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Eye of Horus-Re
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Posted - 23 Apr 2009 :  20:12:19  Show Profile  Visit Eye of Horus-Re's Homepage Send Eye of Horus-Re a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I most certainly voted no. I love my Realms the way it is, thank you very much. With Elminsters and Blackstaves and 7 Sisters and MAGIC MISSLES THAT CANT MISS!!!!! Ok Im done now. :) As for the 4e players. Have fun with it if thats what you like, but I love my FR the way it is. To much work from too many people (Most especially Ed) to just say "Thanks, but all that is worthless now"

Long live 1384 and that which came before....!!!
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Jorkens
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Posted - 23 Apr 2009 :  20:19:20  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No surprises here as I never left the TSR era. I wouldn't DM' it, but then again I couldn't have handled the canon 3ed. Realms either. On the other hand, if I, for some strange reason, should end up as a player and the campaign wanted to use the 4ed. Realms, I wouldn't have any problems with participating. I would be as curious as to how the world was presented by the DM as I would by any other new world.
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edappel
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Brazil
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Posted - 23 Apr 2009 :  21:21:54  Show Profile  Click to see edappel's MSN Messenger address Send edappel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think everybody should experience it. And then, later take opinions.

(Now I can say that I think 3rd edition realm is better... Even so, 4e realm is very good.)

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*** I'm a brazilian FR fan. So, feel free to correct my writing mistakes to improve my english.
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swifty
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Posted - 23 Apr 2009 :  21:37:59  Show Profile  Visit swifty's Homepage Send swifty a Private Message  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan

The Shadovar have undergone some changes by becoming Shades and switching their alignment to Shar. The Empire of Netheril of old was neutral in its outlook, I think, and not bound to a single (evil) goddess. On the contrary, Halruaa has every right to claim being the true Empire of Netheril, resembling it much closer than the one (two) city state of New Netheril.
[/quoteare they the same as the shadevari from curse of the shadowmage.according to powers and pantheons they were the 13 lords of shadow and existed before the gods.

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Kuje
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Posted - 23 Apr 2009 :  21:44:35  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by swifty

[are they the same as the shadevari from curse of the shadowmage.according to powers and pantheons they were the 13 lords of shadow and existed before the gods.



Nope, those are different. :) Shade is from the Netheril enclave of Shade. Shadevari were from the fight between Shar and Selune, if not earlier.

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Tyr
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Posted - 23 Apr 2009 :  22:10:44  Show Profile  Visit Tyr's Homepage Send Tyr a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It could be that they took up the name when they converted to Shar.
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Kuje
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Posted - 23 Apr 2009 :  23:14:37  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tyr

It could be that they took up the name when they converted to Shar.



Nope, since they are two completely different things, as I said. :)

Plus, Caledan Caldorien has nothing to do with the Shade Enclave and he, at one point, became the new Shadowking of the Shadevari, which took place ten years or so before the Shade Enclave returned to Faerun.

Rereading the history of the Shadowking, it was created by a artifact and formed it's own empire, which was then destroyed. During one battle with yuan-ti, the Shadowking's armies and the yuan-ti's armies created the Fields of the Dead.

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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Edited by - Kuje on 23 Apr 2009 23:32:06
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Tyr
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Posted - 24 Apr 2009 :  08:58:40  Show Profile  Visit Tyr's Homepage Send Tyr a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, but just because you're different doesn't mean you can't use the name yourself.

Like the Sith in starwars, like Darth Vader, have nothing to do with true sith, but they took up the name anyway.
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Kuje
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Posted - 24 Apr 2009 :  09:36:54  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tyr

Yes, but just because you're different doesn't mean you can't use the name yourself.

Like the Sith in starwars, like Darth Vader, have nothing to do with true sith, but they took up the name anyway.



Sure, if you want it in your own setting. There's no canon material though. So nope, they don't have any relation to each other.

If you find canon lore to convince me, then I'll agree with you but there isn't any. And that was what swifty was asking and thus the answer is no, there is NO connection with Shade.

I'm really not sure why this continues to be a debate. The Shadevari are a race of beings that are iron-gray lizard scaled, horned, barbed, and clawed and they serve the Shadowking. The Shadovar are the citizens of the Shade Enclave. Neither have any relation to the other.

SIGH.

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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Edited by - Kuje on 24 Apr 2009 10:10:05
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Kyrene
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Posted - 24 Apr 2009 :  13:31:03  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How about never? Is never a good and long enough time? I would rather the Year of Blue Fire destroy Toril and all in and on it than... Well, I guess you get where I'm going here. *sigh*

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Bladewind
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Netherlands
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Posted - 27 Apr 2009 :  13:12:44  Show Profile Send Bladewind a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I can't suppress the sense of curiosity I get when pondering the 15th century Realms. I will definately think a couple of good reads set in post spellplague fearun will spark my interest in actually playing there even further.

Good times are ahead with evocative authors such as Cordell, Kemp, Scott-De Bie and others on board!

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RedneckBadgerLord
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Posted - 04 May 2009 :  10:28:31  Show Profile  Visit RedneckBadgerLord's Homepage Send RedneckBadgerLord a Private Message  Reply with Quote
4E is a travesty all around, folks. I'm in the process of writing an alternate future (as are many people these days) in which Mystra is wounded, but not killed.

No I do not like Spellplague, but stopping it is a good plot-device for PCs.

Redwall. Drizzt. Kentucky. Enough said.

