. I figure crushing the gem releases the portion of the spell weaver and is part of the component used in the ritual to restore the race.

I wonder if i could use your idea of the candidates of Jergal to provide a foundation for Siamorphe's origins, who is repeatedly reincarnated in a new form. I imagine one of the candidates didnt quite die and instead becomes a constantly reincarnating demigod.



If I was going to go with chardalyns not occurring naturally, I'd link them to some experiment designed to harness and store seriously large amounts of magical energy -- like, making some sort of planet-wide heat sink that stored magical energy. The plan of course did not work as expected (which could have had disastrous, even cataclysmic effects), and left the chardalyn as they are today: single-use magical capacitors.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 05 Jul 2015 :  01:05:57  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

To understand the story of the Yuir elves is to understand that the green elves of the Yuirwood were unique. Unique in that their environment and their request of the Seldarine to tame the fey deities active in those remote woodlands meant that the Sy`Tel`Quessir tied themselves to the environs of the Yuirwood for all time. Much like the dark elves of Faerūn were changed into drow by the will of the Seldarine, so too were the Yuir elves altered by their gods, effectively becoming the elven equivalent of dryads, unable to leave the environs of the Yuirwood without sickening and dying.

With that dire limitation however came beneficial fey traits and mastery over their woodland environments (all Yuir elves had minor druidic powers like pass without trace, entangle or animal friendship etc.). Those traits were "in the blood" so to speak but were not passed down to non-green elven children, whether half-elves or full-bloods.

The star elves that gathered in the Yuirwood over time were a mixed lot. They ranged from the noble Lamavarith clan hailing from Siluvanede to the pious Hualarydnym clan of Cormanthyr to the xenophobic Marintraal clan of the Forest of Tethir. These families and others gathered to form their own homeland in a place well-suited to their unique natures. They had an instant affinity with the Yuir green elves, but considered the moon elves resident there to be an unwelcome presence as the Yuirwood resonated as a place with strong ties to the fey that only the native green Yuir elves and the star elves appreciated.

In most star elves, this attitude manifested itself in small ways: cold dealings, exclusion and avoidance. But for star elves such as the militant Ralandraar clan from the Chondalwood, the moon elves were enemies to be defeated and destroyed. The Ralandraar were an ancient clan, having its origins in the fallen realm of Eillūr. Whereas history notes that some green elves of that nation turned traitor and aided the rampant Ilythiiri during the Sable Wars, history does not record that the most assistance given to the Ilythiiri invaders was provided by the Ralandraar star elves. Their actions were in response to the perceived failure of the moon elf elite of Keltormir and Shantel Othreier to render sufficient aid during the Sable Wars and tarred them for all time as suspected collaborators and "dhaeraow".

And so it was that Darandril, clan elder of the Ralandraars, connived to remove the moon elf population of the Yuirwood and continue his clan's age old conflict with the Teu`Tel`Quessir. In doing so, he betrayed three green elf clans that they had befriended, heaping yet further disgrace on his blighted clan. He arranged a secret meeting with the three respective clan elders, slew them treacherously and then used magic to conceal his crime and make it seem that they had been sacrificed by moon elves in an attempt to gain the "blood powers" of the native green elves. The impressionable Yuir green elves, having already assumed some star elf attitudes toward their erstwhile moon elven comrades, reacted as hoped for by the Ralandraars, culminating in the wholesale slaughter of the moon elves who were unable to escape the woodlands.

For a long time afterward, there was peace and harmony in the Yuirwood, for the green elves were malleable and the star elves used their High Magic to subtly and quietly assert a pre-eminent position in the realm they formed and named Yuireshanyaar. As the seasons rolled on however, and the power of humans in the surrounding lands grew ever-greater, the star elves began the construction of Sildeyuir in secret and two centuries later, abandoned the green elves of the Yuirwood to their fate, knowing that those unique green elves could not depart with them. The loss of the Art was keenly felt by the Yuir elves who found themselves eventually defenceless to incursions by drow, humanoids and the biggest "monster" of all, humans.

The Yuirwood saw a short-lived renaissance in the 6th and 7th century Dalereckoning when it experienced an influx of gold elves from Myth Drannor who negotiated a presence in the forest with the dwindling Yuir green elves and even created the mythal city of Myth Tarranvar in the Year of the Oaken Glade (517 DR). This fledgling mythal city was entirely isolated after the fall of Myth Drannor and the destruction of the gate that linked it to Cormanthyr, and finally succumbed to a drow incursion in 778 DR.

