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Garen Thal
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Posted - 19 Jan 2012 :  18:05:48  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So, with two meaty articles out, and another one on the way, no one has any questions for me? I am shocked, I tell you. Truly!
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

So, with two meaty articles out, and another one on the way, no one has any questions for me? I am shocked, I tell you. Truly!



Any chance I can read those without a paying subscription?

There's a question for ye, smarty. Not the type you wanted, eh?

Steven
who can see the smirk on Brian's face and hear the mirthless chuckle as he plans a suitable revenge.....

For current projects and general natter, see www.steveneschend.com
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Bakra
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1) Who are you? *rimshot please*

2) It’s been two decades since anyone has tried to ‘tame’ the Stonelands. Who or what organization was the last to try it?

3) What is the name of the baroness in the picture?

I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 19 Jan 2012 :  19:36:55  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
Any chance I can read those without a paying subscription?

Yes, but not legally.

Now ware you, sir. Revenge will be coming.
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 19 Jan 2012 :  19:57:43  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bakra
1) Who are you? *rimshot please*
I'm *that guy*.
quote:
2) It’s been two decades since anyone has tried to ‘tame’ the Stonelands. Who or what organization was the last to try it?
The last serious attempt mounted on the Stonelands was by Cibran Truesilver, who--childless and in his fifties--gathered a group of loyal retainers to try and carve out a small outpost that the Crown could later use. He had minor success, but when the first wagons of builders came to assess the site he had chosen, they found his retinue dead, his body torn asunder days before, with their crude wooden barricades untouched by whatever creature slew them.
quote:
3) What is the name of the baroness in the picture?
That is (up until the moment that crown hits her head) Lady Knight Eydris Summersword, being invested as Baroness Extraordinary of Battlerise by King Azoun V in the Year of the Silent Flute (1437 DR) for her service in the war against Netherese Sembia.
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Jakk
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Posted - 20 Jan 2012 :  06:04:04  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

Any chance I can read those without a paying subscription?

There's a question for ye, smarty. Not the type you wanted, eh?

Steven
who can see the smirk on Brian's face and hear the mirthless chuckle as he plans a suitable revenge.....



Steven... even *I* bought a one-month subscription to read these articles... and I had been one of the staunchest naysayers to DDI since it began, largely because I still miss the physical magazines... and it may very well be the only month I subscribe to, unless we can convince WotC to publish the Cormyr Lineage... my 2 cents has been put in there, by the way, Brian.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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Bakra
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Garen,

Am I understanding your article correctly about extraordinary titles?
Does Baroness Summersword have a little extra something in her blood?

I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Eilserus
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Posted - 20 Jan 2012 :  23:27:52  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Garen,

Do the drow of Sschindylryn have any trade connections, surface outposts, or activity in the lands of Cormyr? And what happened with the Haunted Halls of Eveningstar being sealed by crown order? In the old grey box campaign guide there was a bit about a sage of Cormyr who discovered why the dwarves disappeared from those halls. I don't recall ever finding anything else about it or any follow up being done on this place other than the 2E adventure Haunted Halls of Eveningstar. I always liked that dungeon, I just wish there was more information on it and of dwarves of the Storm Horns in general.

Thank you.
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 20 Jan 2012 :  23:33:25  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bakra

Garen,

Am I understanding your article correctly about extraordinary titles?
Does Baroness Summersword have a little extra something in her blood?
An extraordinary title is one which doesn't get passed on to heirs. This mechanism is used for a number of different reasons--one of which is to award nonhumans (in particular, those of elven blood who may or may not have shared that heritage with folk other than the Crown). It's not the case that all or even most extraordianary nobles have nonhuman blood. Sometimes, the Crown wants to reward single acts of bravery with knighthood, or the act of a brave or loyal knight with a higher rank, without passing that rank to her offspring.

Crown records give no indication that Lady Summersword was anything other than human. Many noble families, however, do have a drop or two of elven blood in their lineages, and (depending on family tradition and current trends at Court) reveal or tout those rumors when necessary.

