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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
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 Posted - 06 Jul 2008 : 01:37:18
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Hi all,
I'm in the process (have been for a while when i have time) of remaking the map of all Toril while blending the new map of Faerun with the old map of the planet. All the scribes here know that the scales and dimensions of the 3.5e version of Faerun were completely changed compared to the 1e/2e era. That always buged me and i decided to unified the two.
I completed the contour of the continents and some major changes were necessary at the frontier of Kara-Tur and Faerun. I don't know if this is of any interest to my fellow scribes but i offer it as a work in progress and will keep you posted on my work. My hope is to complete the planet at some point and i'm really looking foreward to what Mr. Greenwood will produce in the new FRCS for 4E.
Anyway, here is the link to a big PDF map (12 megs) of the contour lines of Toril with my changes. I blended the 3.5e version of Faerun with 1e/2e version of the rest of Toril.
http://patoumonde.com/picturepro//albums/userpics/10001/Toril_Topo_3.pdf
Pat
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Edited by - Patrakis on 02 Oct 2009 19:54:41
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
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dwarvenranger
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 06 Jul 2008 : 03:57:49
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If I waited till I knew what I was doing, I'd never get anything done.
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jul 2008 : 09:59:39
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Great stuff! Thanks for posting  |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 06 Jul 2008 : 23:53:02
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That's a bit of hard work. Thank you for your diligence!
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 00:43:23
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| Wow pretty interesting....looks like a lot of work with much patience needed. |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 01:37:22
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Thanks,
I hope this work could be of use to some. Sometimes i think i'm the only one that was profondly shocked by the reworking of the geography of Faerun when 3.5 arrived. I liked the new map but i couldn't get myself to live with the discrepencies between versions of the realms. I've tried to link them as best i could without modifying the geography too much at the frontier with Kara-tur and Maztican but it was not possible. What i propose is in the realm of Fanon but it seems logical.
As for patience, it does take some. The reason the file is so big is because the level of details of the coastline was taken from the dragon map of Faerun, a very small scale compared to the world level of details. As some of you might ahve noticed, you can zoom in quite a lot with the PDF. I'll try to keep it all in one file as long as it is managable in Acrobat. My working file is at 278 000 megs :) in Illustrator :)
Anyway, i'll post progression as they are made. I will probably complete the main continent with names and features before i tackle the unknown continents.
Pat |
Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
My site: http://www.patoumonde.com |
Edited by - Patrakis on 07 Jul 2008 01:43:46 |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 02:52:59
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Hey Patrakis,
Are you using Campaign Cartographer? |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 03:14:38
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Normally i'm using CC for my maps but this one is pretty complexe and demands some imports of PDF, JPG and generates a very large map. That's why i'm using Adobe Illustrator for the main job. CC can't handle that big of a file.
Pat |
Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
My site: http://www.patoumonde.com |
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Afetbinttuzani
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 03:33:13
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Beautiful work. I wonder, though, if the stark colors will obscure the lettering of place names, when you get to them.
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 16:30:26
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Very nice, I love maps. I am looking forward to seeing this when you are done! (I am looking forward to Markus' too, but he is a slacker.   ) |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 20:13:57
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Slacker?! 
I prefer to be called a 'perfectionist', thank you very much. 
If I didn't spend 90% of my time re-doing parts on completed maps that I wasn't entirely happy with, I'd get a LOT more done. I'm currently working on The North (a higher-res rework of my Silver Marches Map, with many more locales) and the FOURTH version of the Hordelands, which is nearly complete and should be available at Alediran's site by the end of the week.
I also have quite a lot done that no-one has seen because neighboring regions are incomplete.
This was from awhile ago -
Continental Map
Its just a teaser, and I have progressed much further since I posted that on Photobocket awhile back. :)
I didn't realize I was in a 'race' - I guees I'll have to get my butt in gear... 
@Dagnirion - I don't know why, but when I click that link in your post, it sends my anti-virus into a FRenzy!
Perhaps a Mod could remove that link? I've never had a problem with that site before, so this is a first. |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 20:20:10
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I sincerely hope you don't you don't consider this a race Mark.
But if my endeavour places a bit of pressure on you so you can complete your beautiful maps... then it's an added bonus to the community
It sure is not a race for me ... just a labor of love... mapping i mean.
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Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
My site: http://www.patoumonde.com |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 20:22:02
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
Beautiful work. I wonder, though, if the stark colors will obscure the lettering of place names, when you get to them.
