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George Krashos
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 :  10:46:40  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Very impressive George. Any chance you can tell me a little more about the works/songs of the 'Skald of Battle?'



I knew that the reference would get you excited.

I've got a few thoughts which I'll likely get into some decent format in a week or so. Basically, they are additions to the bardic music repetoire.

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crazedventurers
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 :  10:53:27  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Someone one asking for information on Clan Ironshield. Here's a little bit of stuff that may assist.


Thank you very very much George for this and the Elven lore in the previous post.

Warms the soul to see such rich Realmslore.

Cheers

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George Krashos
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 :  10:58:46  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zireael

I'm looking for info about Alashar Crywinds (the wife of Telamont Tanthul).

BTW great stuff Krash, I'll have to look into earlier replies... Manshoon's family is worth saving on my HDD.



Sorry don't have anymore information on Alashar Crywinds, other than what you have already in the sources. I could make up some stuff but that might step on Paul Kemp's toes - given he's a lawyer, I don't want to run the risk of getting sued!

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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 :  11:00:58  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene

George,

How canonical is the above Ironshield piece? Of course, you probably know where I'm going with this... how canonical are terms like "stone-shouldered" and "kuldalagh" for inclusion in the 'Realmspeak' glossary?


As George is an Ed acknowledged "Loremaster of the Realms" consider it canon, to doubt so would be the work of Cyric

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George Krashos
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 :  12:17:09  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene

George,

How canonical is the above Ironshield piece? Of course, you probably know where I'm going with this... how canonical are terms like "stone-shouldered" and "kuldalagh" for inclusion in the 'Realmspeak' glossary?



Not sure how to answer that. If you regard everything that I write as 'canonical', then the answer to your question is "very". If you think I'm just regurgitating published realmslore or giving you the contents of secret Ed realmslore missives, then the answer is "not so much". Canon, shmanon - if you like what I've written, then for you it should be as canon as canon can be.

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coach
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George,

Has there ever been a line of Damaran Kings developed? (either pre- or post- glacier advance/receding)

and while i'm asking what about Sossal too? (since we know when the LAST one was, just not much else)

I'm guessing 'twould be easy to run the Bloodfeathers line back only 3 centuries hehe

i know it was a shoehorn not in Ed's original Realms and perhaps that's why it was one of the few monarchies that didn't receive any GHotR love

Thanks in advance

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coach
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edit above:

i meant that Damara wasn't in Ed's original ... not Sossal as I believe it was

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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Very impressive George. Any chance you can tell me a little more about the works/songs of the 'Skald of Battle?'



I knew that the reference would get you excited.

I've got a few thoughts which I'll likely get into some decent format in a week or so. Basically, they are additions to the bardic music repetoire.

-- George Krashos
Ooooh! Very nice. I'm looking forward to it.

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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  04:13:53  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
George,

Do you have any further information regarding Aubayreer Mindosel of Teshar?

I'm looking for a particular individual that may have been somewhat influential in a manner of speaking within "The Ride" and wanted to make sure I didn't contradict anything.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  17:47:14  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Teshar really isn't all that close to the Ride in relative terms and as for Aubayreer, Eric and I always thought that he'd spent little of his life, save for his childhood and adolescence, in Teshar proper. Eric alluded to this in his GHotR snippet (p.62) and I always focused more on his time after he'd arrived in the eastern lands of Impiltur and then his founding of Milvarn.

Just what information were you after?

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George Krashos
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  17:58:27  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by coach

George,

Has there ever been a line of Damaran Kings developed? (either pre- or post- glacier advance/receding)

and while i'm asking what about Sossal too? (since we know when the LAST one was, just not much else)

I'm guessing 'twould be easy to run the Bloodfeathers line back only 3 centuries hehe

i know it was a shoehorn not in Ed's original Realms and perhaps that's why it was one of the few monarchies that didn't receive any GHotR love

Thanks in advance



Hmm, missed this post from a while back.