If Lady Knight Eydris was (for instance) half-elven, it's more likely that she would have been made a baroness extraordinary rather than being given a heritable title, but it's not the case that having an extraordinary title is only for nonhumans.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author

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Posted - 20 Jan 2012 :  23:45:49  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thy work has earned thee great honor for accuracy and skill. I praise you, sir!

But I have a question, Sir Garen--wilt thou not come to mine aid in yon Realmslore thread?

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16105

Forsooth!

Cheers

Erik Scott de Bie

'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

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Also check out my Realms work, most recently Shadowbane: Eye of Justice, out now on e-readers everywhere! (Kindle, Nook)
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 :  00:26:36  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus

Hi Garen,

And what happened with the Haunted Halls of Eveningstar being sealed by crown order? In the old grey box campaign guide there was a bit about a sage of Cormyr who discovered why the dwarves disappeared from those halls. I don't recall ever finding anything else about it or any follow up being done on this place other than the 2E adventure Haunted Halls of Eveningstar. I always liked that dungeon



Eric L Boyd posted this originally to the Realms mailing list a few years ago. I will follow up with a post from George Krashos next

Cheers

Damian
**************************************

Mellomir discovered a spell scroll for controlling deepspawn (essentially for
anchoring them to a spot, and commanding them who NOT to attack---i.e. the
caster and friends--not a means of riding them or anything of the sort), plus
some deepspawn that the spell had been used on, plus some other magic, plus
the gate the deepspawn were guarding.
Everything (deepspawn, too, in War Wizard-guarded covered wagons) was taken
to High Horn because the War Wizards wanted to detain Mellomir and question
him closely about what he knew or had learned that he might NOT have told
them about (nothing as it happened; he's a good and honest man), and do so
out of the public eye, in a fortress entirely controlled by the
Crown---whereas doing everything in oft-rebellious Arabel is doing it in
front of literally dozens of spies (for the Zhents, the Cult of the Dragon,
Hillsfar, many Sembian merchant cabals, several Dales, etc.).
In the 'home' Realms campaign, Mellomir was given a knighthood with some coin
and land to buy his silence about this matter, and allowed to go free with
the spell (after the War Wizards had made their copies) and with one
deepspawn, which disgorged herd animals that he happily sold, and dined upon,
retiring to a cottage west of Sembia. When Vangerdahast sent certain mages to
question him later (in a friendly manner, and about other things) they found
him gone...but be aware that Mellomir maintains residences in Waterdeep,
Secomber, Neverwinter, and Sembia as well as Cormyr, and has been seen hale
and hearty since.

===

ERIC'S COMMENT

They above-mentioned gate is apparently within the Haunted Halls. Therefore
it is probably NOT part of the webwork of two-way gates mentioned in Volo's
Guide to Waterdeep, p. 149, in the discussion of the Old Monster Shop, one
terminus of which is said to connect with a ravine in the Stonelands north of
Cormyr near the Haunted Halls.

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
Candlekeep Forum 7 May 2005
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 :  00:27:19  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Answer part II from George Krashos

Cheers

Damian

*********************

Originally Posted by George Krashos at candlekeep
Well here's the low down on the "spellplague" before it even was the "spellplague" from Ed himself. Given that the 100 year jump and the Abeir returning thingies are now in the public domain, this post isn't spoiling anything and I thought that the wider forum community might appreciate the insight.

There are actually THREE references, all of which will
really only be understandable "after the fact." One of
them is the "Smashed the black star" curiosity that
several scribes have been so fascinated by, and
another is a CYCLOPEDIA heading (yes, just the
heading). [Ed was referring to the "Abeir-Toril" heading]

The third, "main" reference is on page 40 of the DM'S
SOURCEBOOK, referring to Mellomir's claim of finding
an "ancient" and "magical" treasure in the vicinity of
the Haunted Halls. The dwarves vanishing over the
years were fleeing the Realms through gates (portals,
linking to other worlds / alternate Prime Material
Planes) that are not in the Haunted Halls, but can be
reached through the Halls (I think the maps I gave you
at GenCon included the "Whisper's Crypt" level, yes?).
The dwarves were departing to avoid the coming
Spellplague, and the monsters and adventurers
vanishing into and emerging from the Halls were also
using the gates.

