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Patrakis
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 Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 06:22:37
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http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/excerpts/FRPreview_WarlockKnights.pdf
Seems that Vassaa has seen major changes... or maybe i wasn't up to date on development in that region.
At least the excerpts have improved in quality of the information.
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Mod edit: Corrected spelling of "Vaasa" in the title, for better searchability. 
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 06:42:20
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I don't understand why these previews are so lacking in Realms flavor... It really makes me worry about what the FRCG is going to be like.  |
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Diffan
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 06:52:03
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Consider it a small blurb on a subject. I'm assuming that there will be more info once the FRCG hits the shelves with more lore involved. I enjoyed the article and am happy Vassa is finally having a prominent role in FR. I also like the "Over-lord" concept the Warlock Knights have as well. Cool stuff IMO.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 07:24:33
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't understand why these previews are so lacking in Realms flavor... It really makes me worry about what the FRCG is going to be like.
Probably doesnt help that they named their "god" after a planet from Star wars Kotor |
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Kyrene
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 07:28:33
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| I was a little slow to post this as a new topic, so I deleted mine to add it here: Is ironfell the new darksteel? And Vaasa is now a fuedal system? What happened to the half-orcs, or the sponsored raids from Damara? Oh, sorry, warlock knights with an endless supply of a new metal is KEWL! The premise for this one is even worse than the undead network from Abeir. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 08:29:42
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't understand why these previews are so lacking in Realms flavor...
Because the writers of the 4E Realms self-admittedly mentioned that they've never gamed in the Realms? |
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 12:52:20
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Originally posted by Diffan
Consider it a small blurb on a subject. I'm assuming that there will be more info once the FRCG hits the shelves with more lore involved. I enjoyed the article and am happy Vassa is finally having a prominent role in FR. I also like the "Over-lord" concept the Warlock Knights have as well. Cool stuff IMO.
These previews are direct from the FRCG so there can't be any more lore that what has been posted. I am getting the same feeling as WR here, not enough lore!!
However, as a concept I didn't mind this one too much and has some potential for working with (unlike the nonsense of Loudwater )
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Bakra
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 13:28:27
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't understand why these previews are so lacking in Realms flavor...
Because the writers of the 4E Realms self-admittedly mentioned that they've never gamed in the Realms?
Incorrect, they admitted they didn't have any current (2006/07) office games set in the Realms. I could be wrong but I think Ed plays in the Realms. |
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Colman
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 13:39:45
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The excerpts we've seen from chapter 7 don't really cover geography or history at all, just some information about the organisation in question. There is very likely more geographical information about Vaasa in chapter 6, which seems to be the geographical one. There may be a chapter on history as well - anyone seen a table of contents?
Note that they didn't post an excerpt on Cormyr, but a DDi article. Different thing. I suspect they decided everyone would freak out if they posted a two page excerpt of the Cormyr coverage in the book. That might be why they're doing out-of-the-way regions and minor enough organisations: 2 page excerpts cover them.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 14:07:47
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Originally posted by Colman
The excerpts we've seen from chapter 7 don't really cover geography or history at all, just some information about the organisation in question. There is very likely more geographical information about Vaasa in chapter 6, which seems to be the geographical one. There may be a chapter on history as well - anyone seen a table of contents?
Note that they didn't post an excerpt on Cormyr, but a DDi article. Different thing. I suspect they decided everyone would freak out if they posted a two page excerpt of the Cormyr coverage in the book. That might be why they're doing out-of-the-way regions and minor enough organisations: 2 page excerpts cover them.
Yeah, but when the 3E FRCS was coming out, we had excerpts and such that focused on iconic things of the Realms -- things like portals and select NPCs. Other than names, most of these excerpts are generic enough to be dropped anywhere. I don't feel like we've seen anything of the setting with these excerpts...
