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Wenin
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 Posted - 19 May 2008 : 17:04:45
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It has occurred to me over the last few weeks that I come here less and less frequently, and it's largely due to my mourning the changes in the Forgotten Realms in 4.0.
I'm left with the knowledge that there isn't much more I can learn about the Realms that has already been, and I'm not interested in the Realms that is to be.
I was wondering if there has been a drop in the traffic to the Keep over the past year.
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 17:21:33
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If anything, I have thought the amount of traffic has increased...not from excitement about what is to come mind you; but instead because of anger.
That is only my personal view. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 18:08:35
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Angry? Who's angry?
Not me, I used to be furious, now I'm rather in the "I don't give a **** about WotC's Realms anymore." mood. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2008 : 18:50:25
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I haven't been here long enough to notice any difference - compared to most boards I frequent this one has always moved rather slow, IMHO.
I do predict a massive wave of activity when the 4e books are released - some with the core next month, and a HUGE amount come August.
Also, WotC has already announced a 'consolidation' of their boards, and are getting rid of the FR ones that exist now. All future posts are to be made in the FR section located on the 4e boards. 
Yes... just one forum... for everything.
So expect a vast migration of their old FR members to other boards, including this one. This is one of the reasons I have been WAY more active here, of late. I can see Candlekeep becoming THE place for old-school Realmslore over the next couple of years.
I have nothing against the folks who will play 4e FR BTW, I just don't feel I will be able to contribute to those boards in any sort of positive way. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2008 : 18:51:40
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| Same here. And I've been coming here at least as often as before, primarily because this is going to be one of the few places where you can still talk about the old Realms (especially once the WotC boards reoganize into something far worse). |
Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2008 : 19:13:40
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| It's morphing into something...terrible! Cue Thriller. |
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Wenin
Senior Scribe
585 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2008 : 19:51:59
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Yeah I haven't gone to the WoTC boards in months, my only activity has been on the PBP board.
Edit: Odd, it says there are only 3 replies on this thread |
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Stem the Tide Takes place in Mistledale.
Dark Curtains - Takes place in the Savage North, starting in Nesmé. I wrapped my campaign into the Hoard of the Dragon Queen, but it takes place in 1372 DR. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 21:09:32
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| Candlekeep's been having technical issues on and off for months. Improper reply counts, forums marked unread when they have new posts, multipage threads going to the second to last page instead of the last page, stuff like that. Nothing that can't be worked around. And, of course, script time outs when trying to respond. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2008 : 01:03:18
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Indeed. Hoondatha is correct. For over a year now, Candlekeep has been experiencing technical problems of the sort that include the now infamous "ASP Scripting Errors." Rest assured Wenin, that we're attempting to deal with the issue. In fact, Alaundo is hopeful that the upgrade to Forum 2 software for Candlekeep will eliminate most, if not all, of the problems we've currently been experiencing.
Until then, we ask you to remain patient. 
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2008 : 01:24:17
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Originally posted by Markustay
Also, WotC has already announced a 'consolidation' of their boards, and are getting rid of the FR ones that exist now. All future posts are to be made in the FR section located on the 4e boards.
Yes... just one forum... for everything.
It's happened already, and feels rather cramped. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2008 : 03:13:44
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Gelcur
Senior Scribe
502 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2008 : 13:31:46
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I can't speak of actual numbers but I know myself I've been visiting more often lately. Normally, a couple of times a day.
I to have decreased my visits to WotCs boards to nothing, to the point where I didn't know they were merging boards. I visit their front page hoping for a FR article and thats about it. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2008 : 14:49:41
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
It's happened already, and feels rather cramped.
So it has.
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 May 2008 : 23:35:29
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One of the things I like about this forum is its lower traffic than the Wizards boards, much of which is idle chatter,blatantly off-topic, or about aspects of the Realms I'm indifferent to. Their folding in of their Realms and Eberron boards is a consistent consequence of their marginalization of settings, no?