The lineages contained in GHotR were made up of Steven's existing Tethyr line, his unfinished and unpublished Amnian line (which I tidied up), the unpublished and still undetailed Cormyrean line and Eric's Westgate lineage. Other lineages like Aglarond, Dambrath, and Silverymoon existed but had never been cobbled together in that form. I'd done the Velprin one when I had formalised Impiltur so that one was "waiting in the wings" as it were. The only ones created specifically for that book (and done in a mad rush I might add) were Narfell and Raumathar. If I'd had more time, I'd have done Sossal, Illusk/Luskan, Damara and likely the Netherese survivor states. Calimshan is doable - and I have a rough outline for it - but would be by far the biggest of them all and wouldn't have been done for that product no matter the lead time!

So, in a long-winded way, the anser is: no, there haven't been lineages formalised for Damara and Sossal. That's not to say I don't have any ideas for these, but I'm inclined to devote my (always short) leisure time to other projects.

Sounds like a good opportunity for someone here at the Keep to come up with something.

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 :  18:18:00  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Teshar really isn't all that close to the Ride in relative terms and as for Aubayreer, Eric and I always thought that he'd spent little of his life, save for his childhood and adolescence, in Teshar proper. Eric alluded to this in his GHotR snippet (p.62) and I always focused more on his time after he'd arrived in the eastern lands of Impiltur and then his founding of Milvarn.

Just what information were you after?

-- George Krashos




I was considering Teshar's proximity to the Citadel of the Raven, the fact that Aubayreer came into possession of a powerful tome, and the possibility of his venturing in the lands of The Ride where he may have acquired that tome.

I've been digging around various areas in a manner to find those individuals that may have had something to do with The Ride or those places closely affiliated with it.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  15:29:41  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Which "powerful tome" are we talking about?

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Oh, I see what you did there, Mr. Krashos. Implying that there are a few powerful tomes to be found, encouraging adventurers to go on the hunt for them!

Some might say that was very Chosen of you...

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  17:26:01  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Which "powerful tome" are we talking about?

-- George Krashos




Mhaelosian Mantles...which compiled the information that Eltraggar, Mage Royal of Hlondath could find. Later it came into the hands of Aubayreer Mindosel. I'll quote here what you wrote concerning it:

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Mhaelosian Mantles

In the Year of the Broken Lands (191 DR), the arcanist Eltraggar, Mage Royal of Hlondath collected the spell lore of mantles into a single libram of inestimable worth titled Mhaelosian Mantles. This tome of Art was said to describe in exacting detail the nature and function of spell mantles and provide the means and understanding to allow epic spellcasters to create one or more of these legendary spell fields for which the arcanists of Netheril were so famous. Eltraggar is known to have perished at the hands of a young Hastos Auglamyr at the Battle of Crowns Aflame during the Crown and Scepter Wars between Cormanthyr and Hlondath, but the whereabouts of his most coveted libram of spell lore died with him. Hlondath was abandoned in 329 DR as the Great Desert of Anauroch spread east, killing that realm’s fields and livestock, and while adventurers and treasure-hunters explored much of ruined Mhaelos in the fifth century of Dalereckoning, no word was ever received about the discovery of Mhaelosian Mantles, nor its likely whereabouts.

Many years later, the tome was noted as being in the possession of a young mage named Aubayreer Mindosel who was apprenticed to Agannazar of Neverwinter in the Year of the Lissome Apprentice (461 DR). Aubayreer was the son of a minor lordling of the realm of Teshar, a land that was founded by human settlers of Hlondath in the cleared lands between Rystall Wood and Cormanthor in the Year of Leather Shields (-75 DR). How the tome came into Aubayreer’s possession remains a mystery to this day. Travelling west, it is said that Aubayreer was accepted as an apprentice at the School of Wizardry in Neverwinter after trading knowledge found in Mhaelosian Mantles for his position there. Whilst in Neverwinter, Aubayreer received tutelage from the aforementioned Agannazar and his colleagues in magery, Illykur, Presper and Grimwald, who would found the wizard cabal known as the Covenant in the years to come.

Aubayreer remained in the North for several decades, building his skill in the Art, before returning to the lands of the Inner Sea. Teshar had fallen in 479 DR to raids and assaults from the drow of the Twisted Tower, so the kinless and landless Aubayreer travelled to Myth Drannor where he was apprenticed for a time to Saerangol the Hooded One. Aubayreer subsequently left the City of Song after a handful of years and travelled further east, working as a mage-for-hire in Impiltur and briefly studying under Lerthaun Durlarven, uncle of the reigning king of Impiltur, Harandil I.

