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Wenin
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 :  03:30:36  Show Profile Send Wenin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, I'm willing to try and pretty it up if you like. If you could send me the original Word Doc you made the PDF from. I'll see what I can do.

If you're interested, send me a PM and we can exchange email addresses.

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 :  03:35:12  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Will do...right now!

EDIT:

Never heard back from Wenin...anyone else interested in the document?

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Edited by - Dalor Darden on 20 May 2012 02:04:02
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Markustay
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Posted - 05 Dec 2012 :  04:50:06  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just realized I never got a new copy (the old one went bye-bye with everything else). You can send one off to me.

Thanks - Mark

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 05 Dec 2012 :  14:27:31  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I just realized I never got a new copy (the old one went bye-bye with everything else). You can send one off to me.

Thanks - Mark



I put the link in the first post.

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Xal Valzar
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Argentina
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Posted - 05 Nov 2014 :  22:06:39  Show Profile Send Xal Valzar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
it just accord to me that the easiest way to defeat them is to find a way to inspire a male uprising, inspire a crusade agianst all the males, convince most of the males to leave, or sterilize the population somehow. How did pirates not think of that approach?

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 06 Nov 2014 :  01:18:31  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xal Valzar

it just accord to me that the easiest way to defeat them is to find a way to inspire a male uprising, inspire a crusade agianst all the males, convince most of the males to leave, or sterilize the population somehow. How did pirates not think of that approach?



The same reason nobody did it for females in a male dominated society. If you would like, you can ask Ed and others; they created the She-Wolves and Ixinos.

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Xal Valzar
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Argentina
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Posted - 06 Nov 2014 :  03:19:08  Show Profile Send Xal Valzar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
yeah but males are naturally dominant, i mean u cant really have a women raping a man (without some medical intervention). i mean males just saying "the hell with this" should come naturally. ehhhh

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 06 Nov 2014 :  03:53:18  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xal Valzar

yeah but males are naturally dominant, i mean u cant really have a women raping a man (without some medical intervention). i mean males just saying "the hell with this" should come naturally. ehhhh



Males are naturally dominant eh? I'd have to dispute that at almost every single point.

As a husband and father, I'd have to say I've NEVER felt dominant in my life! lol

As for the Forgotten Realms, it surely isn't so! Some of the greatest powers in the Forgotten Realms are female.

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Xal Valzar
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Argentina
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Posted - 06 Nov 2014 :  04:41:11  Show Profile Send Xal Valzar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
well how many female dominant societies can you name in real life?

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 06 Nov 2014 :  05:01:16  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xal Valzar

well how many female dominant societies can you name in real life?



I usually don't talk real world all that much; but you asked:

Elamites, Sitones, Mosuo, Vietnam prior to Chinese intervention, Padaungs, Kayaw, Hopi, Haudenosaunee, ancient Crete, early Brittonic society, and more...most Matriarchal societies in the world were only forced out via the intervention of militant male dominated societies. These cultural societies were usually due to the Christian West (with early pushes by the Christian dominated Roman and then Frankish Empires alongside the male dominated Islamic Caliphate).

My favorite quote from Ancient Greece is actually from Gorgo, Queen of Sparta, who responded to a question from a woman in Attica along the lines of, "why Spartan women were the only women in the world who could rule men?" Gorgo replied, "because we are the only women who are mothers of men".

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Markustay
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Posted - 06 Nov 2014 :  14:26:50  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've only just learned - from reading through Ed's old threads - that there is a group of 'amazons' in the King's Forest.

Not 'real' Amazons - just a 'tribe' of warrior-women who have a chip on their shoulder.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 06 Nov 2014 14:49:08
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Diffan
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Posted - 06 Nov 2014 :  21:03:38  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

quote:
Originally posted by Xal Valzar

well how many female dominant societies can you name in real life?



I usually don't talk real world all that much; but you asked:

Elamites, Sitones, Mosuo, Vietnam prior to Chinese intervention, Padaungs, Kayaw, Hopi, Haudenosaunee, ancient Crete, early Brittonic society, and more...most Matriarchal societies in the world were only forced out via the intervention of militant male dominated societies. These cultural societies were usually due to the Christian West (with early pushes by the Christian dominated Roman and then Frankish Empires alongside the male dominated Islamic Caliphate).

My favorite quote from Ancient Greece is actually from Gorgo, Queen of Sparta, who responded to a question from a woman in Attica along the lines of, "why Spartan women were the only women in the world who could rule men?" Gorgo replied, "because we are the only women who are mothers of men".



Man I love ancient Sparta. Defiant to the last. While reading a bit about it on Wikipedia I came across this factoid:

- Even during its decline, Sparta never forgot its claim to be the "defender of Hellenism" and its Laconic wit. An anecdote has it that when Philip II sent a message to Sparta saying "If I enter Laconia, I will raze Sparta", the Spartans responded with the single, terse reply:"if"

that's hilarious.

