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Asharak
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Posted - 09 Dec 2008 :  18:18:21  Show Profile  Visit Asharak's Homepage Send Asharak a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Year of Bloodied Orphreys, –216

I found this on The Free Dictionary :

or.phrey (ôrfr) also or·fray (-fr)
n. pl. or·phreys also or·frays
1. A band of elaborate embroidery decorating the front of certain ecclesiastical vestments.
2. Elaborate embroidery, especially when made of gold.

[Middle English orfrey, alteration of orfreis, from Old French, from Medieval Latin aurifrigium : Latin aurum, gold + Latin Phrygius, Phrygian.]

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Asharak
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Year of the Pernicon, 545

I founf this on Monstrous Manual tsr2140

Pernicon (insect)

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Asharak
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Year of the Purring Pard, –274

I found this on Wiktionary :

English
Etymology
From Middle English parde, from Latin pardus, from Ancient Greek #960;#940;#961;#948;#959;#962; (pardos)

pard (plural pards)

1. A leopard; a panther.

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Asharak
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Year of the Reremouse, 166

Definition from Wiktionary

reremouse (plural rearmice)

1. Obsolete spelling of rearmouse, a bat.

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Good info, on all of them. I shall strike them from my list.

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Asharak
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Year of the Corrie Fist, 450

TheFreeDictionary :

cor·rie (kôr, kr)
n.
A round hollow in a hillside; a cirque.
[Scottish Gaelic coire, hollow, cauldron, from Old Irish, cauldron, whirlpool.]

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

It's just that I'm trying to understand what some of these things are. Not necessarily to have any lore to attach to the year, just to understand the name of the year. Shandon Eyes does sound poetic and all, but what does Shandon mean in the Realms? What's a medyox or a pernicon? What is eloene?
That's what I mean. It may even be difficult to understand some of the more confusing names themselves because the particular aspects they are referencing were set down in the Realmslore long ago, and have yet to be fully explored in the material. Or the person/people responsible for those particular year names had ideas about what they could refer to at the time of compiling the Roll of Years, and then forgot all about them.

As it is, I sometimes tend to view the Roll of Years as an archaic source of information about the Realms as it was back when the Roll was first put together. There may have been a lot of good ideas and references floating around at the time that were incorporated into it, and then either ignored, forgotten, or simply cast aside as progress on the setting's design shifted elsewhere.
quote:
I'm not saying these things are errors, but they are entries that stand out for using what appear to be non-Realms terms. I want to know what these words mean in general, not in regards to the specific year.
Agreed.

And aye. But as I said above, the general meanings of some of these strange words and references may have had meanings before. Unfortunately though, whatever they may have referred to may simply have been forgotten or the reason for their reference in the Roll of Years, ignored. And that may make it difficult to completely ascertain what their meanings are.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Well, I'd not remove the word. I'd just do something like either move it to the end (Prince, the, 1357) or -- more likely -- put the "the"'s in a separate column. They'd still be next to the year name, but they'd be one column over -- so the Prince would be between Prideful Tales and the Prisoner Unfettered, instead of the Preying Griffon and the Prisoner Unfettered.

Or for a better example... The way the list currently is, if I want to find when the Year of Blinding Lightning is, and I'm not sure if it includes the "the" or not, I've got to look under the "B's" and then under the "the B's". Separated the "the" as a factor -- but still having it as part of the name -- would mean you look in one place.

And actually, I don't even have to separat them out... I could alphabetize them without the "the"'s and then add them back in... But that still leaves the question of whether or not I should.

I think I prefer "the better example."

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Asharak
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Posted - 10 Dec 2008 :  20:06:35  Show Profile  Visit Asharak's Homepage Send Asharak a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Year of the Unshriven, 686

From MSN Encarta :

not granted absolution: not having confessed sins to a priest and been given absolution

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Asharak
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Year of the Orb Obsidious, 85

obsidious adjective. rare. E17.
[from Latin obsidium siege, from obsidere: see OBSESS, -IOUS.]
Besieging; besetting.


Definition from:http://www.inoveu.com/obsidious.shtml

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Wooly Rupert
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Recapping this list of oddball entries, having removed all the words Asharak has found (thanks for that! )...