The original text of this entry had Mellomir referring
to an unspecified "message of fire."

The original turnover of FR1 THE HAUNTED HALLS OF
EVENINGSTAR included a magical "message" formed by
flames dancing in midair that briefly appeared to
anyone entering the many-pillared room of Encounter
31, that said this: "A great storm of magic is coming,
that will twist or maim many. Beware the Black Star."
It was edited out because the TSR designers of the day
thought it too substantial to print without providing
something of an explanation (that there was no
wordcount left in the module to provide, and that
would open a can of worms they wanted to avoid). This
same message appears in front of the gates used the
dwarves, monsters, and adventurers, whenever they are
approached from the "Realms" side.

So there you have it. Too mangled and chopped-down for
anyone studying the Old Grey Box to recognize without
this explanation. Sorry. I DID warn everyone it would
be nigh-impossible to spot, beforehand.

By the way, there's something else in FR0 tied to
this: Sabirine's Specular. A Spell Engine provides a
tiny "shelter" from Spellplague effects around itself,
and Sabirine chose to die rather than embrace lichdom
because she didn't want to endure years of undeath
only to be swept away in the Spellplague, or twisted
and maimed and left in a world ravaged by the
Spellplague.

The Spellplague term isn't mine (I called it "the
Doom," or "the Coming of the Black Star" or "THE
Spellstorm"), and I always intended this to be a
mythical always-in-the-future bogey-tale.

There you have it.

-- George Krashos

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
Candlekeep Forum 7 May 2005
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 :  01:54:06  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus
Do the drow of Sschindylryn have any trade connections, surface outposts, or activity in the lands of Cormyr?
The drow of Sschindylryn have some connections to Cormyr, but (given that the waterway connecting the King's Forest to Daerbraun includes a sheer drop) it's more of an import thing than direct trade. Agents of the drow city, by means of convoulted, many-staged trading, pay Cormyrean merchants--in particular, a few merchant and noble houses that know full well where their goods are going, and don't care, because the coin is very good--to trade items down into Sschindylryn.

In particular, Sschindylryn drow appreciate Cormyrean wines and ciders (because they can't grow the necessary fruits) and certain meats (deep rothé being tiresome after a while).
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 :  02:04:16  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus
And what happened with the Haunted Halls of Eveningstar being sealed by crown order? In the old grey box campaign guide there was a bit about a sage of Cormyr who discovered why the dwarves disappeared from those halls. I don't recall ever finding anything else about it or any follow up being done on this place other than the 2E adventure Haunted Halls of Eveningstar. I always liked that dungeon, I just wish there was more information on it and of dwarves of the Storm Horns in general.
Crazedventurers' excellent research notwithstanding, the closure of the Haunted Halls wasn't related to the disappearance of the dwarves of the area, or the Zhentarim, or anything else. The Crown closed access to the Halls because there were reports that the Halls--all levels and known passages--were completely cleared by an adventuring company. That company then was killed (on an unrelated adventure), and at least a dozen different adventuring bands were killed in the mad dash to try and claim the Halls by some unknown and unnamed threat inside the Halls.

As for the what (or who), and whether that danger still lurks within the Haunted Halls, well, that's not for me to say just now.
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Eilserus
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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 :  02:50:13  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus
Do the drow of Sschindylryn have any trade connections, surface outposts, or activity in the lands of Cormyr?
The drow of Sschindylryn have some connections to Cormyr, but (given that the waterway connecting the King's Forest to Daerbraun includes a sheer drop) it's more of an import thing than direct trade. Agents of the drow city, by means of convoulted, many-staged trading, pay Cormyrean merchants--in particular, a few merchant and noble houses that know full well where their goods are going, and don't care, because the coin is very good--to trade items down into Sschindylryn.

In particular, Sschindylryn drow appreciate Cormyrean wines and ciders (because they can't grow the necessary fruits) and certain meats (deep rothé being tiresome after a while).