If there's not much more you can learn about the Realms, Wenin, you know a hell of a lot more than the rest of us.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2008 : 00:06:08
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Originally posted by Faraer
One of the things I like about this forum is its lower traffic than the Wizards boards, much of which is idle chatter,blatantly off-topic, or about aspects of the Realms I'm indifferent to.
I plead guilty to some of that blatantly off-topic, idle chatter. 
I am curious, however (just curious!), about what aspects of the Realms you're indifferent to.
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Their folding in of their Realms and Eberron boards is a consistent consequence of their marginalization of settings, no?
That's what it feels like. I do think that perhaps we didn't need five seperate boards (for example, the Combat, Arms and Armor board didn't get much traffic, as far as I could tell), but one board doesn't feel like enough. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2008 : 01:09:12
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Originally posted by Faraer
One of the things I like about this forum is its lower traffic than the Wizards boards, much of which is idle chatter,blatantly off-topic, or about aspects of the Realms I'm indifferent to.
To be honest, I've had about enough of that as well. It's one of the reasons why I've been spending less and less time over on the WotC boards. I've even abandoned the SWRPG section, mostly because it's been suffering from much of the same problem. The Wizards Boards have changed a great deal since the early days when I first signed up. And I don't feel like there's actually much of a reason for me to bother continuing my presence there. 
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3737 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2008 : 03:31:00
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Originally posted by Faraer
Their folding in of their Realms and Eberron boards is a consistent consequence of their marginalization of settings, no?
-Incorrect. Because of WotC's 'Gleemax' venture, the WotC forums have slowly been changing for a good year-and-a-half to two years. Recently, 'Gleemax' was integrated with the rest of the WotC forums, rather than being a seperate but equal entity. As a measure to save bandwith, numerous forums were consolidated and/or eliminated all together.
-Because the Forgotten Realms, as well as Eberron, the "Other" campaign settings, and various other sections, had traffic that resulted in less than 50 active threads in 24 hours, the section was consolidated from six mildly active sections (I counted about 30 in total) to one very active section. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2008 : 14:31:38
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"One very active section"
An understatement.
Now, if you post a question there, you had better check back within 24 hours, else your reply could get pushed back a page or two.
Plus, I can't find my Kara-Tur or Utter East threads - they didn't survive the move, and I never got around to copying it all into a document.
I started to with the Ue thread, but only did a page or two, and now its all gone (or at least, well hidden). I wonder if they will be gleening them for ideas - in the old Maztica thread, I had postulated that Maztica was where the Old Dragon Empires survived the longest, and that the Maztican Gods were REALLY Draconic deities with aliases. Now I see they made Maztica's replacement a place where the old Dragon Empires survived much longer... 
In a way, its a good thing, I suppose. Now I won't be tempted to create any new Realmslore again - I can make a clean break...
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 May 2008 : 16:11:17
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I plead guilty to some of that blatantly off-topic, idle chatter.
In general, I don't think it's fair (especially to the non-posting majority) for half a dozen people to take over threads with IRC-style chat, though I'm not innocent of it either.quote:
I am curious, however (just curious!), about what aspects of the Realms you're indifferent to.
For instance, the gods as distinct from their worshippers, all the inauthentic accretions and most of the ongoing timeline, rules quibbling, Karsus and Henson-Netheril, and overall the freaky exceptions (novel characters, weird PC races/classes) out of context from the overall setting.quote:
I do think that perhaps we didn't need five seperate boards (for example, the Combat, Arms and Armor board didn't get much traffic, as far as I could tell), but one board doesn't feel like enough.
I think there were two many boards there before: I never understood the distinction between 'general' and 'people and places', and the 'arms and armor' board was never more than half on-topic.
Candlekeep has a few too many divisions for my taste, too.quote:
Originally posted by Dagnirion
As a measure to save bandwith, numerous forums were consolidated and/or eliminated all together.