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Year of the Adomal Tapestry, 1518
Year of the Armarel, 1210
Year of Arumae, –366
Year of the Bored Phylls, 1522
Year of the Carnivorose, 315 (A meat-eating rose?)
Year of the Eloene Bride, 548
Year of the Exploding Orl, 861
Year of the Falling Maeran, 921
Year of Glassharks, –310 (A contraction of glass sharks, perhaps?)
Year of the Gulagoar, 1316
Year of the Hungry Anelace, 597 (Analace or anlace, perhaps?)
Year of the Jasmal Blade, 851
Year of the Luminar Procession, 1127
Year of Medyoxes, –385
Year of Neomen Swords, 1448
Year of the Normiir, 611
Year of the Ormage, 102 (a contraction of orm and mage?)
Year of Rampaging Raaserpents, 699
Year of the Rising Maeran, 904
Year of the Sarune, 1206
Year of Sumbril, –217
Year of the Volanth, 655 (Volant, perhaps?)
Year of Windragons, –237 (another odd contraction, perhaps?)
Year of the Shandon Eyes, 741
Year of the Shandon Veil, 962
Year of the Sinhala, 916


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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 12 Dec 2008 20:58:09
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Asharak
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Posted - 10 Dec 2008 :  21:11:14  Show Profile  Visit Asharak's Homepage Send Asharak a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Happy if all these help
another one :

Year of the Hungry Anelace, 597


an#8901;e#8901;lace
#8194;
–noun
a short sword having a double-edged blade tapering sharply to a point: worn by civilians from the 13th to the 16th centuries.
Also, anlace.

Origin:
1250–1300; ME an(e)las < OF ale(s)naz (by metathesis), deriv. of alesne awl < OHG alasna. See awl
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
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Well, according to wiki, a Luminar is a species of animorphs that "can burn its victims to ash from a few feet away"

So I guess that means that someone was a closet Animorphs fan.
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I would guess that the Year of Raging Raaserpents is referring to the Egyptian (and decease Mulhorandi) deity Ra. I don't know exactly what year Ra was killed in the Realms, but its the only logical explanation I can come up with.
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Asharak
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Year of the Sinhala, 916

On Wiktionary:

Etymology

Sanskrit #2360;#2367;#2306;#2361;#2354; (si#7747;hala), from #2360;#2367;#2306;#2361; (si#7747;há), “‘lion’”) + suffix -la that is speculatively connected to Sanskrit verbal root #8730;l#257; (“‘to seize’”) and thus the phrase would originally mean "lion-seizer" or "lion-killer", or it could be connected to Sanskrit #2354;#2379;#2361; (lohá), “‘blood’”) which would then render the phrase as "lion blood". The only thing that can with certainty be said is that this word is somehow connected with the term for lion.

According to legend, Sinhabahu or S#299;hab#257;hu ("Lion-arms"), was the son of a Vanga princess and a lion. He killed his father and became king of Vanga. His son Vijaya would emigrate to Lank#257; and become the progenitor of the Sinhala people.

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quote:
Originally posted by Asharak

Year of the Sinhala, 916

On Wiktionary:

Etymology

Sanskrit #2360;#2367;#2306;#2361;#2354; (si#7747;hala), from #2360;#2367;#2306;#2361; (si#7747;há), “‘lion’”) + suffix -la that is speculatively connected to Sanskrit verbal root #8730;l#257; (“‘to seize’”) and thus the phrase would originally mean "lion-seizer" or "lion-killer", or it could be connected to Sanskrit #2354;#2379;#2361; (lohá), “‘blood’”) which would then render the phrase as "lion blood". The only thing that can with certainty be said is that this word is somehow connected with the term for lion.

According to legend, Sinhabahu or S#299;hab#257;hu ("Lion-arms"), was the son of a Vanga princess and a lion. He killed his father and became king of Vanga. His son Vijaya would emigrate to Lank#257; and become the progenitor of the Sinhala people.



Good stuff... All I good find for Sinhala was that it was a Sanskrit name for Sri Lanka.

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Asharak
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Year of the Exploding Orl, 861

Orl : perhaps a typo

Orle :

n. 1.
1. (Her.) A bearing, in the form of a fillet, round the shield, within, but at some distance from, the border.
2. (Her.) The wreath, or chaplet, surmounting or encircling the helmet of a knight and bearing the crest.
In orle
round the escutcheon, leaving the middle of the field vacant, or occupied by something else; - said of bearings arranged on the shield in the form of an orle.
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam Co.

and :

orle (plural orles)

1. (heraldry) A bordure which runs around the outline of a shield without touching the edge.

* 1819: In his hand he bore that singular “abacus”, or staff of office, with which Templars are usually represented, having at the upper end a round plate, on which was engraved the cross of the Order, inscribed within a circle or orle, as heralds term it. — Walter Scott, Ivanhoe



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Asharak
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Year of Medyoxes, –385

Link:
The masks this year were of apes and bagpipes, of
cats, of Greek worthies, and of ' medyoxes ' ('double visaged,
th' one syde lyke a man, th' other lyke death ')

or

Link:
A masque entitled ' The Triumph of Venus and Mara ' was de- vised by him, together with masques of apes, of the Qreek worthies, and of 'medyoxes , . . double-visaEed, th' one syde lyke a man, tli' other lyke death.'

Mod edit: Shortened the page-stretching links.

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Ash, you are the man for taking the time to find these obscure things!