Interesting. I'm getting the impression that sealed and drop resistant cargoes are dumped into Lake Thalmiir and somehow channeled down (natural current?) to the Daerbraun and probably fished out of the waters from there by the drow. An efficient way to import goods to the underdark, unless a large portion of it is smashed or lost in the process.
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 :  03:13:40  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus
Interesting. I'm getting the impression that sealed and drop resistant cargoes are dumped into Lake Thalmiir and somehow channeled down (natural current?) to the Daerbraun and probably fished out of the waters from there by the drow. An efficient way to import goods to the underdark, unless a large portion of it is smashed or lost in the process.
Indeed. There are other, less savory means of 'export' that are used. One involves the use of animal (and spy) carcasses, which are surprisingly bouyant and excellent for transporting small, very expensive items.
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Eilserus
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I was also curious about the ruins of Tilverton. Prior to its destruction, Tilver's Palace supposedly had beholders or spherical, many-eyed beings floating in its depths. Is there anything you can tell us about this ruin? Ed's recent Xraunrarr article and that previous snippet from Volo's Guide to Cormyr makes me think this dungeon might connect to the Realms Below. I was toying with creating an adventure where PC's come up from below into the Tilver's Palace dungeons and perhaps the sewers if there are any. The deluge of shadowstuff that sunk most the city seemed almost like a gaseous type disintegrate spell. Has it dissipated to actually explore the ruins or would players or creatures just melt into the shadowstuff?
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Jakk
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quote:
Originally posted by crazedventurers

Answer part II from George Krashos

Cheers

Damian

*********************

Originally Posted by George Krashos at candlekeep
Well here's the low down on the "spellplague" before it even was the "spellplague" from Ed himself. Given that the 100 year jump and the Abeir returning thingies are now in the public domain, this post isn't spoiling anything and I thought that the wider forum community might appreciate the insight.

There are actually THREE references, all of which will
really only be understandable "after the fact." One of
them is the "Smashed the black star" curiosity that
several scribes have been so fascinated by, and
another is a CYCLOPEDIA heading (yes, just the
heading). [Ed was referring to the "Abeir-Toril" heading]

<chop>
-- George Krashos



So... what does the black star have to do with the Spellplague? That's what's been mystifying me ever since I saw the original post, back in the early days of 4E. It can't possibly refer to Cyric's "Black Sun" epithet, since the ToT hadn't yet happened, and Cyric didn't get smashed... I mean, he should have been run through by Kelemvor during the ToT, but that's my opinion. And further, what does Dove (Falconhand, I assume) have to do with it? She is the only one of the Seven whose fate is left COMPLETELY mysterious after the Spellplague, at least from the material I've read.

Edit: The whole bit about "Smashed the black star" has always been utterly mysterious and intriguing to me, and has never been explained to my satisfaction. Mind you, a lot of things meet those criteria... like those red pyramids in the ruins of Ascore from FR5, The Savage Frontier...

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 23 Jan 2012 04:08:13
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 :  00:14:28  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
To Clarify about the Black Star

These are all Ed's words:

The original turnover of FR1 THE HAUNTED HALLS OF
EVENINGSTAR included a magical "message" formed by
flames dancing in midair that briefly appeared to
anyone entering the many-pillared room of Encounter
31, that said this: "A great storm of magic is coming,
that will twist or maim many. Beware the Black Star."

(The piece above was cut from the 32 pg module due to lack of space)


The Spellplague term isn't mine (I called it "the
Doom," or "the Coming of the Black Star" or "THE
Spellstorm"), and I always intended this to be a
mythical always-in-the-future bogey-tale.