The fact that the Cormyr article was a "Dragon" article (I can't give the online content the same respect as the fallen magazine), and not a excerpt, concerns me. If something like that isn't in the book, does that mean we're going to have an entire book of nothing but these lame excerpts? |
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Sian
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 14:25:35
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| i like the idea of warlocks taking control of Vasaa ... but everything else aren't worth being printed ... pretty sure as well that a 10 year old could come up with a better reason than an alien god crashlanding ... Bloodstone lands have a history allready which could easily be built on to support that a Demonic Warlock cabal with warlocks from all races around the area under the guidiance of a halfdemonic Gnoll Lich Warlock (or something other fancy) taking control over from where the lich king left |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 16:26:19
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| I wonder if these are the same or similar to what appeared in the Swordmage Novel. If so, they were portrayed very well in the book |
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Brimstone
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 18:08:56
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Originally posted by Sian
i like the idea of warlocks taking control of Vasaa ... but everything else aren't worth being printed ... pretty sure as well that a 10 year old could come up with a better reason than an alien god crashlanding ... Bloodstone lands have a history allready which could easily be built on to support that a Demonic Warlock cabal with warlocks from all races around the area under the guidiance of a halfdemonic Gnoll Lich Warlock (or something other fancy) taking control over from where the lich king left
-Kinda like how they could have brought the Dragonborn into the Realms. 
-They could have used the lore from A Grand History of the Realms for them. 
-No they drop Tymanther on Unther instead. 
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Asgetrion
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 21:15:17
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't understand why these previews are so lacking in Realms flavor... It really makes me worry about what the FRCG is going to be like.
Probably doesnt help that they named their "god" after a planet from Star wars Kotor
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Asgetrion
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 21:16:42
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Originally posted by Diffan
Consider it a small blurb on a subject. I'm assuming that there will be more info once the FRCG hits the shelves with more lore involved. I enjoyed the article and am happy Vassa is finally having a prominent role in FR. I also like the "Over-lord" concept the Warlock Knights have as well. Cool stuff IMO.
'Vassa' doesn't have any role in FR... now, *Vaasa*, however, does. Sorry to be nit-picking, but that's one of the most common spelling errors with FR names. |
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 21:20:42
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't understand why these previews are so lacking in Realms flavor... It really makes me worry about what the FRCG is going to be like.
Probably doesnt help that they named their "god" after a planet from Star wars Kotor
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 21:35:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't understand why these previews are so lacking in Realms flavor... It really makes me worry about what the FRCG is going to be like.
Yeah, I agree with you there. The article had some new and interesting mechanics, but it really lacked any real connection to the Realms. First of all, are these Primordials really so relevant to the 4E flavour, so that they need to be "shoehorned" into every setting? I don't think I've seen them mentioned anywhere else but MM (and the 'Worlds and Monsters', IIRC)? This would imply that they could easily just be written off as ancient and forgotten gods which nobody remembers anymore. And even if they were relevant and cool and whatnot -- there *are* ancient and mysterious beings such as the Seven Lost Gods who could just as well be "fallen" Primordials in FR. I don't think the fates or histories of Camnod or Maram, for example, have been revealed yet? Telos is simply a boring name in my opinion, and too close to Talos for my taste. And why did he have to (literally) fall from the sky? Why couldn't he just be a Primordial who's slumbering (very much like Ulutiu) beneath the earth?
I'm personally so disappointed that the Warlock Knights were not liked to Zhengyi in any way -- it would have been a natural choice, in my opinion.  |
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Kiaransalyn
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 21:38:57
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As regards the preview <insert standard issue sarcasm here>
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Originally posted by capnvan
Gosh, you know what I like? When the designers tell us that there are too many gods in the Realms, and then turn around and introduce new ones in the FRCG!
That is a very good point! It's not so much that it's one rule for them and one rule for us as the fact that the think that by killing off some of our favourites we'll enjoy the new deities.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 22:58:10
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
I'm personally so disappointed that the Warlock Knights were not liked to Zhengyi in any way -- it would have been a natural choice, in my opinion.
Yeah, I thought the same thing... This is another place where they could have followed existing Realmslore, and instead ignored it while forcing something obviously different in. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 23:38:38
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Originally posted by Bakra
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't understand why these previews are so lacking in Realms flavor...
Because the writers of the 4E Realms self-admittedly mentioned that they've never gamed in the Realms?
Incorrect, they admitted they didn't have any current (2006/07) office games set in the Realms. I could be wrong but I think Ed plays in the Realms.
Same darn thing! If you don't game in the Realms you've got no business writing new Realmslore. Period.  |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 23:40:41
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Originally posted by Sian
i like the idea of warlocks taking control of Vasaa ... but everything else aren't worth being printed ... pretty sure as well that a 10 year old could come up with a better reason than an alien god crashlanding ... Bloodstone lands have a history allready which could easily be built on to support that a Demonic Warlock cabal with warlocks from all races around the area under the guidiance of a halfdemonic Gnoll Lich Warlock (or something other fancy) taking control over from where the lich king left
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George Krashos
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 23:47:18
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I'm pretty sure that the Warlock Knights of Vaasa were one of Rich Baker's creations. As I recall, he was pretty excited about them.
