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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 18:08:30
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Poll Question:
I've heard it mentioned by several scribes here at Candlekeep that Epic level spells are useless. So I put it to the whole community.
Are Epic level Spells useless?
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 18:15:22
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| As I don't play 3ed. I probably should not answer this, but from what I have seen the spells (lacking better words) seem insane. On the other side, the answer to any question like this would wholly depend on the campaign. |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
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Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 18:15:49
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In my opinion :NO.
I mean that it must be spells which are available to characters with epic characteristics..
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BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 18:46:44
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I don't think they are useless, but they really should have a point in a campaign. Their costs are absurd, as are the results.
I think if, say, a villian were trying to do one of these and the PCs are trying to stop it - or if the PCs were helping some allies do something to save a great culture, yeah, go for it. But I think it's a bit dangerous in the hands of PCs.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 20:14:58
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| Who said epic level spells were useless? I didn't get the impression that was a commonly accepted belief, here. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 20:45:32
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| Yeah, I certainly don't think they are useless, but they are a bit odd to try to use as they stand now. You can do it, but you can easily have a spell that is impossible to cast along with a spell that has some really unforseen and overly powerful repercussions. The epic magic system didn't get used much, so I don't think it got the fine tuning that it could have otherwise. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 13:24:40
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| Depends on the spell of course. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 15:12:37
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| Is there any spell that's truly useless? I think it's a matter of what spells are versatile and what spells are useful only under a narrow set of circumstances rather than a matter of what spells are "useless". |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 15:53:30
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I vote for no. Any spell have his use. The DM, or the player, have only to know the when / how / where and why.  |
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sirreus
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 20:42:00
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| i must say since the day 3.0 came out my party has never even been interested in an epic spell, however a good dm/pc communication could achieve almost anything. |
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BlackDragonKarameikos
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 05 May 2008 : 00:03:34
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I have to say as well, it probably depends on the spell and how it is being used.
It also depends on if the characters are high enough to use Epic-Level Spells or not. |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2008 : 13:05:20
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Originally posted by BlackDragonKarameikos
I have to say as well, it probably depends on the spell and how it is being used.
It also depends on if the characters are high enough to use Epic-Level Spells or not.
the assumption for a character that can cast epic level spells is that he/she is epic level. |
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2008 : 14:29:05
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| Depends on the spell... |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 05 May 2008 : 23:59:59
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Epic spells are great. Some complain about their cost: I say, as a DM, that the high cost is a GREAT IDEA! That way, I don't have a player bugging me at every game session about a new Epic spell... instead, they take their time, think it through and through, and when they're really sure about it, they come to me so I can review it and approve it. An epic spell is a labor of love, and this should be represented out of game somewhat by all the hard work the player goes through to develop it. The high costs also prevent "low twenties" PCs to get their hands on these, and shunts the whole Epic spell idea more towards levels 30-50, which is great IMHO.
And for those who constantly remind us all that most Epic spells can be replicated or exceeded, damage-wise, by metamagicked spells memorized in 10th, 11th or 12th-level slots via Improved Spell Capacity, I say poo!! Not everyone wants to waste feats on additional spell slots (i.e. a lot of high level casters in my campaign are instead going for things like Epic Leadership, Automatic Quicken series feat, Great Intelligence or Great Wisdom, feats that give you Spell-like abilities, feats that boost your familiar, etc.) |
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Koncopd
Acolyte
Russia
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Posted - 08 May 2008 : 11:31:21
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| I think in some situations there can be need in these powerful high-costed spells. |
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Epic Level Spells(3E)
