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Marek
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Italy
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 Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 10:42:55
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I assume they do but they shave or keep it short or sport only sideburns. Am I correct?
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Zzdtri
Acolyte
Croatia
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 11:13:35
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Races of Faerun says that some shield, gold and urdunnir females have beards ("long, carefully groomed beards and mustaches"). As far as duergar and wild dwarves are concerned, there isn't any description of females of those races having beards.
I only checked RoF, however there might be different information in other/older books. |
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Na-Gang
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
348 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 12:03:52
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I'm sure Dwarves Deep mentions it.
In Elaine Cunningham's novel Thornhold there are some cute descriptions of dwarven behaviour and particularly females with beards (there's a dwarven wedding ceremony). |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 12:31:19
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Originally posted by Marek
I assume they do but they shave or keep it short or sport only sideburns. Am I correct?
It used to be that Dwarven women have beards. I think it is mentioned in Dwarves Deep. Certainly the depictions of the Dwarven goddesses in Demihuman Deities show them bearded. (And very funny it looks too.) If I recall correctly (why am I always having my lunch-break at work when I would most like to check my books?) later books make little mention of this and certainly the artwork in 3E does not show this.
In my own setting, Dwarven numbers are low because their fertility is low, most females are sterile and are bearded due to a lack of oestragen and a bit of testosterone (I think those are the right terms). Fertile dwarves, both male and female, are few and are called elders. They are rarely seen by outsiders. That's my own take though. |
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Kiaransalyn
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United Kingdom
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 14:35:58
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| They have been downplaying it for years, but yes dwarven women may have beards. Not all do of course. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 14:51:57
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From the 3E Campaign Setting:
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Some female dwarves of Faerūn can grow beards, too, often passing as males among the nondwarves of the surface lands. Dwarven women may choose to shave their beards to match human-style expectations of beauty, while others glory in luxurious plaited beards that match their hair or wear sharply cut goatees.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 15:26:43
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Per the original lore, it's noted that only a few female Shield Dwarves shave, including the presence of beards on dwarven females. Aside from the FRCS, Races of Faerūn also claims that only a few are bearded. Ed's also discussed this somewhat in past replies here at Candlekeep.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 17:25:18
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What Brian said.
The RoF book basically leaves it up to you weather they do or not, and I believe in 4e none of them do anymore.
IMG, I just say that certain clans tend towards it, and others do not. The Dwarves of the Moonshaes is the only Dwarven Kingdom wherein the females predominantly sport beards (as per MY homebrew, to keep it consistent with the novels - everyone else can do what they want). |
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BARDOBARBAROS
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Greece
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 17:55:49
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| They tend to be hairy ...and if they want to they may have a beard... |
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Seainna Mistwalker
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 08:08:27
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| My understanding is that some do, though I'd say its a very unpopular choice within actual game play. As a player generating a personality, or a DM using an NPC who's time "in game" will extend beyond just one scene. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 17:05:43
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The way I see it:
1e & 2e: 100% bearded
3e: Less than 50% bearded
4e: 0% bearded (I think this was covered in Wizards Presents: Races and Classes |
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Markustay
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 18:51:58
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Another possible take is that females, as a result of the Thunder Blessing, are no longer bearded. So after a hundred years, all the younger ones will be beardless now (in 4e).
Not that there is any canon reason for that what-so-ever, but we could always say since most of the Pantheons have been merged, and Moradin was always Gond, perhaps the Dwarven deity decided he kinda like the clean-shaven look of the other race's females. 
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They tend to be hairy ...
So, if Dwarven Males are always represented as being Scottish, does this mean the females were French?  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 00:32:22
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Originally posted by Seainna Mistwalker
My understanding is that some do, though I'd say its a very unpopular choice within actual game play.
Yeah, I have to admit, if I made a dwarven female I don't think I'd want to give her a beard, or any other masculine facial hair. I really do like the look of the 4E dwarf females. |
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Yuen
Acolyte
Austria
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 03:36:23
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| you might want to google "Playdwarf" for a disturbing image of dwarven nudity that shows why female dwarfs shouldn't have beards |
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Seainna Mistwalker
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 04:57:42
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin I really do like the look of the 4E dwarf females.
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 09:42:05
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Originally posted by Markustay
Moradin was always Gond,
*spits out tea* Yet more reasons to dislike $E. I really don't like this idea of deities masquerading as other deities. I can see how as a one-off it is OK and makes for an interesting story but as a wholesale policy it has very little appeal to me.