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RodOdom
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Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 00:05:23
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*shrug*
There's no feeling of continuity from where FR 3.5 left off. There's no explanation of how they got from point A (Spellplague) to point B (100 year leap.) They just drop new chunks of stuff all over the landscape. It suggests laziness and a lack of passion for the Realms. A year ago I was afraid that the Realms would be victim of over-enthusiastic young designers. It's turned out even worse; they didn't even want to try hard. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 00:18:10
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't understand why these previews are so lacking in Realms flavor... It really makes me worry about what the FRCG is going to be like.
I agree, it doesn't feel like the Realms. Not to me anyway.
And of course, my saying that is going to PO some people. Oh well. |
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Asgetrion
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Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 01:04:21
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Originally posted by RodOdom
*shrug*
There's no feeling of continuity from where FR 3.5 left off. There's no explanation of how they got from point A (Spellplague) to point B (100 year leap.) They just drop new chunks of stuff all over the landscape. It suggests laziness and a lack of passion for the Realms. A year ago I was afraid that the Realms would be victim of over-enthusiastic young designers. It's turned out even worse; they didn't even want to try hard.
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Asgetrion
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Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 01:10:57
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I'm pretty sure that the Warlock Knights of Vaasa were one of Rich Baker's creations. As I recall, he was pretty excited about them.
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Sadly, being excited about your own creation does not speak anything about its quality -- I'm usually very excited about a lot of ideas I come up with, yet I'm pretty certain that most of the scribes and sages here would not share my excitement, should I choose to post my ideas. This occasionally holds true for veteran FR designers, too, which seems to be the case here. The mechanics in the preview are interesting, but I just can't understand why Rich wouldn't tie this organization into existing lore -- especially when he chose to use Vaasa as their base. Unless the designers intentionally want to ignore the existing lore in order to "rewrite" the Realms for 4E, and leave their own "handprints" all over the place? |
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Brimstone
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Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 01:53:44
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-Look what they did with 4E.
-The Realms are not special just next, in the 'reimagining' of D&D.
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 04:04:59
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| Sigh... I'm starting to have my fill of Rich Baker's creations if you ask me... |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 04:53:23
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't understand why these previews are so lacking in Realms flavor... It really makes me worry about what the FRCG is going to be like.
Probably doesnt help that they named their "god" after a planet from Star wars Kotor
I knew I recognized that name from somewhere!!!
At the risk of derailing the thread check this out it comes out nnext month
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/KOTORguide |
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Markustay
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Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 05:48:45
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Originally posted by RodOdom
*shrug*
There's no feeling of continuity from where FR 3.5 left off. There's no explanation of how they got from point A (Spellplague) to point B (100 year leap.) They just drop new chunks of stuff all over the landscape. It suggests laziness and a lack of passion for the Realms. A year ago I was afraid that the Realms would be victim of over-enthusiastic young designers. It's turned out even worse; they didn't even want to try hard.
This really strikes home.
Not only was the God-name taken right out of Star Wars, but the lore itself was lifted wholesale from World of Warcraft - so much so, I almost feel like sending an E-Mail to Blizzard's legal dept.
I played a warlock in WoW for two years, so I know a little of what I'm talking about.
These 4e warlocks use Shardsouls, and in Warcraft, the warlocks use Soulshards... I kid you not.
Its like they are not even trying anymore.
I feel like this stuff gets written ten minutes before they have to hand it in - You know; like those reports I used to write in HS on the bus on the way to school the morning they were do - and you just know the teacher knows you did just that, but you don't care because at least you handed something in. |
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Kyrene
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Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 07:09:34
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Originally posted by Markustay
Its like they are not even trying anymore.
Considering all the previews thusfar, it seems like they never tried. This may sound a bit strong, but I'm wondering: if someone breaks promises, does one call that person a liar, or something else? We've been promised so much concerning $E in general, and post-Sellplague Realms in particular, but I have yet to see any of that. Perhaps it's just delusions of grandeur on the part of the so-called design team (work from people like BRJ and Ed nonwithstanding). |
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