Afet
The colours are not decided yet... I've put some to get a sense of the design but the end choices will take much tries as it will have to show good results in printing form also.
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Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 20:29:39
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Originally posted by Patrakis
It sure is not a race for me ... just a labor of love... mapping i mean.
It started as a labor of love for me as well, but after the 4e announcement, I've found it was harder and harder to get back to it.
But like you, I am trying to put all the 2e locales and terrain back unto the 3e maps, which isn't easy - as you probably already know.
Wait until you try to use the map of Hartsvale to place IT - the northern continental caostline from the world map doesn't work out AT ALL. 
I also found I had to rotate the 3e Campaign Map about 9° to get the Hordelands, Kara-Tur, and Zakhara to line-up correctly (and make the coastline of the worldmap confer to the campaign map - the 3e world map actually matches better with the 2e campaign map!)
Anyhow, great work... and it does put a 'fire under my arse' to get mine done now, so it's all good.
And your presentation is different - I haven't used Adobe... yet. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 23:25:23
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I really shouldn't be clogging up Patrakis' thread with this - it's his moment, and with his hard work he deserves it.
I really like what he has done here, and it will aid me in several ways - Thanks Patrakis.
For those who care:
Faerūn proper is a constant work-in-progress - I'm always fine-tuning it. The Hordelands are done, as is the Ue. Kara-Tur is 95% complete, and I should have Shou-Lung at least posted shortly somewhere. The southern jungle/Malatra region is just 'roughed-in' ATM, and I only have the northern edge of Zakhara complete (but the rest is outlined). Haven't even begun the Japan-like Island nations, other then a quick rough-in.
I also have a labor-of-love map of Katashaka in the works - its basically an adaption of the Nyambe Map applied to the outline of the continent from the FRCS.
I was going to start Maztica a few months back... but now I don't know if I'll bother.
Anchorome is a LONG way off.....
And YES Ergdusch, I AM indeed still working on the Cormyr map in-between everything else. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 23:41:37
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Slacker?!
I prefer to be called a 'perfectionist', thank you very much.
I'm just picking on you! You know I hold you in high regard too! You also have other fun distractions like work and kids and stuff. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 03:15:45
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
I really shouldn't be clogging up Patrakis' thread with this - it's his moment, and with his hard work he desrves it.
I really like what he has done here, and it will aid me in several ways - Thanks Patrakis.
For those who care:
Faerūn proper is a constant work-in-progress - I'm always fine-tuning it. The Hordelands are done, as is the Ue. Kara-Tur is 95% complete, and I should have at least Shou-Lung up shortly somewhere. The soutehern jungle/Malatra region is just 'roughed-in' ATM, and I only have the northern edge of Zakhara complete (but the rest is outlined). Haven't even begun the Japan-like Island nations, other then a quick rough-in.
I also have a labor-of-love map of Katashaka in the works - its basically an adaption of the Nyambe Map applied to the outline of the continent from the FRCS.
I was going to start Maztica a few months back... but now I don't know if I'll bother.
Anchorome is a LONG way off.....
And YES Ergdusch, I AM indeed still working on the Cormyr map in-between everything else.
Thanks Markustay,
And i don't mind as long as we write about Maps. :)
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Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
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Brother Accam
Acolyte
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 06:31:21
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Markustay
Anchorome is a LONG way off.....
*The Sage eagerly anticipates Markus's Anchorome map*
I know he said it was a LONG way off . . . but I love Markustay's stuff, and I'm really looking forward to this map.
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 09:56:46
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Originally posted by Patrakis
Here is the next progression with the relief done for Faerun.
http://patoumonde.com/maps/Toril_progress_5.pdf
Pat
I have tried to download this twice, and both downloads came back with an error message when I tried to open them. I am using Adobe reader 6.0 on a Mac with System X.2.8.
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 12:08:20
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My internet provider has been known to go down from time to time. Sorry about that.
I've just tried the link and it seems to work fine.
Pat |
Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
My site: http://www.patoumonde.com |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 14:55:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
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Originally posted by Patrakis
Here is the next progression with the relief done for Faerun.
http://patoumonde.com/maps/Toril_progress_5.pdf
Pat
I have tried to download this twice, and both downloads came back with an error message when I tried to open them. I am using Adobe reader 6.0 on a Mac with System X.2.8.
I had the same thing happen once, but I re-downloaded the file and it worked. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 20:04:18
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Originally posted by Brother Accam
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Markustay
Anchorome is a LONG way off.....
