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Irennan
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Posted - 30 Mar 2015 :  01:53:55  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by xaeyruudh
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I guess I'm saying, if I could have my way... the heinous things would be traced to individuals, so that we can say this guy right here hated the moon elves, and this one decided to use the green elves to get rid of the silver elves, and this one developed a mass charm high magic spell that compelled the green elves to go along with it in spite of it alienating them from their friends, neighbors, lovers, and children, and it was this one who murdered the three elders and kicked off a war of terror and tears that made the silver elves scatter and lose their homes and loves.

That isn't consistent with existing presentations of history. History chapters, even when they're long, sometimes seem to be rushed and short on some of the details that would help us sort our reactions to the story. Kudos to the Ruins of Myth Drannor for naming the nycaloths -- I still remember reading those names the first time. Cormanthyr gave us the Vyshaan clan, giving us a more specific target than just hating all of Aryvandaar... it creates a door, behind which we might find good in Aryvandaar; drowned out, maybe, and certainly overbalanced, but possibly there. If it's taken another step, to naming individuals in the clan who set the whole nightmare into motion and made "everyone" go along with it, then there's room for writing about opposing voices even within the Vyshaan family.

Yah, the room is there anyway... but the prompt to write those stories is more clear when fingers are pointed and names are named. When it's clearly individuals who are doing the evil, then the rest of the race can be basically okay.

All just my opinion.

Except the "awesome lore." That's not opinion; that's fact.




I hear you here. When something bad happens on a large scale, you can't really expect the common people to be behind that, it is far more likely to have a group of few powerful and influent individuals pulling the strings (and often brainwashing/manipulating the masses, in order to be able to do their thing).

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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 30 Mar 2015 :  02:22:10  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

I hear you here. When something bad happens on a large scale, you can't really expect the common people to be behind that, it is far more likely to have a group of few powerful and influent individuals pulling the strings (and often brainwashing/manipulating the masses, in order to be able to do their thing).



True, but in the Realms we have the drow, where non-evil alignment marks someone for sacrifice. I'm not saying the star elves come off sounding like the drow, but they are related and when the subraces are talked about in general terms --like they are in most elven timelines-- it makes all of elfdom sound like it has some similarities. History, as it's been written, gives several elven subraces common ground with the drow.

And the "gosh, we feel so terribly wounded by that time that we don't want to talk about it" is questionable. It's easy to believe, because it was heinous and it deserves to be regretted... but there remains the fact that they did it, and they did it over and over for thousands of years, and the only reason they sorta-kinda stopped was the annihilation of the clan that started the whole mess. Even after the Crown Wars were over, we still see mass murder on the menu as a way of getting what you want.

And when history paints entire subraces with broad strokes it comes out sounding like the Crown Wars is evidence of who the elves really are, and all the years when they're not currently murdering everyone they see is just recovery time.

Also, the existence of the Eldreth Veluuthra is not doing them any favors.

This isn't meant to be an "elves are evil, kill them all" rant. I don't think Ed meant for all the elves to be evil... if he did, Elminster wouldn't have a bunch of elven friends. I don't think designers intend for all the elves to sound like drow... the separateness of the drow loses power when there are similarities.

I'm just advocating that the lion's share of the evil be attached to individuals, making it clear even to blockheads like me who just read the text without inserting all the implied parts that these races are decent overall, with dark blotches here and there and a few grossly evil parts... just like humans on Earth.

Because after reading a story about "elves" doing grossly evil things to each other, it really starts to sound like "elves" are grossly evil.

Apologies for the wordiness. I know I need to work on that. The anger, too.
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Irennan
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I'm also advocating for the lion's share of the guilt to be attached to individuals or groups, but that already is the case (well, sort of), if you look closer.

Even in the case of the drow, you could easily point out the influence of Lolth and her lackeys and their ''laws'' on the people who are born and grow there. Even in Ilythiir, do you really think that the random commoner was a warmongering wielder of dark powers, or that a lot of their mages and priests were the ones who created the various messes (not to mention that you also have the ''drow'' of Miyeritar)? When they -as a whole race- were cast down by the Seldarine, they found guidance in Lolth (since Eilistraee had been ''nerfed into the ground'' by the Dark Disaster) and she had all the time to set up their life and society and enforce it through her pawns. The existence of Eilistraee and her followers is also a proof that it is not the ''race'' as such.

The same thing goes for elves and the Crown Wars -- at the end of the day, the people who have major powers and influence tend to be the ones who are behind the major stuff that the race is known for, if they happen to be bad things, the race could come out with a grossly bad -but inaccurate- reputation.

