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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 01 Dec 2016 :  09:48:05  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gelcur

Wooly the link from 2009 no longer seems to work. Do you have an updated link? Or an updated RTF file I can snag?

P.S. My god I have missed THO's replies to things. Very thrilled I stumbled on to this one.



Was that the link to my own updated version of the Roll of Years? If so, I'll have to see where I parked that file and throw it up on my site.

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NieveMac
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Posted - 09 Mar 2018 :  08:55:13  Show Profile Send NieveMac a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So, long-time reader, first-time registering and posting! I'm necro-ing this thread because after going over the calendar tool, the Forgotten Realms Wiki, and the Grand History of the Realms, I've found some more errata or discrepancies which have not been mentioned, and I wanted to bring them up so they can be addressed.

* The years -289 and -208 are both listed as the Year of Shattered Havens on the Forgotten Realms Wiki; in the calendar tool -289 is listed as the Year of Spiteful Stones, -208 as Shattered Havens. -289 has an entry in the Grand History of the Realms however (where it is listed as Shattered Havens), and the entry concerns the people of Thindol being enslaved by the yuan-ti, so I think this fits the year name better. In which case -208 (which has no Grand History entry) should be Spiteful Stones.
* 88, the Year of the Mortified Monk, and 108 the Year of the Flood are switched in the calendar tool, but they are correct on the Forgotten Realms Wiki and 108 has an entry in the Grand History (wherein, naturally enough, Unthalass gets flooded).
* -64 and 64 are both listed as the Year of Gleaming Frost on the Forgotten Realms Wiki and in the Grand History (and yes, there's an entry for both years). However the calendar tool lists 64 as the Year of the Boisterous Orc. Neither year really helps much in terms of events, but since -64 is when Rystall Wood falls to giants and orcs (and boisterous really makes me think more of partying and carousing, not invading and conquering), I think Gleaming Frost is probably better for it (and apparently referring to something completely different), and Boisterous Orc can be kept for 64 as it is in the calendar tool.
* -33 is listed as the Year of Slowing Sands in the Grand History, but both the Forgotten Realms Wiki and the calendar tool say it is the Year of the Harpist's Delight and that instead it is 33 which is the Year of Slowing Sands. The Grand History event listed relates to Asram, one of the Netherese survivor states, but it concerns Talona's plague, not anything about the slowing growth of the Anauroch Desert. The fact both the wiki and calendar tool have the year names switched makes me think that should be the correct names, and since it isn't until 329 when Hlondath is abandoned that Anauroch ceases spreading, I don't think Slowing Sands really fits either year. 33 is also listed as the Harpist's Delight in Lost Empires, so clearly it's the Grand History that is wrong.
* 285 is listed as the Year of Wasteful Pride in both the Grand History and on the Forgotten Realms Wiki, but in the calendar tool it's "Wasted".
* 737 is listed as the Year of the Winded Herald in the Grand History, but the wiki and the calendar tool list it as the Year of the Purple Worm.
* 742 is listed as the Year of Comrades-at-Arms in the Grand History and the Forgotten Realms Wiki, but in the calendar tool it's the Year of the Wavering Voice.
* 936 is listed as the Year of Sky Raiders in both the Grand History and the Forgotten Realms Wiki, but in the calendar tool it's "Riders."
* 1102 is listed as the Year of the Chaste in both the Grand History and the Forgotten Realms Wiki, but in the calendar tool it's "Chaste Maiden."
* 1209 and 1212 are both listed as the Year of the Blazing Banner in the Grand History and the wiki; the calendar tool lists 1212 as the Year of Ocean's Wrath.

Hope that helps!
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George Krashos
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Posted - 10 Mar 2018 :  05:49:39  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm pretty sure we went through this over ten years ago with Steven Schend's assistance on the old Listserv Realms-L. The Roll of Years on my HD is as follows. I'm not saying mine is definitive, but it's the one Ed uses:

-289 Year of Spiteful Stones
-208 Year of Shattered Havens
-64 Year of Gleaming Frost
-33 Year of the Harpist's Delight
33 Year of Slowing Sands
64 Year of the Boisterous Orc
88 Year of the Flood
108 Year of the Mortified Monk
285 Year of Wasted Pride
737 Year of the Purple Wyrm
742 Year of the Wavering Voice
936 Year of the Sky Riders
1102 Year of the Chaste Maiden
1209 Year of the Blazing Banners
1212 Year of Ocean's Wrath

The original Roll of Years that Steven Schend released had a few missing years, double ups and errors. That's what Brian's original GHotR web project was based on and not all the errors were picked up. Those errors were translated into the print GHotR and weren't picked up in editing once again - although given it was a rushed project that isn't surprising.