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quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

[quote]

Damn. Thought I'd caught all of those back in 1998 when I compiled and filled in the table of years for the book department and the FR group. Funny how things like that slip by two proofreaders and an anal-retentive editor despite the best of efforts....sigh....

Well, I've no excuse other than human error. Sorry about that, folks.



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quote:
Originally posted by Ifthir

quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

[quote]

Damn. Thought I'd caught all of those back in 1998 when I compiled and filled in the table of years for the book department and the FR group. Funny how things like that slip by two proofreaders and an anal-retentive editor despite the best of efforts....sigh....

Well, I've no excuse other than human error. Sorry about that, folks.



Someone get Wizards of the coast a relational DB with Primary Keys! :)



Some of the typos I've seen in 3E products have me convinced that spellcheckers are used sparingly, if at all, by WotC.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ifthir

quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

[quote]

Damn. Thought I'd caught all of those back in 1998 when I compiled and filled in the table of years for the book department and the FR group. Funny how things like that slip by two proofreaders and an anal-retentive editor despite the best of efforts....sigh....

Well, I've no excuse other than human error. Sorry about that, folks.



Someone get Wizards of the coast a relational DB with Primary Keys! :)



I originally compiled the entire list in simple MS Word tables, sorting and resorting to check and eliminate as many double-ups and such as possible. As usual, some errors crept in, despite our best efforts.

And some of these are simple puns, folks--you're thinking too hard on some. The Year of Bored Phylls? Who's the head of Books again? Yes, bad joke, but at 353am it seemed funnier. ;)

Now, if you need to know what a "bored phyll" is in FR terms, it's a tapered and well-polished baseboard carving in Amnian and Tethyrian architecture. The one common reason one might bore into these would be to pour in poisons, slip in gases, or simply to allow acces to a wizard eye.

I'll take a look at some of the others and see if my memory jogs....

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quote:
Originally posted by Asharak

Year of the Corrie Fist, 450
A
A round hollow in a hillside; a cirque.
[Scottish Gaelic coire, hollow, cauldron, from Old Irish, cauldron, whirlpool.]



Actually I stole that term from Scots slang; it's to mean left-handed, which applied to King Strohm of Tethyr who was missing his right hand/arm. Still, interesting lore and definitions you're finding, Asharak! Good going!

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Recapping this list of oddball entries, having removed all the words Asharak has found (thanks for that! )...

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Year of the Adomal Tapestry, 1518
Year of the Armarel, 1210
Year of Arumae, –366
Year of the Bored Phylls, 1522
Year of the Carnivorose, 315 (A meat-eating rose?)
Year of the Eloene Bride, 548
Year of the Exploding Orl, 861
Year of the Falling Maeran, 921
Year of Glassharks, –310 (A contraction of glass sharks, perhaps?)
Year of the Gulagoar, 1316
Year of the Hungry Anelace, 597 (Analace or anlace, perhaps?)
Year of the Jasmal Blade, 851
Year of the Luminar Procession, 1127
Year of Medyoxes, –385
Year of Neomen Swords, 1448
Year of the Normiir, 611
Year of the Ormage, 102 (a contraction of orm and mage?)
Year of Rampaging Raaserpents, 699
Year of the Rising Maeran, 904
Year of the Sarune, 1206
Year of Sumbril, –217
Year of the Volanth, 655 (Volant, perhaps?)
Year of Windragons, –237 (another odd contraction, perhaps?)
Year of the Shandon Eyes, 741
Year of the Shandon Veil, 962
Year of the Sinhala, 916





A lot of these terms link to the work on an elven glossary I did while working on Cormanthyr, Myth Drannor, etc. I know that Sinhala has more to do with elves than Sri Lanka, but what you guys came up with is far more interesting.

A lot of the words are contractions--me slamming words together as I'm wont to do (windragon, carnivorose, etc.) just to have some fun with the language and leave a lot of room for interpretation and poetic license among the writers.

I can say that Volanth is an actual word in the Realms...but I can't for the life of me remember what it is right now...just that it's not a misspell of volant. Trust me on that, at least.

Orls and orms both have appearaed in Ed's lore in the past, as have normiir (IIRC).

Shandon is an obscure and antiquated adjective for a color--blue, methinks, but I'm sure Asharak can find this out more easily than I can. (I no longer have some of my best dictionaries and references on medieval or antiquated terminologies, alas.)

And Arumae and Sumbril are proper names for people who have an impact on history in their respective years. Whether or not it was recorded by history or had an impact beyond a local range, it was something presaged by Alaundo or Agauthra and thus in the Roll. As for what they did or who they were...another time, gentles.....

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quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

I can say that Volanth is an actual word in the Realms...but I can't for the life of me remember what it is right now...just that it's not a misspell of volant. Trust me on that, at least.
It's been a while, but if I recall correctly, you included the Year of the Volanth reference on the timeline in Fall of Myth Drannor. Maybe it had something to do with that particular source?

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