When human trailblazers and explorers finally breached the natural defences of the Yuir and plumbed the depths of the Yuirwood in c. 870 DR, they discovered a weak Yuir green elven people, eking out an existence in scattered, family groupings with no ruler and no cities. A century and half later, the number of full-blooded elves had dwindled to less than a hundred and the intermingling of elf and human had created a new Yuir realm of half-elves that the present recognises as the realm of Aglarond. The Yuir green elves had become only whispers among the branches and falling leaves of the forest they had called home for millennia.

-- George Krashos



Liking this. Makes the Star elves much dirtier in my mind, and the piece where the Yuir elves tied themselves to "the land" kind of a like a dryad to a tree is wonderful.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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Demzer
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George,

can you tell us more about Halthetes "the Highsage" of Cimbar, cited in your piece about Ouranalathra "the Mistmaiden"? When was he in Cimbar? Is he still alive in 1375 DR? Does he have any formal ties to the Cimbarian University? What are his areas of expertise?

Thanks!
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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 09 Jul 2015 :  21:33:50  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

To understand the story of the Yuir elves


Thanks again George! Awesome work. The elaboration is hugely helpful for my imagination and campaign efforts.

Earth-life has been rearing its ugly head here so it's taken me a while to see this. Has your move gone well?
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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 28 Jul 2015 :  14:11:23  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi George,

I have another question about the Lord of the End of Everything article, specifically this section.

quote:
In -3654 DR, after bypassing the wards and the arakhor that guarded the mist-shrouded halls of the Ba’etith, Jergal regained the Golden Skins of the World Serpent he had placed there and hid them amidst the ruins of Aryvandaar (specifically the fourth Dlardrageth Armory, after creating a weakness in the wards cloaking the fourth Dlardrageth Armory through the Border Ethereal). Jergal’s intent was to sow the seeds of Eaerlann’s destruction by deceiving those who sought to reclaim the ancient magics of the Vyshaantar Empire into discovering these legendary artifacts and the secrets they held within them, leaving him free to grow his power among the Netherese. His labours in this regard would bear deadly fruit with the Slaughter of Sharrven in -2770 DR.


I'm trying to weave your article into my version of Netheril and i'm having a bit of trouble figuring out what Jergal actually wanted to achieve here.

The problem i have is that in -3654 DR the only enemy i can think of for Eaerlann that Jergal would be able to manipulate into retrieving the Nether Scrolls is the daemonfey of Siluvanede. However they had already tried to access the armouries and failed between -4500 DR and -4300 DR, so surely the elves would be on the lookout for further attempts to access them (even 800 years after).

Now the scrolls were kept in the only unplundered Dlardrageth Armoury (up to that point), but was later plundered by the Netherese which resulted in them turning away from the worship of the divine (and Jergal) which is a bit of an own goal, but one that i am happy with.

Now for me i have Arthindol actually weakening the wards on the various armouries and retrieving the Nether Scrolls and moving them to the fourth unplundered armoury, but he did so after subtly inspiration from Jergal (a dream vision perhaps).

Jergal wanted someone else to find it, but Arthindol eventually directed the netherese to recover them and this accidentally weakened Jergal's power rather than increase it like was planned.


The bit i am struggling with is why were they moved to the only unplundered armoury (surely it would be easier to put them in an already plundered armoury where the daemonfey were known to be living after their exile from Siluvanede). Next is who were the enemies Jergal was trying to tempt to destroy the elves of Eaerlann. Third is did that enemy recover the scrolls and use the knowledge to destroy Sharrven or not (the article implies yes with Sharrven's destruction, but history suggests no since the scrolls were still there to be recovered later and i doubt the fledgling netherese could destroy the daemonfey holding the scrolls which implies they lived in the armoury).

Any help or insight you can offer to my quandary would be most appreciated.