From the old grey box set, there was a piece of clack that said

Marchayn of Archendale, the feared 'Mad Witch' of the Thunder Peaks, has been found in her citadel, mindless and drooling, amidst chaos. All about her tower lay the dead bodies of the orcs (and worse) that served her,and much of her tower is now a fireblackened shell. The herdsman who found her reported to merchants of Arabel that Marchayn (who soon died and whose body was burned by the herdsman) repeated endlessly, Dove! Dove! Smashed the black star . . . Dove


This piece of clack and Ed's post above is the link that George mentions in his post



My thoughts below:

I suspect that Cyric's symbol is just a happy coincidence to this as his rise came a lot later (c.1989 or so) than what was written by Ed for his players when they started the Haunted Halls (c.1981 or so). Of course it is possible that the 2E Realms designers spoke to Ed at length about symbols for the new gods and that they knew about the 'Black Star prophecy' and decided to put it in for fun/just in case.


There was one more piece of clack from the OGBS that featured 'later' in the timeline than the Dove entry

The Nentyarch, ruler of vast lands east and north of Impiltur, has sent agents into the Realms, seeking black gems for some unknown magical or religious use.

Now this one is an interesting one for me

Hope that clears everything up?

Cheers

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Jakk
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Sorry, Damian... I've read all of that before, and none of it explains the last words of Marchayn to my satisfaction. Hopefully this isn't still under NDA... but knowing WotC, it probably is.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 :  05:27:10  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk

Sorry, Damian... I've read all of that before, and none of it explains the last words of Marchayn to my satisfaction. Hopefully this isn't still under NDA... but knowing WotC, it probably is.

Jakk, please remember that not everything uttered in-character makes sense to anyone but the speaker--and that, in this case, the speaker was already reduced to something babbling and mad.

It could mean that Marchayn thought she had prevented this great, unknowable, future-calamity (which Ed intentionally never plotted out, just as he never gave stats to Larloch... some things are meant to be undecided for later), or that she was talking about something else entirely. Perhaps she was speaking to Dove Silverhand (/Falconhand), or some other Dove, or...

That is to say, not everything can be explained to your satisfaction, because some threads are meant to be open-ended, undefined nuggets for DMs and writers and designers and fiction authors to run with.

However,

if you're asking my opnion, I'd say the Coming of the Black Star could have been a half-prophecy of the coming of Cyric (who did, in fact, cause the Spellplague, by murdering Mystra). Marchayn thought she had delayed or denied this great danger, but (of course) failed. Whether she failed to properly understand what was coming, or simply did not succeed in her task, is a matter of conjecture.
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Jakk
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I like your take on it, Brian... and yes, I'm aware that not everything is explained, whether the explanation is published or not... I'd just like explanations that do exist to get published a little faster... as I'm sure we all would. No, I won't mention that document, but those thirteen red pyramids in Ascore have been tickling my brain ever since I first read The Savage Frontier and, while I've come up with a few theories (all of which can be found somewhere in the scrolls here), I've never been happy with any of them. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to respond to that little post of mine.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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althen artren
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Well, sir. I'm stuck in developing more adventure ideas
for Myth Drannor. Do you have anything you can share?
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Garen Thal
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quote:
Originally posted by althen artren

Well, sir. I'm stuck in developing more adventure ideas for Myth Drannor. Do you have anything you can share?
Perhaps. What year are you hoping to venture there?
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Originally posted by Eilserus

I was also curious about the ruins of Tilverton. Prior to its destruction, Tilver's Palace supposedly had beholders or spherical, many-eyed beings floating in its depths. Is there anything you can tell us about this ruin? Ed's recent Xraunrarr article and that previous snippet from Volo's Guide to Cormyr makes me think this dungeon might connect to the Realms Below. I was toying with creating an adventure where PC's come up from below into the Tilver's Palace dungeons and perhaps the sewers if there are any. The deluge of shadowstuff that sunk most the city seemed almost like a gaseous type disintegrate spell. Has it dissipated to actually explore the ruins or would players or creatures just melt into the shadowstuff?
I'm going to beg off on the "what's happening now" question, in part because I don't want to step on the official answers.

As for the connection to the Underdark: it's certainly possible. Definitely, there are caverns beneath Tilverton, but whether they connect to the greater Underdark--and do so in a manner that allows for two-way travel--is a matter for individual DMs and campaigns to develop. At least, for now it is.
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