Now I know people will say, "If you don't like it, don't buy into it!"
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Kiaransalyn
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 09:42:41
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Originally posted by Seainna Mistwalker
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin I really do like the look of the 4E dwarf females.
Seconded.
Are there any on-line pictures of $E dwarves?
Edit: No need to reply to this answer, Yuen. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 17:52:43
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
Are there any on-line pictures of $E dwarves?
You should find some on wizards.com. |
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Kiaransalyn
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 18:20:06
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
You should find some on wizards.com.
You know, it's uncanny, but I did think to visit there. But I couldn't find anything. I looked at the art galleries and specifically at the Races and Classes but didn't identify anything. It was mostly pencil sketches which didn't mean much on a page of thumbnails. Are the art galleries for the $E books on-line yet? |
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Christopher_Rowe
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USA
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 18:41:45
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| Look in the miniatures galleries for the dwarf shieldmaiden in the most recent set. She kind of gives the vibe. Also, if you want to download the Forgotten Realms appendix to H2 that's free from Dungeon Magazine, there's a nice picture of a female duergar swordmage. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 18:41:50
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
You know, it's uncanny, but I did think to visit there. But I couldn't find anything. I looked at the art galleries and specifically at the Races and Classes but didn't identify anything. It was mostly pencil sketches which didn't mean much on a page of thumbnails. Are the art galleries for the $E books on-line yet?
I don't know, but perhaps it wouldn't hurt to look through the Races and Classes preview book or the Core rulebooks and look at some of the dwarf pictures in there. |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 19:58:13
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| At this point, I would like to point out that I don't have a thing for female dwarves. I'll look at the miniatures gallery. (I've not signed up for D&D Insider since I assume they'll want my credit card details before long.) |
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Leon_Stryfe
Acolyte
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 23:26:21
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While not directly tied to FR, Races of Stone implies that only the men have beards. Page 7, pargraph 1 states, "...dwarves prize their hair, whether it be on their scalps (for both genders) or on their faces (for the males)". Now, whether or not this means that the females are incapable of growing facial hair, or if it's just socialy unacceptable, I can only guess.
Also, while I don't have it on me (I'll have to check and report my findings Monday), I don't recall the females being bearded in the Demihuman Deities 2nd Ed. supplement.
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Yuen
Acolyte
Austria
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 01:01:21
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Originally posted by Leon_Stryfe
Also, while I don't have it on me (I'll have to check and report my findings Monday), I don't recall the females being bearded in the Demihuman Deities 2nd Ed. supplement.
yes they are. The priestesses of Marthammor Duin, Deep Duerra, Berronar Truesilver and Haela Brightaxe are all bearded, though much less than their male counterparts. The only beardless one is the priestess of Sharindlar.
Still, I think it looks kinda wrong to put a beard on women. |
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Faraer
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 01:07:44
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| There you are: they aren't women, they're female dwarves. And most of them are proudly bearded in Oerth and Toril. |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 02:33:55
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Oh, hey, Kiaransalyn! Check this out, here's a 4E dwarf woman in a "non-credit card" space at wizards.com--looks like it was just posted in the last day or two. Linkety link link.
(I actually like that duergar pic I told you about a little better, and I didn't have to enter any cc info to do the initial DDI signup, but I understand your misgivings--maybe somebody you know can <ahem> tell you about it in great detail.) |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 04:01:02
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Kiaransalyn
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 07:11:56
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Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe
Oh, hey, Kiaransalyn! Check this out, here's a 4E dwarf woman in a "non-credit card" space at wizards.com--looks like it was just posted in the last day or two. Linkety link link.
Thanks for that. That's what I wanted to see.
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Kiaransalyn
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 07:13:37
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I think beards on dwarven females have been played down or removed simply because a lot of people can't imagine a bearded woman as being attractive.
It's all just a question of ale really. Just as it is assumed that all dwarves speak with comedy Scottish accents, it's equally assumed that they like a drop or two of quaffage [1]. Now we know why.
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Artemel
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 16:50:49
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I think beards on dwarven females have been played down or removed simply because a lot of people can't imagine a bearded woman as being attractive.
It's all just a question of ale really. Just as it is assumed that all dwarves speak with comedy Scottish accents, it's equally assumed that they like a drop or two of quaffage [1]. Now we know why.
1. Beer
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Do female dwarves have a beard?