I'm leaning towards the enemy being the daemonfey (and either the elves of Eaerlann thought them all dead, or they felt the wards around the armouries would hold - elven arrogance). As for whether the scrolls were recovered or not, i just dont know, maybe they were and the daemonfey returned them because they were too dangerous and evil even for them. Maybe they were recovered and Arthindol was able to call them back to the place he put them in -3654 DR with a click of his fingers (he did create them after all) or perhaps they rejected the daemonfey and teleported back to his side when he called them. But if they werent recovered then what gave the daemonfey the knowledge to destroy Sharrven?

Please help?

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George Krashos
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Posted - 28 Jul 2015 :  15:38:11  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The enemy aren't the daemonfey, and the link with the Slaughter of Sharrven is a long game, veil of deceit situation that actually was unplanned by Jergal, but welcomed by him when it eventuated. He originally wanted the Nether Scrolls to fall into the hands of the elves and corrupt them. The elves, not the daemonfey. That didn't eventuate due to Arthindol's own manipulations, which saw the Scrolls fall into the hands of the Netherese. The byproduct however was that the Netherese became the "big evil" of the region and were blamed for everything bad that occurred - including the Slaughter of Sharrven. The daemonfey directly caused the Slaughter, manipulated in turn by another group that I can't detail, but that group escaped detection due to the prevailing view on Netheril's culpability. Jergal wanted to cause strife and bring down challengers to his power and hegemony. He managed this directly on a few occasions and indirectly on others (such as with the fall of Sharrven). So basically, he wanted to corrupt the elves by exposing them to the Scrolls but this direct manipulation failed. Indirectly however, him freeing up access to the Scrolls and them falling into the hands of the human Netherese with all the resultant fallout of that empire, saw other dark forces enjoy anonymity within the elven political framework, allowing them in turn to bring about the fall of Sharrven through manipulation of the fey'ri. Clear as mud? Thought so.

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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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dazzlerdal
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Excellent, that is exactly what i was looking for. I especially love the clear as mud answers.

Now i'm wondering who this other secret organisation were and whether we have heard of them yet, but i'm sure some future article will mention them.

Cheers George, you're a life saver

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George Krashos
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Posted - 28 Jul 2015 :  16:18:14  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Demzer

George,

can you tell us more about Halthetes "the Highsage" of Cimbar, cited in your piece about Ouranalathra "the Mistmaiden"? When was he in Cimbar? Is he still alive in 1375 DR? Does he have any formal ties to the Cimbarian University? What are his areas of expertise?

Thanks!



Halthetes was born in 298 DR and died in 375 DR. He was a member of the Cimbarian University (or to give it its proper Untheric name - The Inakku), holding the rank of Tallak (Teacher of the Way - a teacher of knowledge). There were up to twenty Tallaks at any given time, all having a different area of knowledge and expertise. The term "Highsage", was derived from Chondathan terms of address, specifically from surviving written records between Halthetes and Orbanus of Arrabar, who corresponded with each other for many years on various topics of interest.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Rivenhelm
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Hi George,

Totally unrelated question. Did you make the trek to the States for Gen Con? Really wanted to go this year for the Realms 50th, but work has kept me from going, yet again, this year!! Ugh!

Also, saw a picture of you. Spitting image of Jimmy Kimmel!!

Have fun if you're at the Con. Can't wait to hear of any new and exciting stuff, like the announcement of the Eveningstar Mega-module, by Ed, that we are all hoping for!! :-)

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George Krashos
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Hi Rivenhelm. I made it last year but it's not an annual thing for me given my geographical location. In fact it appears to be a 7 year thing given I first attended in 2007! I plan to get to GENCON in 2017 for the 30th anniversary of the release of the Ol' Grey Box and am already thinking about what I'll come up with for the Candlekeep Seminar that year. My contribution this year should be sitting in Erik Scott de Bie's hotel room but I'll send a copy through to Alaundo this weekend for him to upload here at the Keep. My thread here will also feature a further addition to that lore some time in the next week or so. Jimmy Kimmel? If only I had that quickness of humour! Oh, and he has hair!

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Rivenhelm
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Cool!! Can't wait to see it. Yes, I want to make 2017 as well. Something to shoot for. Keeping my fingers crossed that I'll get time off for that.

Don't sweat it, having hair's overrated!


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Markustay
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Finally got around to reading your piece on Jergal over on Ed's site. I had assumed I knew most of it already (from other projects), and hence the delay. Also just caught up with this thread since my last post.