I was weaned on 2E Baldur's Gate. Learned 3.5E, and can't stand 4E WoF. (Though I try not to mess up canon too badly).
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Mace Hammerhand
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Germany
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Posted - 04 May 2009 :  15:13:27  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Read my LJ and my RANTs and you can guess why I voted no... not that there ever was any doubt

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Korginard
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Posted - 04 May 2009 :  19:18:07  Show Profile  Visit Korginard's Homepage Send Korginard a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Essentaily, 4th Edition is just a collection of ideas as far as I'm concerned. Some good, some bad. While I've seen nothing (especially the state of 4th edition realms) that I would use exclusively, I do like some of the ideas that came with 4th edition. All in all I'd stick with 3rd Edition rules and use 4th edition strictly for new ideas and ways of looking at things.
The new cosmology for one. I think the Elemental Chaos/Astral Sea works better than the old wheel cosmology. I like the Feywild and Shadowfell and feel they can fit into the "Old Realms" without much problem.
As far as the 4th Edition Realms? My feeling is too much lost for too little gained. Lots of great real estate like Mulhorand, Unther, and Halruua lost for no good reason.
I also liked the Gods as they were, no pruning needed. No Exarchs, no Spellplauge to kill a bunch of them off.
I like some of the ideas of Returned Abeir, but I see no reason to loose Maztica and associated lands by dropping a new continent on top of it. Since I've always liked the idea of Spelljammer I'd probably just put a planet called Abeir in the same orbit as Toril, or perhaps use the ideas I like to fill in the "unknown" areas of Toril.
So no to using 4th Edition and it's version of the Realms in it's entirity, but there are ideas here and there that can be used.
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bolf66
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Posted - 05 May 2009 :  00:29:00  Show Profile  Visit bolf66's Homepage Send bolf66 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
yes. and here's why I only do novels for now but I love the realms as much anybody but I know something that some are forgetting. who created this wonderful world we all know and enjoy that's right ED as much much as we care for this beautiful world of ours remember dady ED is still around and I'm possitve he's not gonna let his baby get corupted by a bunch of imps from the abyss (Wotc) he and kemp and salvator and the rest will save us from calamity

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 May 2009 :  01:11:43  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bolf66

yes. and here's why I only do novels for now but I love the realms as much anybody but I know something that some are forgetting. who created this wonderful world we all know and enjoy that's right ED as much much as we care for this beautiful world of ours remember dady ED is still around and I'm possitve he's not gonna let his baby get corupted by a bunch of imps from the abyss (Wotc) he and kemp and salvator and the rest will save us from calamity



None of those folks control what happens to the Realms... We wouldn't have had the Sellplague, if they did. I doubt we'd have had any of the RSEs with Ed at the helm.

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 05 May 2009 :  19:24:52  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by bolf66

yes. and here's why I only do novels for now but I love the realms as much anybody but I know something that some are forgetting. who created this wonderful world we all know and enjoy that's right ED as much much as we care for this beautiful world of ours remember dady ED is still around and I'm possitve he's not gonna let his baby get corupted by a bunch of imps from the abyss (Wotc) he and kemp and salvator and the rest will save us from calamity



None of those folks control what happens to the Realms... We wouldn't have had the Sellplague, if they did. I doubt we'd have had any of the RSEs with Ed at the helm.




True enough...unfortunately

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froglegg
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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 :  01:42:09  Show Profile Send froglegg a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No. I will not.

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Diffan
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Posted - 25 Dec 2009 :  03:55:07  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Again, i'm in the minority lol.

I voted Yes. I've already made the conversion of one campaign from 3E to 4E Realms and am running another separate one in the setting too. I can't say I'm completly happy wth ALL the changes made, but I can live with the time jump. And I think the best part is, I use my 3E books just as much now as I did before 4E came out so I don't feel I've wasted anything. But to each his/her own.
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Azuth
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 :  00:22:10  Show Profile  Visit Azuth's Homepage Send Azuth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I couldn't agree more - superlative intended.

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quote:
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At the present, I have no need for a new campaign setting.

I understand that WotC claims that their new campaign setting is set in the same world as the Forgotten Realms, but after analysis of the materials, I can see little evidence of that. There are superficial similarities, sure, but it seems that these extend only to the names of polities and an NPC or two. The two campaign settings appear to be targeted at vastly different demographics and I regret to say that I find little in common with WotC's target audience.


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Delwa
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Posted - 08 Jun 2014 :  15:03:17  Show Profile  Visit Delwa's Homepage Send Delwa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I cherry pick from the post-Spellplague Realms. My current campaign is set in 1490 DR, and the Spellplague did happen, just not the exact same way canon puts it. Most of my sourcebooks are 2E, (but I started learning Realmslore from 3E sourcebooks and Baldur's Gate) and so if I want to adventure in an area I feel got nuked too badly, I change the history to taste.

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The Arcanamach
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Posted - 08 Jun 2014 :  21:44:03  Show Profile Send The Arcanamach a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I voted don't know. I won't be running/adventuring in the 5e era but I may buy some books for the nuggets of lore that may be in them.

I have a dream that one day, all game worlds will exist as one.
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Drustan Dwnhaedan
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Posted - 09 Jun 2014 :  00:23:14  Show Profile Send Drustan Dwnhaedan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Even though I'll probably never run and/or adventure in either 4e or 5e FR (because the DM of my gaming group hated the changes caused by the Spellplague, and because the rest of my group has completely abandoned D&D for Pathfinder), I still voted yes, as I've been writing a series of stories about my old PC characters who have survived into the 1480's.
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HardKano
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Posted - 29 Aug 2014 :  00:40:10  Show Profile  Click to see HardKano's MSN Messenger address Send HardKano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I will start my first game in 10 years in the fifth edition ! I prefer growing with the world as it come than staying stuck in the past. everything change, even in real life ;)

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