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Starchaserva
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 :  16:50:26  Show Profile  Visit Starchaserva's Homepage Send Starchaserva a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Has anyone read Philip Athans' "Watercourse Trilogy"? I noticed it the other day, and started reading the first book. If anyone else has read it, I'm curious for your opinions on it. It came out about 2006-07. First book is called "Whisper of Waves"

Edited by - Starchaserva on 23 Jun 2008 17:05:24

Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 :  18:01:03  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, many people around here have read it, myself included. My opinion of the trilogy is not particularly favorable, however, I've given my opinion many times and I don't want to repeat everything I've said here, soooo...

If you want to read my comments (among others), check out the related threads in the Book Club forum. Or do a search.

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Hawkins
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 :  19:09:48  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have not read it because I do not have a favorable view of the author. He largely botched up the novelization of Baldur's Gate. Maybe someday I will give him a second chance, but I have some many other authors that I know I like (both Realms and non-Realms) that I do not have the time to waste on this trilogy right now.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 :  20:31:38  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HawkinstheDM

I have not read it because I do not have a favorable view of the author. He largely botched up the novelization of Baldur's Gate.



True--it's hard for me to forget about that. That being said, though, I tried not to let that color my view of the WT--I think those books stand or fall (IMO, fall) on their own merits, or lack thereof.

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MerrikCale
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 :  21:26:24  Show Profile  Visit MerrikCale's Homepage Send MerrikCale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, Rino, we do agree on a great many things on these boards. But this ain't one of them. I to a degree enjoyed the series. It was kind of a minor, unassuming story that I enjoyed. Was it great? Nope. Was Baldur's Gate bad? Yup.

But I liked these books. I would give them a B/B-



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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 :  01:15:37  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale

Well, Rino, we do agree on a great many things on these boards. But this ain't one of them. I to a degree enjoyed the series.



Hey, that's no crime.

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MerrikCale
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 :  03:03:13  Show Profile  Visit MerrikCale's Homepage Send MerrikCale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale

Well, Rino, we do agree on a great many things on these boards. But this ain't one of them. I to a degree enjoyed the series.



Hey, that's no crime.



True. Its not like I said I enjoyed the Last Mythal or sumthin'



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The Red Walker
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 :  04:36:26  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
ah Phyrea..........


Such fond memories

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 :  16:13:17  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale

True. Its not like I said I enjoyed the Last Mythal or sumthin'



Indeed. That would have been a crime.


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Hawkins
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Posted - 24 Jun 2008 :  18:03:55  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale
True. Its not like I said I enjoyed the Last Mythal or sumthin'
Indeed. That would have been a crime.


Hey, stop picking on me! I liked the Last Mythal (and the Return of the Archwizards for that matter)

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The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
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He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane

* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives

My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)

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Zelg of Cyric
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Posted - 26 Jun 2008 :  23:51:56  Show Profile  Visit Zelg of Cyric's Homepage Send Zelg of Cyric a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Overall, I enjoyed it. However, I must say that it went significantly downhill after the first book.

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 01 Jul 2008 :  00:42:49  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Starchaserva

Has anyone read Philip Athans' "Watercourse Trilogy"? I noticed it the other day, and started reading the first book. If anyone else has read it, I'm curious for your opinions on it. It came out about 2006-07. First book is called "Whisper of Waves"




How are you enjoying it? I finished them and thought they were worth the effort, but it is disappointing when a trilogy gets less interesting as it goes.

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Starchaserva
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Posted - 01 Jul 2008 :  21:45:09  Show Profile  Visit Starchaserva's Homepage Send Starchaserva a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think I'll sum it up by paraphrasing an old quote "As a writer, Philip Athans is a great editor" I've read the first book, and a third of the second, and so far, I'm not impressed. I'm going to finish the rest of the trilogy before I make my final judgement. I see a lot of what I consider character inconsistencies, especially with Ivar, whom I didn't even know was the main "hero" until halfway through the first book. As I heard before, he lives in destitution until someone who "matters" suddenly shows up and gives him something to do. I thought it wasn't realistic for him to live in abject squalor, never doing anything to help himself, never going out of his way to talk to people or do anything (outside of building) and then all of a sudden he has the stones to break into Phyrea's house. I was like....where did that come from? Probably the same place the architect learned all his fighting skills, and that Athans has yet to mention
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 02 Jul 2008 :  16:02:08  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Starchaserva
Probably the same place the architect learned all his fighting skills, and that Athans has yet to mention



I guess they offered self-defense classes at his architect's school.

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 03 Jul 2008 :  18:28:22  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I suppose since fighting is partly about angles and pressure points an arcitectual idiot savant could maybe be a decent untrained fighter. But that would be a stretch indeed!

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Ozzalum
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Posted - 03 Jul 2008 :  18:57:09  Show Profile  Visit Ozzalum's Homepage  Send Ozzalum a Yahoo! Message Send Ozzalum a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"I know... If I just kick him in the cornerstones, he'll go down like a pile of bricks!"

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Markustay
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For those of you who have read this work, can someone tell me what 'Berrywilde' is on the map?

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Wooly Rupert
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As I said in your other thread (duplicating it here to make it easier to find in the future): it's Phyrea's family's country estate.

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Markustay
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Thanks Wooly!

I asked in two places because I wasn't sure if too many people actually read my 'Maps' thread (which I stupidly use in 'blog-mode' sometimes, so I can't blame them).

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Caolin
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Here's a fun fact. It's essentially a fantasy retelling of Ayn Rand's The 'Fountainhead' (author's own words). So take that for what it's worth.

https://fantasyhandbook.wordpress.com/2012/10/09/id-like-to-thank-my-parents-ed-greenwood-and-ayn-rand/
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