Two things:
1) I'd say that 'naturally occurring ' Chardalyn are really Glowstones (from Dwarves Deep), which absorbed the essence of the Spellweavers and became Sstar Gems. Dwarven Glowstones (from Dwarves Deep, not the ones from 3e) absorb magical energy in much the same way iron absorbs magnetism (a counter-force to magic, BTW). On a magically rich world like Toril - with it's Weave - these stones would be fully charged almost all the time. The Disjunction managed to alter their energy-absorbing abilities and grafted the shattered souls of the Spellweavers into them (which may have been a precursor for the Elven Kiira).

2) Not a fan of the Terraseer being manipulated by Jergal - why not just make the Terraseer Jergal? Wouldn't that have been the simplest solution? He had already posed as a Sarrukh earlier (with the Ba'etith), so he could have simply revised his role. My big problem with it is that it makes some of my own fan-lore conflict (regarding The Terraseer and Halaster). On the other hand - since I take whatever you and Eric say as canon - I have figured out a way too reconcile MY lore with YOURS. Since I think Halaster was the Terraseer, and Halaster was Imaskari, then it would make sense if the two were ancient enemies... truly ANCIENT. You see, Halaster was a Creatori (Creator Race) survivor himself - one who could change his form at-will (and be completely undetectable). He would have also been part of the Ba'etith, and been secretly operating at odds with Jergal the whole time. Now, as for WHICH Creator Race he was from... you'd think human, given his penchent for that form, but a Batarchi would make the most sense. Also, the Fey - another group known for changing their forms - seem to have had their home in the Eastern Realms - right around Halaster's old Imaskari stomping grounds. He could be from any of the Creatori... or even something else. I'll leave that bit open-ended... for now.

And a third point, which I had already worked-out before typing this (so not really much of a point anymore). The stuff concerning the Imaskarna being the 3rd set of Nether scrolls (cool idea, BTW... that 3rd set; I had always said there must have been one ). I wasn't overly found of the Imaskarna being 'lessened' in that fashion, and my own musings point to the fey - the only Creators NOT involved with the Ba'etith - as the ones who first helped the Imaskari on their magical way (because I think 'Sorcerous' traditions actually originated in Zakhara, and with their descendents, the Mujhuri). Sorcery lends itself perfectly to fey magic, as opposed to the study-based, heavily 'lawful', rigid set of rules regarding Arcane Magic.

And then it dawned on me, there are TWO TIERS of Imaskarna. 'greater' and 'lesser', and all was right in the world again. I've already worked out a fix to blend the two fan-lores together on this point. The lesser ones were the ones based on the fey traditions, and then they were able to create the Greater ones using the Nether Scrolls, AND their previous knowledge from The Fey (thus, keeping them unique from the other copies).

Anyhow, keep up the great work. Someone has to keep the Realms alive and breathing.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


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dazzlerdal
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Ooh, dwarven glowstones. I'm gonna read up on those, see if I can link anything to Delzoun.

I read the manipulation of Arthindol as something very subtle (but then all deific/mortal interactions are subtle or non-existant for me). So I made a new artefact "The Tear of Ascore" that is a bit like Jergal's deific phylactery from his time as an undead (yes hunefer have no phylactery but the entire spellweaver race was altered out of existence I just figure Jergal wasn't entirely unaffected either and is a unique undead) and this Tear allowed him to subtly communicate with whoever held it.

That's how he influenced the early necro shaman kings of Netheril (slightly irked I had to rewrite my early netheril to fit those in) and why Aumvor/the Lichking from How the Mighty Are Fallen (Aumvor is also the canon possessor of the Tear of Ascore) because Jergal kept him as insurance in case any of the candidates and Netheril turned against him.

So Karsus tries to cast his spell to stop the phaerimm and Jergal (separately). Arthindol tries to stop Jergal (but manipulates his lich brethren to do it for him). The phaerimm try to stop Jergal. Aumvor tries to stop Karsus and Arthindol with an army of undead. Cue big fights all over Netheril and a huge messed up Code of Reversion that leads to the death of the candidates and Jergal becoming some monstrous merged sentience that looks a lot like a sharn. Or at least that's how I'm working it.

I've wanted to rewrite Netheril for years and George finally filled in enough of the blanks to allow me to do it. Three cheers for George.