You said it very well, it is just like humans on Earth. I've seen people believing that the population of some war-torned or warmongering countries is generally ''evil'', for a lack of a better word, and that is simply, obviously false (and at the end of the day, elves or what you have are just reskinned humans with different cultures -and/or exacerbated and frequent human traits-, they are never truly alien).

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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 30 Mar 2015 :  04:18:28  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well this sent me off on a tangential rant, but I think I need to stop hijacking George's thread so I'll put it somewhere else.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

I'm also not trying to ask you, George, to do more work. It's just a "wish list" kind of thing. It's my responsibility to insert the implications in the proper places as I'm reading, and I can add specifics for my own games if I feel the powerful need. The most important part is having a cohesive and believable story, and you're constantly giving us that. Thank you!
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George Krashos
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No hijacking at all. I agree and accept everything both of you have commented on. And yes, the star elves as a whole are not "bad elves". I gave you the broad brush strokes version. In a little while I'll give you the detailed version - I'm moving house at the moment and time is scarce. Oh and by the way, keep the comments and questions coming: I do enjoy them so..

-- George Kraahos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

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Demzer
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Uhm well, my questions spawned an interesting discussion, i admit i was kinda taken aback by this tale of star elven treachery but it was more of a "them too?" moment. After some time reading and rereading it i can see how it is perfectly in line with elven lore and how i can even empathize with the star elves here (i mean, it's easy for the moon elves to always pin every elven misdeed to the sun elves, but the fact of the matter is that moon and sun elves always represented the elite of almost every elven realm, so if the elite messed up the moon elves were responsible too and since elves hold grudges i can perfectly see the star elves plotting with some sort of "it's payback time" attitude).

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
This conflict culminated in the Night of Bloodstones when three green elven clan elders were found ritually sacrificed and evidence planted to implicate the moon elf clans.



This was probably the biggest surprise of the whole story. Ritually sacrificed? What sort of rites did the Seldarine have this moon elves do that responsibility for someone ritually sacrificed could be pinned on them? I have a very low opinion of most things elven but i would be hard pressed to attribute a ritual sacrifice victim to some surface elven subrace, even with lots of proofs backing it up. Either the moon elves weren't completely clean or the star elves did an impressive propaganda job in just 100 years (a very short time by elven standards i suppose).

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
The departure of the star elves would spell the doom of the Yuir green elves, but that is a tale for another time.



Argh! This is evil!

But i'll wait for any other information you are willing to share, on this topic and on my Grey Forest questions, because, as always in this thread, everything is pure gold. Thanks for taking the time!
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dazzlerdal
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Hi George,

Regarding your Lord of the End of Everything article.

I dont suppose you had any thoughts about children of the "Chosen" (i dread to use the term, but i can't think of anything else that suitably describes a person infused with deific power) of Jergal.

Not that i intend to have an army of divine essence infused spawn, like Bhaal. However your explanation for Bright Nydra i think could also be applied to the destruction of Asram and certain battling demi-powers (or more likely quasi-powers which it would be in this case).

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crazedventurers
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Posted - 27 May 2015 :  20:42:03  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal
I dont suppose you had any thoughts about children of the "Chosen" (i dread to use the term, but i can't think of anything else that suitably describes a person infused with deific power) of Jergal.


Demi-power or quasi-power maybe?

Anyhoo semantics aside, that is a great follow up question, would love to hear more from George on this and any other easter Eggs he has bouncing around his brain and/or hidden on his computers hard drive!

More lore on the North would be appreciated as well (am sure the North Timeline needs expanding with more Lore to round out the single entries!!)

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Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
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dazzlerdal
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Also had a few more thoughts.

The immediate aftermath of Karsus' Avatar spell saw his body swell with deific power and then transform into red hued stone which plummeted into the Dire Wood, a red hued stone which is not unlike the red hued stone that the 13 pyramids of Ascore are constructed of. According to Powers and Pantheons and LEOF (i think).

Given that the weave at the time of this spell was undergoing huge fluctuations is it not likely that the spell of Karsus and the ritual being performed by Jergal interfered with each other possibly binding Karsus and the Spellweavers together in the pyramids somehow.

As a further thought, i'm wondering if this fluctuation in the weave did not result in the seven candidates accidentally becoming part of merged beings, so perhaps spell weavers, the candidates, and possibly other individuals unknown (maybe infiltrators sent by Arthindol, or perhaps phaerimm that were trying to interrupt the ritual), came together to become a particular tripartite form.