I note that there are the following apocryphal year names floating around in the published Realms:

Year of Swordforging Polyhedron #67, p.22
Year of the Black Shield Polyhedron #79, p.7
Year of the Snarling Snowleopard Polyhedron #80, p.6
Year of the Black Axe Polyhedron #81, p.8
Year of the Black Banner Polyhedron #82, p.22
Year of Rising Winds Polyhedron #83, p.29
Year of Falling Stones Polyhedron #84, p.19
Year of the Torch Polyhedron #87, p.8
Year of the Unicorn Polyhedron #86, p.17
Year of Many Hawks Polyhedron #85, p.6
Year of the Hunting Hawk Halls of the High King, p.2
Year of Dark Frost Crown of Fire, p.208
Year of Rising Mist Crown of Fire, p.286
Year of the Gorgon Moon Elminster: The Making of a Mage, p.51

The first of these was suggested by me as an option to fix a double up in the original Roll and became 977DR.

As per Wooly's 2008 post on this thread 107 DR in my Roll has beome the Year of Many Hawks and 1176 DR has become the Year of Tattered Banners.

These were taken from the apocryphal names noted above.

Ed has stated that various regions of the Realms have localised year names to commemorate special events, etc., so make of the apocryphal names what you will.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

Edited by - George Krashos on 10 Mar 2018 06:06:19
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George Krashos
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Posted - 10 Mar 2018 :  06:06:28  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm pretty sure we went through this over ten years ago with Steven Schend's assistance on the old Listserv Realms-L. The Roll of Years on my HD is as follows. I'm not saying mine is definitive, but it's the one Ed uses:

-289 Year of Spiteful Stones
-208 Year of Shattered Havens
-64 Year of Gleaming Frost
-33 Year of the Harpist's Delight
33 Year of Slowing Sands
64 Year of the Boisterous Orc
88 Year of the Flood
108 Year of the Mortified Monk
285 Year of Wasted Pride
737 Year of the Purple Wyrm
742 Year of the Wavering Voice
936 Year of the Sky Riders
1102 Year of the Chaste Maiden
1209 Year of the Blazing Banners
1212 Year of Ocean's Wrath

The original Roll of Years that Steven Schend released had a few missing years, double ups and errors. That's what Brian's original GHotR web project was based on and not all the errors were picked up. Those errors were translated into the print GHotR and weren't picked up in editing once again - although given it was a rushed project that isn't surprising.

I note that there are the following apocryphal year names floating around in the published Realms:

Year of Swordforging Polyhedron #67, p.22
Year of the Black Shield Polyhedron #79, p.7
Year of the Snarling Snowleopard Polyhedron #80, p.6
Year of the Black Axe Polyhedron #81, p.8
Year of the Black Banner Polyhedron #82, p.22
Year of Rising Winds Polyhedron #83, p.29
Year of Falling Stones Polyhedron #84, p.19
Year of the Torch Polyhedron #87, p.8
Year of the Unicorn Polyhedron #86, p.17
Year of Many Hawks Polyhedron #85, p.6
Year of the Hunting Hawk Halls of the High King, p.2
Year of Dark Frost Crown of Fire, p.208
Year of Rising Mist Crown of Fire, p.286
Year of the Gorgon Moon Elminster: The Making of a Mage, p.51

The first of these was suggested by me as an option to fix a double up in the original Roll and became 977DR. Ed has stated that various regions of the Realms have localised year names to commemorate special events, etc., so make of the apocryphal names what you will.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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Brian R. James
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Posted - 12 Mar 2018 :  15:32:38  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Grand History has errors!? That won't stand. Time to publish a follow up packed with twice the lore!

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Brimstone
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Bring it on.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 12 Mar 2018 :  23:08:07  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

The Grand History has errors!? That won't stand. Time to publish a follow up packed with twice the lore!



You know what.... I can tell you right now Brian, if you continued the Grand History just gathering other canon lore and posting it to DM's Guild that I'd be lined up to buy. In fact, a Post Spellplague update to the grand history leading into 5e would be very welcome.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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Brimstone
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Yep, what Sleyvas said...

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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NieveMac
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Posted - 14 Mar 2018 :  08:30:50  Show Profile Send NieveMac a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the explanations and answers, Mr. Krashos, they help a lot!
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George Krashos
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Posted - 14 Mar 2018 :  09:30:21  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NieveMac

Thanks for the explanations and answers, Mr. Krashos, they help a lot!



No problem. And it's George. And to paraphrase the esteemed Mr Greenwood, "we ... ahem ... live for this stuff".

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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