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Posted - 06 Aug 2015 :  13:37:40  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi George,
I was wondering about the surname of Ioulaum Halargoth, i was wondering if it had any connection to a familial estate on the edges of the High Moor.

If so then thats excellent because i had already linked Ioulaum to dragons (one of his many obsessions) through the Book of the World/the Book of the Dragon and i'm working on having the Archwizards each found newer noble houses that gradually replace the old noble houses (of tribal/clan origin).


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George Krashos
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Posted - 07 Aug 2015 :  03:43:36  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Hi George,
I was wondering about the surname of Ioulaum Halargoth, i was wondering if it had any connection to a familial estate on the edges of the High Moor.



I did use Orogoth as a template re the surname, but wasn't intending to make a connection between the two. The name has no significance other than me wanting to give the guy a surname. Feel free to make any connections you like.

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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 07 Aug 2015 :  20:51:55  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Excellent, cheers George. Your naming is inspired, and it inspired me to do the same.

I see no harm in linking the Archwizards to noble houses. After all each Archwizard may have had children at some point and those descendants would want respect according to the station of their ancestor (who may still be alive).

Of course I've got a very complicated interaction between Netheril and the Archwizards (since I made the Archwizards and the enclaves a separate entity from Netheril), but at some point I had the rulers of the Empire replaced by arcanists so the arcanists become the new nobles and House Orogoth definitely sounds like a noble family (then there is House Nemrin of Anauria so the practice might have continued).

So I had the children of Archwizards become the new nobility that gradually replaced the tribal nobility of Netheril's history. It adds an extra layer that ties the Archwizards to the region rather than seeing them rush off to the far corners of the world.

Of course then I had to make the Archwizards sterile to stop the Houses becoming enormouse, but that's what longevity magics are for.

Anyways, thanks again for the excellent Jergal article, I'm up to the Silver and Golden Age now.

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Finally had time to re-read your pieces on the Yuirwood, think about them and read your new work on Ilmatari saints.

First off: everything is awesome, thanks a lot for your continued contribution to the Realms.

Now on the Yuirwood:
- what was the "behind closed doors" reaction (if there ever was any) of the other Star Elven clans to the Night of Bloodstones and its aftermath?
- do you think the major clans you cited (Lamavarith, Hualarydnym, Marintraal and Ralandraar) survived to the late 1370s or may have been swept away by the nilshai threat or other causes in their 2 millenia long isolation?
- is there someone among elven communities (Evermeet, Sildeyuir, ecc...) who knows how events played out in the Yuirwood of old? Judging by The Simbul's Gift the elves from Evermeet know something about the whole mess, is there someone among the surviving Star Elves that knows about all the treachery? What about descendants of the realm of Larlotha?
- anything you can share about Myth Tarranvar?
- the drows that plagued the Yuirwood are those from Undrek'Thoz or come from other smaller clans/settlements?

On the Ilmatari Saints:
- are there specific monk/knightly orders associated with St. Irimae the Requited and St. Shaleen the Unyielding or just clerics of Ilmater with some special options due to their devotion to these individual saints? Speaking in 3E terms, i can see a sisterhood of Knight-of-the-Chalice-like Ilmatari paladins/monks dedicated to St. Irimae or a special order of Inquisitors worshiping St. Shaleen.
- do you have a name or three to spare for saints of Loviatar, Lurue and Sharess? Any stray backstory or descriptive bit would be treasured.

Thanks!
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St Persaadon the Seascourge

Symbol: Two blue cresting waves to the sinister with scarlet tips
Center of Worship: Monastery of the Fire Lily
Domain: Tempest

Certainly the most unique of Ilmater's Sacred Sisters, Persaadon was a triton female who chafed against the patriarchal society she was born into. She dreamed of becoming a warrior maiden like the famous Jhimar, the triton founder of the Jhimari Order of the Dukars, but was rebuffed by her male caste elders who would not countenance her training to become a warrior (it should be noted that in ages past all triton Dukars changed their names to end with -r, setting aside the conservative triton naming conventions that required all male triton names to end in -s and all females to end in -n). In her anger and frustration, Persaadon fled the safety of the Vuuvax Protectorate and took to the open waters to the north, encountering other folk of the sea for the first time, notably the enigmatic sharlarin.