I wonder if there are not two groups of tripartite individuals that happen to look alike, but are in fact unrelated.

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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 28 May 2015 :  16:00:34  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh and i found the Tomb of Chonis in eastern Cormyr (mentioned in the Cormyr 3e adventure), nice easter egg

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Steven Schend
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Posted - 28 May 2015 :  17:20:15  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Also had a few more thoughts.

The immediate aftermath of Karsus' Avatar spell saw his body swell with deific power and then transform into red hued stone which plummeted into the Dire Wood, a red hued stone which is not unlike the red hued stone that the 13 pyramids of Ascore are constructed of. According to Powers and Pantheons and LEOF (i think).



I need more caffeine today. My first mental response to this was "That's a spicy meatball!/I can't believe I ate the whole thing!" from old antacid commercials.

Nifty theory, nonetheless.

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Markustay
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Well, I've long had a theory that psionic abilities were conected to magical abilities in a synergistic way. If we go back to how EGG originally envisioned (Vancian) magic, people are memorizing complex 'matrixes' which unlock certain dramatic affects in the world - spells are almost like 'universe hacks', and they require great mental fortitude and willpower... things which psionics is all about.

So most creatures have either one or the other (or neither). They can learn to cast spells if they are smart and have the knack, or they can dabble in 'mind mage' stuff (which overlaps heavily with the school of enchantment, and illusion as well).

But what happens when you have BOTH?

Elminster, of course. His latent psionic abilities and his natural talent for magic is what makes him so special. He is like the Neo character in The Matrix - he can literally see the strands of The Weave, pick them apart, and re-arranged them at will. Amongst other things, he can walk into one portal and exit another that was never meant to be connected. Even The Blackstaff doesn't understand how he does some of the stuff he does.

So lets look at some other prodigies, like Karsus. Karsus may well have been Elminster's equal, or even superior (hard to judge that - the rules of magic changed a lot between their eras). I am sure Karsus may have had some degree of psionic ability. Iouluam? That ones a no-brainer. What about Larloch? He seem to be able to do similar stuff as Elminster (alter portals to do other things then intended). And while we are on that, lets go back even further - what of Halaster? He is also able to alter other people's magics, even modify the powers of artifacts. Thats some major magical mojo right there. And what did Mystra do? She took Halaster 'mind' and threw it at Asmodeus as a weapon... once again, demonstrating that an incredibly powerful mind can over-write any magical defenses.

So Karsus becomes the 'momentary god' of magic... and then falls to the ground as a RED statue of himself. Perhaps this 'stone' is some sort of hitherto unknown element - a physical manifestation of mental power (psionics). I am picturing something that is ectoplasmic in nature at first, and then either hardens on its own, or is mixed with other materials to make unique 'building blocks'. Maybe these Red Building blocks help direct magic/psionics contained within them (enhancing it), and at the same time help to keep-out enemy powers (so almost like a reflective mineral, but one that reflects mental energy instead of visible light). And just maybe a race who who specializes in strong magics and psionics have found a way to build megalithic structures out of it.

And THAT might be the connection you are looking for. Just something I came up with on-the-fly, so obviously nothing even remotely canon. Just thought I'd toss that out there as a 'hook' for anyone who wanted to go that route.

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dazzlerdal
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Another question if you may George, this time regarding the death of Lord Delzoun.

I note that his death takes place before the rise of Netheril, but of course netheril was only founded about 50 years after Delzoun was founded. Which of course doesnt give much time for Jergal to ascend and begin speaking to the netherese (not impossible though).

Is this Lord Delzoun maybe an ancestor of the founder of Delzoun. His death i note takes place in the mountains east of Eril which could be the Teeth of Tagorlar. I did note a Heart of the Dark beneath the Teeth in the Underdark which is an unknown feature and so could be a roiling lake of lava (if i recall rightly a netherese settlement on the Teeth of Tagorlar was buried by a volcano in Netheril's fall).

Is it possible that you were alluding to a unknown dwarven kingdom in the Netheril basin before Netheril's time, and was Lord Delzoun the same as the founder of Delzoun (or was it named in his honour)?

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George Krashos
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Delzoun was a warrior of Gharraghaur and founder of the settlement of Osstkar. His son Ghaurin was the founder of the realm of Delzoun. Delzoun's death is an oblique reference to the creation of the Everfire Rift below Sundabar.

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dazzlerdal
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Hmm, I must have my geography all wrong (I do suffer from left/right, east/west confusion quite easily). Good to get it straightened out though (I'm gonna have a search for Osstkar now).

