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Malanthius
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Greetings,

This is probably going to sound a little extreme but I've finally decided on the major villian for my next campaign and i'm just a little uncertain how to bring him back from the dead.

You may have heard of him before, Karsus the Great, Karsus the Mad.
The story i'm putting together is somehow he comes back, realizes what happened to him, and decides to try to steal the goddess of magick's powers again by going through the chosen first.
Any helpful hints on ressurecting him, and does anybody have any solid info on what actually happened to his body?
Thanks in advance,

Mal

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I really don't have a lot of time so I'll be brief (studying).

I think the first two things you would have to consider before anything else is, exactly why you want to do this?. And secondly, would the deities of Faerun even allow it to begin with?.

I'll try and post something more tonight.




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Naughty Sage! Studying comes first!

There is a true resurrection spell that doesn't need a body.

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And as for deities, someone like Cyric or Shar wouldn't mind. They'd probably delight in the idea of this, being able to send someone else to do it.

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I rather doubt that. When you take into consideration what Karsus's ambition cost the Realms the first time, I doubt any deity old or new would be willing to undergo the near collapse of the Weave again.




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Oh, and it's back to studying Thales for me .


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But why not Shar? She's got the Shadow Weave.

Maybe I just need to look this guy up . . . .

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That would probably be a good idea. I'll post more when I get more time.




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Malanthius
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As for why i want to do this, i'm kind of looking for an excuse to run an Epic level campaign in the realms.
How the deities would react, they don't realize what's happened at first. Everyone just knows that the ruins in Karse (the city in the "high forsest" right?) have disapeared and the formerly wild magic area is completely dead.
This starts out as something that happens in the background of the campaign and comes to a head over time.
Thinking of starting out with karsus somehow waking up and realizing his heart is missing and going out to find it and what happened after he cast his Karsus' Avatar spell.

The reason i was asking about the spell is he died/was turned to stone? Over 1700 years ago realmstime and was hoping to make his ressurection somehow accidental.


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I imagine Mystra would just SLip the weave right out from under the person trying to cast that spell. BUT! KARSUS WAS A god! Can you ressurect a god? I don't think so. I think it requires well more than a ressurection spell. I would say, have a CUlt of Karsus arise and have them trying to raise Karsus. I love bringing new deities into the realms because I like the deities to tremble every now and then. I don't think you can ressurect Karsus, I think you need more magic than that.


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Mournblade said -
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Can you ressurect a god?
Maybe. I remember reading an interesting 'What-if' scenario in a Planescape accessory a few years back that discussed this very question. I will find some time to check the tome, and see what it says. If I remember correctly also, I think it dealt with the fallen god Aoskar, although it wasn't an adventure.


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Anyway I'll have to see about it later. I now have an interesting little textbook here that I am supposed to be reading for an exam, detailing the effects of Humean philosophy on the ontological question.




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Heh! PHILOSOPHERS!!!!



I am a scientist, and I have never been more confused than participating in circles composed entirely of philosophers and Theologians. Of course all of those Philosophy majours are doing NOTHING related to their majour, (Except one who works in a coffee shop). I think I might have to stick with the circles of Scientists and Historians.

What skill would the Philosophy majour grant? Knowledge: what? hmmmm....?????

Religious I guess. Maybe we should invent a new skill for philosophers:

Knowledge (knowledge) Because philosophers know lots about thinking and knowledge.

And why is it I have more friends that are philosophers than scientists? Why was I attracted to that crowd. Oh boy... I'm scared...


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If it counts for anything Mourblade, I am only steadying Philosophy part-time. I am also a part-time Computer Programmer. Is that scientific enough for you??? .

I like to think that I occupy a grey area between philosophy and science .




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Heh. I like that, Mournblade.

And if we're talking about the same guy, he wasn't a god. He was trying to steal Mystara's power to become one.

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I think you mean 'Mystryl' Bookwyrm. Mystara is a campaign setting that used to be published by TSR, but was eventually discontinued. A pity though, it was a great setting.


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Hmm. Yes. I keep thinking of the first one as Mystara . . . . Not sure why.

Come to think of it, my brother has some Mystara books. A trilogy. I started reading the first one, but I got bored with it.

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Which books were they?.


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That was the other thing I was wondering about, you see the story goes that for an instant at least karsus did steal Mystryl's power/godhood and even became omnicient (or at least as all seeing as mystryl was at the time) but mystryl sacrifices herself to undo karsus's spell, witch killed magic for a little bit ( and if you read the arcane age novel there was some kind of inherent power left in karsus but it was fickle somehow and it turned him to stone)so in the process of all of this karsus is petrified and drops with his enclave to the ground in the deep part of where the high forest is now i think.
What is the time limit on how long after someone is turned to stone they can be brought back?
And Do you think Karsus would count as a quasi-deity (referring to the template found in Deities and Demi-gods)?

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I don't think there's any sort of time limit; the stone ought to be in one piece and all, but that's all I think would matter.

As for divinity . . . um, I'd leave him as a mortal. Or at least someone without divine rank, not even rank zero.

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You know, maybe you can do something like in The Chaos Curse . . . there the Curse transformed the drinker into a preversion of life -- a vampire. Perhaps you could rule that the energies had a similar effect? Like turning him into an uber-lich?

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There is no such existing time limit. Only the appropriate reverse magics can undo the permanent nature of a Flesh to Stone spell.


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Although I would advise against assigning a Divine Rank to Karsus, there are some interesting 3e stats floating around somewhere in the internet as part of a 3e Netheril campaign a group in England had run a year ago, the details an exact model to this idea. They had made Karsus into a god from a pre-existing alternate Netheril campaign they had run.

They had made available their stats and campaign logs on the internet for people to see. I can't remember the url, and since I am at the library, I don't have access to my bookmarks. I'll see about posting the url here when I get home after my exam the morning.


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My professor (the one whose site you have bookmarked) never uses bookmarks. Instead, he uses that very page to go places that interest him. It's basically a Favorites list that can be accessed at work, at home, or wherever he is. No need to update several different collections everytime he adds a new one.

I'd do it myself, but I have trouble working these things. ::pokes at keyboard:: You'd think a dragon could learn a thing like simple webpage constuction easily . . . . However, you should have no problem. Computers are your day job, after all.

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I have been slowly working on such a page for incorporation into my new website since the other web page has now completely collapsed. I have so many bookmarks for just about everything. I really want to categorise them, so the ineffective system I am using now can be deleted. However free time has been a very rare quantity these past few days.


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If you want Bookwyrm, when it is done, I can use the ethereal mail system to deliver to you the skeleton of the page in HTML format. But I will construct it in such a way so that all you have to do is enter the appropriate links (bookmarks) in the specific url tags, and the page then creates itself after you load it through whatever browser you are using, Netscape Navigator, or Internet Explorer, or whatever.

Just let me know.


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