Regardless of the literal immediate cause of the decision, which neither of us knows for sure, it certainly is consistent with the near-cancellation of the Realms RPG line and abandonment of the logo/brand. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5692 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2008 : 18:54:31
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Originally posted by The Sage
At least there's still Candlekeep.
Well met
Aye, listen to the Sage  No matter what, all previous versions of FR are FULLY supported here at Candlekeep. There will certainly be no chambers closed within these halls! |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2008 : 18:55:55
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Originally posted by Markustay
"One very active section"
An understatement.
Now, if you post a question there, you had better check back within 24 hours, else your reply could get pushed back a page or two.
Plus, I can't find my Kara-Tur or Utter East threads - they didn't survive the move, and I never got around to copying it all into a document.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2008 : 19:49:09
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You actually went and searched for them?
I was going to do that when I got home - I've been away for over a week. I figured it was rather pointless to start any 'projects' where I am now (on someone else's computer).
The links I had to those threads were on my Comp, so I just assumed they wouldn't work, since the Forums addresses have all been changed...
what did you use? Their near-useless search function?
Anyhow, thank you very much - I want to cobble all of that stuff into PDF's, even if I never get around to organizing it, at least the info will still be (buried) there. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 21 May 2008 : 21:55:28
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Originally posted by Markustay
"One very active section"
An understatement.
Now, if you post a question there, you had better check back within 24 hours, else your reply could get pushed back a page or two.
-Not really, actually. One half, to three quarters of the page are new, and the rest are not, dating back to about 12-24 hours.
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Originally posted by MarkustayPlus, I can't find my Kara-Tur or Utter East threads - they didn't survive the move, and I never got around to copying it all into a document.
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 21 May 2008 : 21:57:11
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quote:
Originally posted by FaraerRegardless of the literal immediate cause of the decision, which neither of us knows for sure, it certainly is consistent with the near-cancellation of the Realms RPG line and abandonment of the logo/brand.
-Of course, I do know that what I said is correct, as these were the reasons given, and we have no reason to believe that they were arbitrarily lying (though, they WotC management does do that). Thus...
-And, the last time I checked, the Forgotten Realms were not canceled, nor were they being abandonded. Inherently changed, yes, but the Forgotten Realms are still the Forgotten Realms. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 May 2008 : 23:15:11
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Originally posted by Markustay
You actually went and searched for them?
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what did you use? Their near-useless search function?
The world may never know... |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2008 : 23:22:31
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-Look in your subscriptions. It's not that hard, come on.
That is, of course, assuming that he actually *uses* subscriptions. I certainly don't, and plenty of others don't as well. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 01:44:46
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Originally posted by Faraer
Candlekeep has a few too many divisions for my taste, too.
Interesting. How would you re-organise the Forum divisions here at Candlekeep?
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 02:00:06
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Originally posted by Faraer
For instance, the gods as distinct from their worshippers, all the inauthentic accretions and most of the ongoing timeline, rules quibbling, Karsus and Henson-Netheril, and overall the freaky exceptions (novel characters, weird PC races/classes) out of context from the overall setting.
*laughs* Understood. I can definitely say that my eyes tend to glaze over when a discussion turns to nitty-gritty rules. Oh well. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 02:02:13
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Faraer
Candlekeep has a few too many divisions for my taste, too.
Interesting. How would you re-organise the Forum divisions here at Candlekeep?
I'm not Faraer, but I was thinking maybe "Realms Events" doesn't need it's own seperate forum? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 22 May 2008 : 02:16:55
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer
Candlekeep has a few too many divisions for my taste, too.
Interesting. How would you re-organise the Forum divisions here at Candlekeep?
I'd rename a couple of them, myself. I find it confusing, sometimes, having the Chamber of Sages and the Sages of Realmslore sections. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 May 2008 : 02:38:05
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
That is, of course, assuming that he actually *uses* subscriptions. I certainly don't, and plenty of others don't as well.
-Anytime you post in a thread, you are automatically "subscribed" to it. That is the 'default'. |
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Decreased traffic over the past year?