In the Year of the Upright Man (535 DR), Aubayreer gathered a host of young, landless Impilturian nobles and led them across the Sea of Dlurg, to the foothills of the Dragonjaw Mountains. There he founded the realm of Milvarn, with its capital Milvarune, and established the first permanent human settlement in the Dragonjaw Mountains since the time of Narfell. In the centuries that followed, Milvarn continued to prosper under the guiding hand of Aubayreer’s wizard-ruler descendants, and close ties with surrounding lands were fostered and strengthened. These ties culminated in the marriage of Spell-Prince Elthar, heir to the throne of Milvarn, to Queen Thara of Aglarond in 1237 DR. Elthar was slain at the hands of unknown assassins in the Year of Pain (1245 DR) but given his younger brother Khalreer’s lack of talent for the Art, it is thought that the aged Jholnareer, Mage-King of Milvarn, entrusted much spell lore and secret magic, including Mhaelosian Mantles, to the Grey Sisters of Aglarond. In this fashion, the Simbul chanced upon this mighty legacy of Netheril when she came to serve the throne of Aglarond, and used it to awesome effect in the years that followed to defend the realm against the evil wizardry of Thay.

In the Year of the Leaping Dolphin (1331 DR), the mage Alamanther was destroyed in a great spellbattle against a trio of unknown Red Wizards of Thay. It is believed that the Simbul had entrusted Mhaelosian Mantles to him, bidding Alamanther to study it and keep it safe in the tower of his former master Ustragus in Altumbel. Despite Alamanther’s death, the tome did not fall into the hands of the Red Wizards, for none had any knowledge of it when interrogated over the next handful of years by a vengeful Simbul. In fact, knowledge of the whereabouts of Mhaelosian Mantles was one of the great mysteries of Faerûn for many years afterward until the Year of the Tankard (1370 DR) when it was offered for sale almost half a world-away in the great beholder city of Ooltul, deep beneath the sands of Anauroch. The would-be seller, whom some observers described as a dusky-skinned male elf with serpent-like eyes, disappeared soon after and Mhaelosian Mantles with him. The book’s current location remains a mystery and it is well-known that the Simbul is driven to recover this trove of Netherese spell lore, no matter the cost. Those who handle the tome or learn of its whereabouts should expect a visit from this most volatile of the Chosen of Mystra.




THAT powerful tome.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  18:06:24  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ah yes, THAT powerful tome.

Problem is, that one was found on the other side of the Desertsmouth Mtns - again, a bit of a hop, skip and jump from the Ride.

Of course, if you'd been referring to the books known to sages as Ordu's Amazar or the Enchiridion of Shaelath that would have been different. But you weren't.

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  18:22:33  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Ah yes, THAT powerful tome.

Problem is, that one was found on the other side of the Desertsmouth Mtns - again, a bit of a hop, skip and jump from the Ride.

Of course, if you'd been referring to the books known to sages as Ordu's Amazar or the Enchiridion of Shaelath that would have been different. But you weren't.

-- George Krashos




Ordu's Amazar and the Enchiridion of Shaelath...

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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 :  18:36:16  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene

George,

How canonical is the above Ironshield piece? Of course, you probably know where I'm going with this... how canonical are terms like "stone-shouldered" and "kuldalagh" for inclusion in the 'Realmspeak' glossary?



Not sure how to answer that. If you regard everything that I write as 'canonical', then the answer to your question is "very". If you think I'm just regurgitating published realmslore or giving you the contents of secret Ed realmslore missives, then the answer is "not so much". Canon, shmanon - if you like what I've written, then for you it should be as canon as canon can be.

-- George Krashos


Took me a while (mainly since I wrestled with what you presented me with as an answer/rebuttal for so long) to get to this one. Scribes will start seeing citations of "So saith George Krashos" in the 'Realmspeak' glossary and can thus reflect on whether they wish to use those terms or phrases themselves (just as I have) in the same manner.

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coach
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Posted - 02 Aug 2010 :  00:56:19  Show Profile Send coach a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by coach

George,

Has there ever been a line of Damaran Kings developed? (either pre- or post- glacier advance/receding)

and while i'm asking what about Sossal too? (since we know when the LAST one was, just not much else)

I'm guessing 'twould be easy to run the Bloodfeathers line back only 3 centuries hehe

i know it was a shoehorn not in Ed's original Realms and perhaps that's why it was one of the few monarchies that didn't receive any GHotR love

Thanks in advance



Hmm, missed this post from a while back.