*The Sage eagerly anticipates Markus's Anchorome map*
I know he said it was a LONG way off . . . but I love Markustay's stuff, and I'm really looking forward to this map.
Considering I was only doing Katashaka for MY interest (I love the Nyambe setting, and a wee bit creeped into my last CK article), I may just bump it aside for awhile and start Anchorme, considering there's an interest in it. I found a great relief-Map done by someone on the internet of the place, which I'm going to base it on - I'll just re-do what he has done with the 3e map terrain and textures. However, putting it in front of Katashaka still puts it a ways off, but perhaps not as long as it would have otherwise been.
*That link takes awhile to load, and I have GREAT connection speeds, so anyone who is uasually slow may want to avoid it. I tried linking directly to the pic (which is located at the bottom of that page), which is chock-full of col maps), but the website doesn't allow it. |
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HandsomeRob
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Jul 2008 : 01:20:06
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Originally posted by Markustay
Considering I was only doing Katashaka for MY interest (I love the Nyambe setting, and a wee bit creeped into my last CK article), I may just bump it aside for awhile and start Anchorme, considering there's an interest in it. I found a great relief-Map done by someone on the internet of the place, which I'm going to base it on - I'll just re-do what he has done with the 3e map terrain and textures. However, putting it in front of Katashaka still puts it a ways off, but perhaps not as long as it would have otherwise been.
Markus, I certainly didn't want you to feel like you had to set aside other more important maps just so you could work on the Anchorome map. Your work is too important for that. I'm content enough to wait for as long as it takes. |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 10 Jul 2008 : 17:43:14
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I'm curious,
Where is the information on the geography of Anchorome coming from? |
Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Jul 2008 : 17:44:21
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| Well, I am eagerly awaiting the completion of both your and Patrakis' map projects, and I am happy that you both are keeping them to the 3.5 and before Realms since I am not happy about what is being done with the 4e Realms. |
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He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
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* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
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* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2008 : 19:27:33
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The Geography of Anchorme I'm taking from that other guy's map, because I don't like to go against previous lore, even if it's homebrew (he did his first, so why should I change it?) Thats just a topographical map anyway, and I'd be adding in whatever few locations (New Waterdeep?) that might actually be there (or close enough to make it onto the map edge), with a few 'tribal' suggestions penned in from what little we have to go on.
You know... this is the PERFECT opportunity for an 'ask Ed'. I realize his Anchorme was but a series of Islands, and I was planning on adding those some 25-50 miles off the coast (to keep Ed's vision compatible with the FRCS world map and the topographical map that other gentleman did), but I'm sure he could provide some semi-canonical input on what's on the mainland (now that there is one), especially considering he must of put some sort of thought into it for the FRCG (4e).
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Originally posted by The Sage
Markus, I certainly didn't want you to feel like you had to set aside other more important maps just so you could work on the Anchorome map. Your work is too important for that. I'm content enough to wait for as long as it takes.
Nothing important is being set-aside. I was doing the Katashaka-as-Nyambe map/Conversion as a pet project, and so far all I have is the coastal outline and a couple of mountain ranges,
The Kara-Tur map and even the forseeable Zakhara map would both still come first, mostly because I have real, canon sources to draw from.
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Originally posted by HandsomeRob
Hey, why is Sri Lanka down there in the southeast corner?
Ummmmmm 
When I started this project, I hadn't bothered to consult the world map from the FRCS (3e) because it tends to be a little off (especially in regards to the far north - Ed has stated that the Great Ice sea (Yal Tengri) connects to the Sea of Floating Ice, for one). The Kara-Tur Map was taken directly from the K-T boxed set maps and then 're-built' by me, adding in features and dressing up the place a wee-bit - THAT MAP didn't have the lower portion of the continent on it, so I fudged it the first time around (and roughed-in a possible placement for a nearby 'lost empire', which happens to be 'borrowed' from Sri Lanka). Then I got ahold of the Trail Map, which does have the bottom portion on it, and I realized there is no 'Giant Island' in that region.
But I left it anyway... for now. It kind-of feels like it belongs there.
Chalk it up to 'artistic license', or some sort of 'temporal Space Anomaly' (Star Trek seems to love those), but either way, when the map is done I plan for something to be there, but modified quite a bit from my 'concept 1st draft'.
Besides, what have you got against Sri Lanka? |
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Map of Toril - 3.5E