As the years passed, Persaadon became a hidden protector of the sharlarin and locathah tribes of the Po'ioa Plateau and east into the Easting Reach and was known to the sharlarin as "Po'Tapal" (or the "protecting tapal" in their tongue). In the Year of Dark Stalking (989 DR) Persaadon ran afoul of the drow of Lyrathil and their vodyanoi servitors and was captured and enslaved by the dark elves. There in the slave dungeons of that dark elf settlement Persaadon met the human priest Elbrathar of Ilmater, who used his spells from the Crying God to heal the tortured and wounded and tend to the needs of the sick and infirm. Elbrathar taught Persaadon to master her emotions and control the fury that rose in her at her captivity, seeing to it that she lived rather than be slain by the cruel drow for her resistance. He instilled in Persaadon the need for endurance, the strength to do so and above all, a sense of duty to protect the weak and to ease the suffering of others. Over time and with the aid and encouragement of the ageing Elbrathar, Persaadon came to the faith of the Broken One and was received into his priesthood.

Some ten or so winters later, the aged Elbrathar was killed by drow overseers for his inability to work in the fungus farms, kelp beds and blackshell pools that fed the community. The devastated Persaadon escaped her captors within a moon, guided by dream visions from the Crying God, and travelled north into the Easting Reach, finding a home in the sea caves near Sarshel. It was there that Persaadon came to the attention of the people of Impiltur who lived in the coastal villages on the western shore of the Easting Reach. She spent her days and nights saving the drowning from shipwrecks, providing warnings when scrag and koalinth raiders were massing and thwarting pirate raiders. Her activities soon brought her renown in the Church of Ilmater and a small beachside shrine to the Crying God was established south of Sarshel where pilgrims could come and worship Ilmater and every full moon receive a homily from the "Blue Lady" as some of the faith came to call her.

Persaadon met her end in the Year of the Roaring Tempest (1019 DR) when she shattered the pirate flotilla known as the Brotherhood of Salt and Steel in the coastal seas off Dilpur. Her roused fury at their slaving and pillaging throughout the lands of the Reach over the course of a summer season saw her send six, fully-crewed pirate rakers to the depths but not before fell magic laid her low. Her body was never found, but her unique tapal carved from the thighbone of a merrow washed up on shore near her shrine and was taken up in reverence by Moraun, priest of Ilmater and one of the foremost Hands of Suffering of that day (at that time, the Hands of Suffering were Ilmater's anointed champions, roving the lands of the Inner Sea and the Sword Coast and spreading his teachings to all). When Ilmater sent dream visions to the faithful to pronounce Persaadon's ascension to the ranks of his "blessed", a monastery was built at that site which remains there to this day, the tapal on display in the Scarred Sanctum as her only relic.

Devotion to St Persaadon is strong in the city of Sarshel and the surrounding environs, with many clergy of the Crying God taking her as their patron saint. For many years priests dedicated to St Persaadon have been co-opted into the Warsails of Impiltur, that realm's navy, in recognition of their unique magical ability among the priesthood. The flagship of the Warsails, known colloquially as "Rilaunyr's Warship" for its master, but named more properly as Darthorn's Fist, numbers twelve priests dedicated to Ilmater and St Persaadon among its crew.

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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

Edited by - George Krashos on 09 Jan 2016 12:01:32
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Duneth Despana
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Posted - 23 Aug 2015 :  21:44:55  Show Profile Send Duneth Despana a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
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And yes, the Ilythiiri corrupted many elves ... as you will see ... and a few other races ... as you will also see.




Did we ever see? and if we did where? thanks in advance!

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Steven Schend
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George, you've outdone yourself with St. Persaadon. You make me want to go and reread Sea of Fallen Stars to remind myself what I've forgotten from writing it. ;)

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George Krashos
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Posted - 27 Aug 2015 :  20:00:24  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Steven Schend

George, you've outdone yourself with St. Persaadon. You make me want to go and reread Sea of Fallen Stars to remind myself what I've forgotten from writing it. ;)



Thanks Steven. I had to do this write-up to sort out the reference to clerics of Poseidon in FR9 (ick!) and to do a little fix on how triton names are derived. Jhimar the female triton should have been "Jhiman" based on SoFS, but I think my dukar naming angle works fine.

Always loved SoFS - in my view your most amazing FR work. Still so much in there that makes me say "wow"!

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Edited by - George Krashos on 27 Aug 2015 20:00:57
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