And that gives me a few hundred years to think up how Jergal the deity managed to make himself known to the netherese. I'm thinking a spellweaver artefact found in Eril that ends up in Seventon, I just thought up a name for it as well (actually it can be my attempt at an easter egg) the "Tear of Ascore", a pyramid shaped gemstone.

Oh and just once more for good measure, excellent lore George.

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sleyvas
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Well, I've long had a theory that psionic abilities were conected to magical abilities in a synergistic way. If we go back to how EGG originally envisioned (Vancian) magic, people are memorizing complex 'matrixes' which unlock certain dramatic affects in the world - spells are almost like 'universe hacks', and they require great mental fortitude and willpower... things which psionics is all about.

So most creatures have either one or the other (or neither). They can learn to cast spells if they are smart and have the knack, or they can dabble in 'mind mage' stuff (which overlaps heavily with the school of enchantment, and illusion as well).

But what happens when you have BOTH?

Elminster, of course. His latent psionic abilities and his natural talent for magic is what makes him so special. He is like the Neo character in The Matrix - he can literally see the strands of The Weave, pick them apart, and re-arranged them at will. Amongst other things, he can walk into one portal and exit another that was never meant to be connected. Even The Blackstaff doesn't understand how he does some of the stuff he does.

So lets look at some other prodigies, like Karsus. Karsus may well have been Elminster's equal, or even superior (hard to judge that - the rules of magic changed a lot between their eras). I am sure Karsus may have had some degree of psionic ability. Iouluam? That ones a no-brainer. What about Larloch? He seem to be able to do similar stuff as Elminster (alter portals to do other things then intended). And while we are on that, lets go back even further - what of Halaster? He is also able to alter other people's magics, even modify the powers of artifacts. Thats some major magical mojo right there. And what did Mystra do? She took Halaster 'mind' and threw it at Asmodeus as a weapon... once again, demonstrating that an incredibly powerful mind can over-write any magical defenses.

So Karsus becomes the 'momentary god' of magic... and then falls to the ground as a RED statue of himself. Perhaps this 'stone' is some sort of hitherto unknown element - a physical manifestation of mental power (psionics). I am picturing something that is ectoplasmic in nature at first, and then either hardens on its own, or is mixed with other materials to make unique 'building blocks'. Maybe these Red Building blocks help direct magic/psionics contained within them (enhancing it), and at the same time help to keep-out enemy powers (so almost like a reflective mineral, but one that reflects mental energy instead of visible light). And just maybe a race who who specializes in strong magics and psionics have found a way to build megalithic structures out of it.

And THAT might be the connection you are looking for. Just something I came up with on-the-fly, so obviously nothing even remotely canon. Just thought I'd toss that out there as a 'hook' for anyone who wanted to go that route.




You know, I hadn't really compared the concept.... but the 1e wild talents were in essence the first "sorcerors" if you want to look at it like that. So, actually, having a lot of "wild talents" in some of the early lore may be interpreted as there were a lot of people with sorcerous talent instead. Then psionics turns more into the mental discipline its become.

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George Krashos
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To understand the story of the Yuir elves is to understand that the green elves of the Yuirwood were unique. Unique in that their environment and their request of the Seldarine to tame the fey deities active in those remote woodlands meant that the Sy`Tel`Quessir tied themselves to the environs of the Yuirwood for all time. Much like the dark elves of Faerūn were changed into drow by the will of the Seldarine, so too were the Yuir elves altered by their gods, effectively becoming the elven equivalent of dryads, unable to leave the environs of the Yuirwood without sickening and dying.

With that dire limitation however came beneficial fey traits and mastery over their woodland environments (all Yuir elves had minor druidic powers like pass without trace, entangle or animal friendship etc.). Those traits were "in the blood" so to speak but were not passed down to non-green elven children, whether half-elves or full-bloods.

The star elves that gathered in the Yuirwood over time were a mixed lot. They ranged from the noble Lamavarith clan hailing from Siluvanede to the pious Hualarydnym clan of Cormanthyr to the xenophobic Marintraal clan of the Forest of Tethir. These families and others gathered to form their own homeland in a place well-suited to their unique natures. They had an instant affinity with the Yuir green elves, but considered the moon elves resident there to be an unwelcome presence as the Yuirwood resonated as a place with strong ties to the fey that only the native green Yuir elves and the star elves appreciated.