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Edited by - Diffan on 06 Nov 2014 21:04:23
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 14 Mar 2019 :  23:34:14  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Edited first post is why this is showing up as "new post"

But yes, the Spartans kicked more ass in their time than almost anyone in history per individual ass kicker.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 15 Mar 2019 :  05:19:08  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They were badass, but few in number and more concerned about preventing slave revolts than fighting other Greek city-states and the Persians - at least at first.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Zeromaru X
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Colombia
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Posted - 15 Mar 2019 :  07:43:57  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Didn't the Spartans claimed to be Heraclidae? I remember reading somewhere that Leonidas I (the one that became famous thanks to 300) claimed to be a descendant of Heracles. I guess that explains why they were depicted as so baddass.

Long ago, in the distant past, they fell into decay. The philosopher’s path... The river of glory... Even the saints resting in the darkness rise up without response and block the way...
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sleyvas
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Posted - 15 Mar 2019 :  11:19:27  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Diffan


Man I love ancient Sparta. Defiant to the last. While reading a bit about it on Wikipedia I came across this factoid:

- Even during its decline, Sparta never forgot its claim to be the "defender of Hellenism" and its Laconic wit. An anecdote has it that when Philip II sent a message to Sparta saying "If I enter Laconia, I will raze Sparta", the Spartans responded with the single, terse reply:"if"

that's hilarious.



That is THE perfect reply.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 15 Mar 2019 :  11:20:06  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Diffan


Man I love ancient Sparta. Defiant to the last. While reading a bit about it on Wikipedia I came across this factoid:

- Even during its decline, Sparta never forgot its claim to be the "defender of Hellenism" and its Laconic wit. An anecdote has it that when Philip II sent a message to Sparta saying "If I enter Laconia, I will raze Sparta", the Spartans responded with the single, terse reply:"if"

that's hilarious.



That is THE perfect reply.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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Delnyn
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Posted - 20 Mar 2019 :  00:20:33  Show Profile Send Delnyn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by Diffan


Man I love ancient Sparta. Defiant to the last. While reading a bit about it on Wikipedia I came across this factoid:

- Even during its decline, Sparta never forgot its claim to be the "defender of Hellenism" and its Laconic wit. An anecdote has it that when Philip II sent a message to Sparta saying "If I enter Laconia, I will raze Sparta", the Spartans responded with the single, terse reply:"if"

that's hilarious.



That is THE perfect reply.


Once the Persian emperor threated to send so many archers to Sparta their arrows would blot out the sun. The reply was "We can fight in the shade."
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Markustay
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Posted - 20 Mar 2019 :  14:54:42  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As for Ixinos, I plan to eventually take a second (third?) look at this project, and update the map in my newer style (and reduce the size to better fit with canon). I'd also like to expand upon the material - more of a 'Heroines of the Realms' style book, with other groups mentioned (there are at least two other small groups of 'amazons' in canon). I truly believe the Forgotten Realms was once a great place for good strong female characters, not wishy-washy Mary-Sues. I feel the current political climate is being disingenuous, and I'd like to take a crack at a more realistic - and flattering - approach to such characters.

quote:
Originally posted by Delnyn

Once the Persian emperor threated to send so many archers to Sparta their arrows would blot out the sun. The reply was "We can fight in the shade."
Historians often took this as allegory, and then about 20 years ago or so they discovered the site of an ancient battle, wherein there was a layer of arrows several feet deep... one that could have easily 'blotted out the sun'.

Not everything in legend is a myth.

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 20 Mar 2019 :  15:56:30  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Ixinosan women follow the Spartan training ways with Amazonian feel added in...essentially I re-skinned Spartans.

At a maximum muster of about 6,000 to 9,000 warriors; they are pretty damned dangerous if messed with.

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Edited by - Dalor Darden on 20 Mar 2019 15:57:22
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 20 Mar 2019 :  16:08:23  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

As for Ixinos, I plan to eventually take a second (third?) look at this project, and update the map in my newer style (and reduce the size to better fit with canon).



What size should it have been? I thought we got it right.

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Markustay
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Posted - 23 Mar 2019 :  22:50:50  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Naw, I accidentally doubled the size (maybe even a tad more), and then when I realized by how much (I only meant to make it a little bigger), I just said screw it, and kept it that size (and then continued to keep it that size on all future maps I did that showed that region).

Of course, it might just be easier to say there is some sort of protective effect surrounding the island, bending light/whatever, that makes it appear smaller and less conspicuous (to keep folks from investigating it further - something designed to make most people - men in particular - just 'overlook it' and keep going). That would explain the differences in size. Or even something like 'its 'out of phase' (stealing fro 4e LOL) with the real (FR) world, so its 'bigger on the inside' kind of thing.

I think I'll call it the Solar Juxtapostion Wall (created by some ancient female sun deity, like A'tar), to hide the women and make them feel safe.

Or just the 'SJW effect' for short.

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Edited by - Markustay on 23 Mar 2019 22:52:17
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