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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 :  12:32:35  Show Profile  Visit Athairgi_the_Child-Eater's Homepage Send Athairgi_the_Child-Eater a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
O, ye learned sages...

I, Athairgi, eater of children, have a question for thee...

In what year was Baldur's Gate founded?

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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 :  13:35:10  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't know if it's ever been stated what year it was founded... The earliest reference I found on a quick search was -52DR, the Year of the Poisoned Pens, when it was hit by a plague. So it's been around at least 1400 years.

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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 13 Apr 2008 13:38:54
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George Krashos
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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 :  13:45:42  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmm, I'm not sure that reference os one from any official products. I always had it founded in the early 300s DR based on this lore from Ed on Shavinar:

"The realm of Shavinar was founded in the Year of the Raised Banner (227 DR) by a local adventurer, Orluth Tshahvur (possibly-exaggerated bards’ ballads describe him as a “swift sword” who “won many blood victories” and was smart as well as deadly in battle), in an attempt to unite human steadings (ranches and farms) for common defense against marauding monsters, frequent troll raids, and outlaws cast out of more southerly Sword Coast cities.

Tshahvur built a crude keep near what is now Baldur’s Gate (and was then a nameless cluster of fisherfolk huts), lured a shipwright fleeing from Calishite persecution to settle, and established what was really a pirate port: he was ruthless with anyone who used violence against anyone else there, but otherwise “welcomed all and let anything pass.”

The place became known as Gaeth (the Thorass local word for “rivermouth” or “inlet”), the obvious derivation of the “gate” part of the name “Baldur’s Gate” today. Gaeth was home to perhaps 120 people (dwelling in fieldstone-and-thatch or wood-and-thatch huts, situated on three wandering dirt streets) when “Lord Tshahvur of Shavinar” died (in 242 DR), an iron-hard man worn out by almost countless hard riding and harder sword-swinging, as he fought trolls, trolls, and more trolls to keep Shavinar from being overrun.

Orluth’s son, the proud and pompous King Arlsar (chiefly remembered for his indefatigable wenching ways and his mirror-bright, gem-studded, ornate “show” suit of plate armour) inherited a kingdom that stretched from the sea-mouth of the northbank River Chionthar along the coast as far north as the Troll Hills, and “four days’ ride” east (probably 80 to 100 miles, as we moderns would reckon it). Arlsar abandoned most of his father’s hilltop forts (little more than ring-ditches around summits that sported barrow-like “weather shelter” chambers) as too expensive (along with the warriors who defended them; as they fell in fighting, they weren’t replaced), and during his short reign Shavinar shrunk - - under persistent troll and outlaw raids - - to less than forty miles across.
Arlsar was murdered by ambitious merchants (who’d begun to settle in Gaeth in some numbers, to carry on all manner of business too unsavoury or too highly taxed to be profitable “back home” in Calimshan and the Tashalar) in 256 DR, and the realm almost disintegrated in the struggle for power that followed.

A cabal of local families viciously poisoned and stabbed various outlander merchants to put forward one of Arlsar’s many sons to be king. The glib-tongued, handsome, promise-all Raulovan reigned for four months before one of the Calishite factions ended his pretty words forever - - but a wizard who’d settled on the coastal headlands had grown weary of all the strife, and started spellslaying claimants to the throne and the outlanders promoting them, clearing the way for Arlsar’s youngest son, sometimes called “Stonehead” for his terse manner and slow speech: Kondarar.

No one disputes that Kondarar was King in every sense of the manner: just, firm, and a tireless mountain of a man whose strength could overmatch most monsters in blade-to-blade battle, he almost single-handedly kept Shavinar in existence (just as his grandsire had done, by spending his days in the saddle, hewing trolls wherever he found them) from his ascension in late 256 DR to when it all ended in 277 DR, and Shavinar was swept away (Gaeth and all) by trolls and “monsters beyond numbering, all wandering in their own snarling bands.”

In short, Shavinar was typical of hundreds of short-lived realms in Faerûn, that have risen and fallen again down the years: they founder if the successors to those who establish them are not stronger - - or far luckier - - than their predecessors."

-- George Krashos

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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 :  23:11:46  Show Profile  Visit Athairgi_the_Child-Eater's Homepage Send Athairgi_the_Child-Eater a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You sure are amazing! Even though an exact year could not be confirmed(not yet, anyhow), I thank you, very much! I'm hoping to use this information for a campaign set some time after the Gate's foundation, you see.

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Posted - 17 Nov 2018 :  17:03:31  Show Profile  Visit Asharak's Homepage Send Asharak a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The first mention I found about Baldur's Gate is in Calimport (tsr9589) :

-16 Year of the Poisoned Pens
The Plague of Scholars (Plague): All cities across southern Faerûn, as far north as Baldur's Gate.

But this is probably just a geographic indication.

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Edited by - Asharak on 17 Nov 2018 17:09:16
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Posted - 17 Nov 2018 :  21:46:39  Show Profile  Visit perlmugp's Homepage Send perlmugp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
According to several sources Baldur's Gate was founded by Balduran, a seafarer who had traveled past Evermeet in search of Anchorome. We brought back treasure and founded Baldur's Gate. According to a couple of dates in the Grand History this founding appears to have happened somewhere in the large span of time between 227DR, where there is a mention of the future site of Baldur's Gate, and 865DR where something is mentioned happening near Baldur's Gate. This is probably an actual mention of Baldur's Gate proper since there is mention a short time later under the entry for 931DR to a caravan hailing from Baldur's Gate.

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Posted - 18 Nov 2018 :  05:32:40  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Candlekeep is awfully close to Baldur's Gate. They must have a lot of shared history or influences on each other, lol.

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Posted - 29 Feb 2020 :  01:20:35  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Learned Scribe Asharak,

I think you are likely correct. That is a really specific listing, and I confirmed that set of dates are in fact in DR. They are in DR.

Very unusual. It doesn't make any reference to Shavinar. It blatantly says Baldur's Gate, not near present day Baldur's Gate.

Thoughts anyone?

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Originally posted by Asharak

The first mention I found about Baldur's Gate is in Calimport (tsr9589) :

-16 Year of the Poisoned Pens
The Plague of Scholars (Plague): All cities across southern Faerûn, as far north as Baldur's Gate.

But this is probably just a geographic indication.

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