In most star elves, this attitude manifested itself in small ways: cold dealings, exclusion and avoidance. But for star elves such as the militant Ralandraar clan from the Chondalwood, the moon elves were enemies to be defeated and destroyed. The Ralandraar were an ancient clan, having its origins in the fallen realm of Eillūr. Whereas history notes that some green elves of that nation turned traitor and aided the rampant Ilythiiri during the Sable Wars, history does not record that the most assistance given to the Ilythiiri invaders was provided by the Ralandraar star elves. Their actions were in response to the perceived failure of the moon elf elite of Keltormir and Shantel Othreier to render sufficient aid during the Sable Wars and tarred them for all time as suspected collaborators and "dhaeraow".

And so it was that Darandril, clan elder of the Ralandraars, connived to remove the moon elf population of the Yuirwood and continue his clan's age old conflict with the Teu`Tel`Quessir. In doing so, he betrayed three green elf clans that they had befriended, heaping yet further disgrace on his blighted clan. He arranged a secret meeting with the three respective clan elders, slew them treacherously and then used magic to conceal his crime and make it seem that they had been sacrificed by moon elves in an attempt to gain the "blood powers" of the native green elves. The impressionable Yuir green elves, having already assumed some star elf attitudes toward their erstwhile moon elven comrades, reacted as hoped for by the Ralandraars, culminating in the wholesale slaughter of the moon elves who were unable to escape the woodlands.

For a long time afterward, there was peace and harmony in the Yuirwood, for the green elves were malleable and the star elves used their High Magic to subtly and quietly assert a pre-eminent position in the realm they formed and named Yuireshanyaar. As the seasons rolled on however, and the power of humans in the surrounding lands grew ever-greater, the star elves began the construction of Sildeyuir in secret and two centuries later, abandoned the green elves of the Yuirwood to their fate, knowing that those unique green elves could not depart with them. The loss of the Art was keenly felt by the Yuir elves who found themselves eventually defenceless to incursions by drow, humanoids and the biggest "monster" of all, humans.

The Yuirwood saw a short-lived renaissance in the 6th and 7th century Dalereckoning when it experienced an influx of gold elves from Myth Drannor who negotiated a presence in the forest with the dwindling Yuir green elves and even created the mythal city of Myth Tarranvar in the Year of the Oaken Glade (517 DR). This fledgling mythal city was entirely isolated after the fall of Myth Drannor and the destruction of the gate that linked it to Cormanthyr, and finally succumbed to a drow incursion in 778 DR.

When human trailblazers and explorers finally breached the natural defences of the Yuir and plumbed the depths of the Yuirwood in c. 870 DR, they discovered a weak Yuir green elven people, eking out an existence in scattered, family groupings with no ruler and no cities. A century and half later, the number of full-blooded elves had dwindled to less than a hundred and the intermingling of elf and human had created a new Yuir realm of half-elves that the present recognises as the realm of Aglarond. The Yuir green elves had become only whispers among the branches and falling leaves of the forest they had called home for millennia.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Demzer
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My first reaction to this new post was a delighted and surprised "Ooooohhhh!!!", but for this forum i will go for the slightly more articulated "Thanks!".

I'll probably have some questions once i've digested everything but for now thanks for taking the time and making our wait more than worth it!
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Some very good stuff, friend Krash!

I will ask a follow up question or three: What remains of Myth Tarranvar, and approximately where was it located? Any particular abilities of its mythal that you can share? And did the drow have a particular reason for attacking the city?

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A fascinating read.

Though, the Sable Wars sounds like a sorely neglected part of the Realmslore for this region. I wouldn't mind hearing more...

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arry
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I would like to hear more as well. Thank you for the work you have put in.
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I'm not a tabletop realms player but I do love reading your lore for pleasure George. Great stuff.
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Lothlos
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George thanks for all the Forgotten Realms lore that you share. Reading this thread has been a real treat.

The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
Pursuing it with eager feet,
Until it joins some larger way
Where many paths and errands meet.
And whither then? I cannot say.
-J.R.R. Tolkien

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Duneth Despana
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http://realmssecretariat.com/jergal/ :O !!! Also your latest pieces on the Yuir !!! :O !!! Thanks for keeping on providing fresh, but clearly recognizable as realmsian, lore!

« There is no overriding « epic » in the Realms, but rather a large number of stories, adventures, and encounters going on all the time. [...]. Each creative mind adds to the base, creating, defining, and making their contribution to the rich diversity of the Realms. [...]. But Ed built the stage upon which all the plays are presented. Thanks Ed. » -FR Comic no.1
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There's some more on the way later next month and I'm finishing of my GENCON surprise hopefully in the next week or so.

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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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