The lineages contained in GHotR were made up of Steven's existing Tethyr line, his unfinished and unpublished Amnian line (which I tidied up), the unpublished and still undetailed Cormyrean line and Eric's Westgate lineage. Other lineages like Aglarond, Dambrath, and Silverymoon existed but had never been cobbled together in that form. I'd done the Velprin one when I had formalised Impiltur so that one was "waiting in the wings" as it were. The only ones created specifically for that book (and done in a mad rush I might add) were Narfell and Raumathar. If I'd had more time, I'd have done Sossal, Illusk/Luskan, Damara and likely the Netherese survivor states. Calimshan is doable - and I have a rough outline for it - but would be by far the biggest of them all and wouldn't have been done for that product no matter the lead time!

So, in a long-winded way, the anser is: no, there haven't been lineages formalised for Damara and Sossal. That's not to say I don't have any ideas for these, but I'm inclined to devote my (always short) leisure time to other projects.

Sounds like a good opportunity for someone here at the Keep to come up with something.

-- George Krashos




ok two things

1) using the novel Shield of Weeping Ghosts i think the Crell bloodline is now found in the current Creel tribe of Narfell, are there any other canon tribal blood connections to the Orgolath or Darakh dynasties?

2) i'd be inclined to try the Damaran line because I know that Damara wasn't in Ed's original Realms so i couldn't really bork that up too bad - what are the established dates of Damara's statehood?

it says in 1038 the glacier receded and folk migrated back ... then nothing til Virdin Bloodfeathers gets axed by the Witch-king, but when (if ever) was the time of the original kingdom ... in the various 3e sourcebooks Damaran language and melting pots are all too old to be from 1038 onward

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I would only offer that the modern "English" of the United States is VASTLY different than even 200 years ago.

So, even if folks hadn't fully settled (re-settled?) Damara by 1138...a full hundred years; that would still have left over 200 years to "melt" together whatever language and races you like.

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well actually i was referring to the references that some kingdoms/states are descended from Damaran peoples and/or some languages descended from Damaran languuages and these states and languages are older than the glacier recession so i was thinking (assuming) that there must have been a Damara before AND after the glacier advance and recession

or i could have it all wrong and misremembered

i'll have to do some study

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George Krashos
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I'd always thought that the name of the region had been Damara for a long time before the founding of the realm of Damara in more modern times. It's a bit like the modern nation state of Israel forming in a region where that name had been previously applied to it, but not for centuries.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene
<snip>
Took me a while (mainly since I wrestled with what you presented me with as an answer/rebuttal for so long) to get to this one. Scribes will start seeing citations of "So saith George Krashos" in the 'Realmspeak' glossary and can thus reflect on whether they wish to use those terms or phrases themselves (just as I have) in the same manner.



Sorry Kyrene, I wasn't trying to be cute with this but I have never considered my musings (as opposed to my published writing) to have the gravitas and 'realmslore imprimatur' of similar work by Eric Boyd, Steven Schend, Brian R James and the fabulous writers who frequent the place such as Erik Scott De Bie. That's not false modesty at work, but simply an acknowledgement that "my way" isn't necessarily the "right" or "best" way regarding thoughts on the Realms. It's a big sandbox and as the years have gone on, it's nice to see other people get a go. That's not to say I still can't build a few sandcastles here and there, but my time at the beach is limited.

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Well, I thought Damara was a Celtic goddess...

Or a Namibian tribe...

But hey, Damara is actually one of my favorite kingdoms...I always thought it would go somewhere after the defeat of the Witch King. Maybe some sort of unity with Impultir to found a mighty Empire to threaten Thay...

Well, I can dream...

Now how about details on those tomes Krash!

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quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

Well, I thought Damara was a Celtic goddess...

Or a Namibian tribe...

But hey, Damara is actually one of my favorite kingdoms...I always thought it would go somewhere after the defeat of the Witch King. Maybe some sort of unity with Impultir to found a mighty Empire to threaten Thay...

Well, I can dream...

Now how about details on those tomes Krash!



I came up with some good stuff while I was at work today. Give me a day or so and I'll give you Ordu's Amazar in all its glory.

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