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Hawkins
Great Reader
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 Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 17:40:07
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I was thinking about ways that they could trim the pantheon without causing too much of a fuss (IMO). One way that I came up with is if the murder of Mystra sparked a Godswar. Rich Baker already stated that it is likely that Selune re-absorbed bits of her power that went into the creation of Mystryl long, long ago in her primordial conflict with Shar. Suppose that after re-absorbing this power, she ignited a Godswar, light against darknes, good versus evil, et cetera, et cetera. This, in addition to the Spellplague (or instead of the Spellplague) could have torn apart the cosmology so it had to be rebuilt. Also, I thought that it would be interesting to speculate who would be on each side, who would play both sides, and who would try to stay utterly neutral. Another fun speculation could be who would die, and which deities would pick up their lost portfolios after their death.
To begin, obviously, you would have Shar on one side (evil/darkness) and Selune on the other (good/light). And Mask would definitely be playing both sides (while also trying to figure out how to sneak in and kill Cyric while he is under house arrest).
EDIT: Even with a Godswar to explain where all the missing deities went, this still would not satisfy my great upset that they are going to retcon some racial deities into aspects of human deities.  (i.e. When Rich hinted that Gruumsh might just be an aspect of Talos.)
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 18:30:05
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Hmm a long time ago elves tried to teach humans Elven High Magic, instead they chose another path (Mystra) instead. Wit her dead races appear to be offered two choices Shadow Weave or Elven Magic(that for some reason appears not to be Weave anymore, perhaps Fey Magic?)leading to a Elven Deity of magic being looked to for magic from others races. Change clearly is one reason for upset, but at least having an answer might make some changes easier to live with.
Of course my idea might not be design team idea of why Corellon has an increase of non Elven worshipers. |
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Spree Thunderheart
Acolyte
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 23:00:05
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Hmm a long time ago elves tried to teach humans Elven High Magic, instead they chose another path (Mystra) instead. Wit her dead races appear to be offered two choices Shadow Weave or Elven Magic(that for some reason appears not to be Weave anymore, perhaps Fey Magic?)leading to a Elven Deity of magic being looked to for magic from others races. Change clearly is one reason for upset, but at least having an answer might make some changes easier to live with.
Of course my idea might not be design team idea of why Corellon has an increase of non Elven worshipers.
I was also thinking about the magic issue. The Imaskari developed a source of magic that had nothing to do with any deity’s. I also believe they didn't have any restraints on there magic (the 9th level limit). Maybe this is the source for 4th Ed. magic.
This is a bit off topic but do you think that a lot of mages went mad because they tried to tap into the Shadow weave?
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 01:16:24
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Originally posted by Spree Thunderheart
This is a bit off topic but do you think that a lot of mages went mad because they tried to tap into the Shadow weave?
Not likely, insanity is not one of the symptoms listed of tapping into the Shadow Weave, in fact, the only symptom I know rules wise is that you can no longer tap into the Weave (though 'delusions of grandeur' could arguably be a metagame symptom). I think it has more to be with the reasons given by designers, the interface with which they accessed the weave, and the goddess who personifies it are all of a sudden gone. I see it as an effect (though more drastic) similar to being ejected from the Matrix. Also, considering that the Spellplague is a physical manifestation, it could also be that they came into contact with it. And as you said, it is off topic, and I would like to reserve this thread for the speculations mentioned in the first post. |
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He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
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Daviot
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 01:17:22
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| Hawkins, it's a rather good way to explain things, in my opinion. Perhaps some of the battles from the Time of Troubles and its godswar left festering grudges and plots (Cyric's dislike of Mystra, etc.), so that this second godswar in the Year of Blue Fire might be analogous to the Second World War having its roots at the end of the First World/Great War. It's certainly something to ponder and one that a good DM could have a field day with. ~_^ |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2008 : 08:09:36
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Originally posted by Daviot
Hawkins, it's a rather good way to explain things, in my opinion. Perhaps some of the battles from the Time of Troubles and its godswar left festering grudges and plots (Cyric's dislike of Mystra, etc.), so that this second godswar in the Year of Blue Fire might be analogous to the Second World War having its roots at the end of the First World/Great War. It's certainly something to ponder and one that a good DM could have a field day with. ~_^
Didn't also Cyric learned of Mystra's true name, Ariel? When they were human, Cyric overheard Midnight telling Kelemvor.
Maybe this was something that allowed Cyric to kill Mystra. |
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Wooly Rupert
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2008 : 17:27:10
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I would imagine that deities are beyond true names...
Well, it was just one of those things that was mentioned in the novel Waterdeep that seemed to me to be something that would have consequences in the future.
The passage from the book:
"For an instant, Cyric was afraid of Midnight's threat. Then, the thief remembered that he knew the mage's true name, Ariel Manx. He smiled weakly and wondered if that would have any power over Midnight now that she was a goddess. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Feb 2008 : 17:57:57
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That novel seems to have a wonky idea of what "true names" are, anyway. "Ariel Manx" was Midnight's given name (I believe), not her true name, which would have been well hidden. Besides, her mortal true name might not even apply anymore, thanks to Mystra's godhood.
If "Ariel Manx" is Mystra's true name, than "Cyric" would be Cyric's true name. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Feb 2008 : 18:19:19
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Originally posted by DDH_101
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I would imagine that deities are beyond true names...
Well, it was just one of those things that was mentioned in the novel Waterdeep that seemed to me to be something that would have consequences in the future.
The passage from the book:
"For an instant, Cyric was afraid of Midnight's threat. Then, the thief remembered that he knew the mage's true name, Ariel Manx. He smiled weakly and wondered if that would have any power over Midnight now that she was a goddess.
It's implied that it maight be an issue, but even there Cyric isn't sure if it would work.
With the way deities are so far beyond mortals, I wouldn't imagine that the true name of an ascended mortal would have any bearing. A deity might not even notice someone trying to pull something there. |
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Arkham
Acolyte
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Posted - 27 Jun 2010 : 06:28:15
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Hmm a long time ago elves tried to teach humans Elven High Magic, instead they chose another path (Mystra) instead. Wit her dead races appear to be offered two choices Shadow Weave or Elven Magic(that for some reason appears not to be Weave anymore, perhaps Fey Magic?)leading to a Elven Deity of magic being looked to for magic from others races. Change clearly is one reason for upset, but at least having an answer might make some changes easier to live with.
Of course my idea might not be design team idea of why Corellon has an increase of non Elven worshipers.
Though a Weaver falls, the tapestry stays.
Only under strong gale will the standard
Unfold fully in a glorious blaze,
When lifted by the fully enamored.
Even so, the woven will not be taut.
A million hands could not make it so
Overly large and intricately wrought
That two deities should bring so much woe.
We are children hidden beneath a sheet,
Raising our arms upward, seeking a path
In darkness, hoping, praying, to meet
Our savior, while wading through the aftermath.
The magic is here, though its master is gone,
We sit in the abyss, awaiting dawn.
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