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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

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Posted - 15 Dec 2008 :  17:10:03  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Well... that goes without saying.

I'm just wondering why none of the Obarskyr's pulled a 'King Henry VIII", when his wife wasn't pumping out boys. It's not like they were all saints.

Another point, now that I think about it. Shouldn't there be Obarskyrs in Impiltur? While it is true that Suzara most likely took her second husband's surname and could have changed her remaining son's name to suit, shouldn't there have been other Obarskyrs in Impiltur before this time? Was Ondeth the last of his line?

I realize that this may be treading extremely close to the Cormyrite Lineage NDA, but I'm really NOT concerned AT ALL with the Royals... just the name itself.

quote:
Originally posted by Dagnirion

-This one deals with a subject that is probably near and dear to Ed's heart- Libraries and librarians. Specifically, Elven libraries and librarians. Super specifically, Everaer Sun Elven libraries and librarians, if it makes any difference. What would such librarians be called, in Elven? Because of their extreme lifespans, and attention to detail, I am sure that Elven librarians have some pretty interesting storytelling traditions. Is there anything specific to them that wouldn't be found by sticking pointy ears on Human librarians and calling it a day? A great deal of thanks in advance, as always.
Thats easy... they use the Durothil Decimal System.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 15 Dec 2008 17:10:45
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Na-Gang
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Posted - 15 Dec 2008 :  17:20:52  Show Profile  Visit Na-Gang's Homepage Send Na-Gang a Private Message
Ed, I asked this in another thread, but Kuje suggested I ask ye (blame him):

For elves in the realms is there a time beyond which they can no longer conceive? Do elven women go through an 'elven menopause' and if so how late in their lives?

Edited by - Na-Gang on 15 Dec 2008 17:21:23
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 15 Dec 2008 :  17:52:02  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
Ahem.

All these issues with the family Obarskyr--including a bit about the family name--are covered in the Lineage. We made sure to cover it, and then cover it again.

I can't answer many specifics, and I don't want to turn this thread into a debate about the Royal Lineage (we're already venturing far off the "Ask Ed Stuff" theme), except to directly answer a direct question.

At the end of Death of the Dragon, the are exactly two known legitimate descendants of Faerlthann First-King (and thus direct claimants to the Dragon Throne): Alusair and Azoun V. That's it. Nobody else. No twenty-first cousins married off into the Cormaeril clan, who are just as legitimate but have a different surname.

This doesn't cover illegitimate descendants (which are numerous), or unknown or lost lines of the House Obarskyr (which are perfectly possible). It just means the "people we can place in the order of succession" list is unbelievably short.
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Nerfed2Hell
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Posted - 15 Dec 2008 :  21:17:32  Show Profile  Visit Nerfed2Hell's Homepage Send Nerfed2Hell a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Edit: Rino, Ed says you're very welcome. Any similar topics you'd like to hear more about?



*grins* Hmm, I have to admit, I was wondering what Alusair's motivation would be for attending a revel mostly nude? Just for fun?

Thanks in advance.


"Just for fun" would be my answer... assuming I were attending any revels anytime soon. Anyone throwing any? Feel free to send me an invite.

Some people are like a slinky... not good for much, but when you push them down the stairs, it makes you smile.
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Dec 2008 :  23:37:49  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

I can't answer many specifics, and I don't want to turn this thread into a debate about the Royal Lineage (we're already venturing far off the "Ask Ed Stuff" theme), except to directly answer a direct question.
Agreed.

Folks, while I do find this side-discussion fascinating, it is kind of distracting from the original purpose of this scroll.

I'd recommend participating scribes take it to another scroll, if you're all intending on discussing it further.

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Zandilar
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Posted - 16 Dec 2008 :  11:23:59  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
I'm just wondering why none of the Obarskyr's pulled a 'King Henry VIII", when his wife wasn't pumping out boys. It's not like they were all saints.


Henry, unfortunately, didn't realize that it was his own fault he wasn't having sons... And before we derail any further - this kind of spun out into a question for me...

Henry didn't know, and in fact medicine/science of the day, unless I'm very much mistaken, wouldn't have known either... But do Realmsian people know that it is the male contribution that determines gender in a child? (For that matter, does human biology roughly work the same way in the Realms?)

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.

Edited by - Zandilar on 16 Dec 2008 11:25:17
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Kajehase
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Posted - 16 Dec 2008 :  13:22:01  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message
A question for Ed to put on the growing pile.

In 1372 DR, who was the richest merchant in Aglarond? What did he deal in? What was her relation to the Simbul and the royal court? to foreign powers?

And that will have to do for now. Thank you in advance (no matter how long an advance it turns out to be

There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 16 Dec 2008 :  16:10:51  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all!
I bring you the latest words of Ed (who was up late last night, attending a reception for his new Tor editor, the veteran David Hartwell, and a birthday bash for Canadian sf writer Robert Charles Wilson, hosted by Canadian sf great Robert Sawyer and his wife, Carolyn Clink; a good time was had by all, and watch for Rob’s novel FLASHFORWARD on television as a series, to replace LOST when that series ends), this time in response to Rinonalyrna Fathomlin, re. this: “*grins* Hmm, I have to admit, I was wondering what Alusair's motivation would be for attending a revel mostly nude? Just for fun? Thanks in advance.”
Ed replies:


For fun, yes, but not JUST for fun. Alusair hasn’t done it often, and has enjoyed doing it (so, yes, there’s the fun), but she has always done it to achieve something as well. Either to: set younger attendees at their ease in participating in a ribald tone for the evening; scandalize certain persons into saying something intemperate or even departing the revelry; or to send a message to a visiting envoy about personal freedoms in Cormyr, or the power even royal princesses have, as women, to do what THEY want, and not what others (such as their parents) might deem “appropriate” in more repressive societies (particularly when Filfaeril calmly backs Alusair up in her fashion decision of the evening). There’s a certain amount of twitting the older nobles and noble wannabes and thrusting into their faces what the younger generation is capable of, and a certain amount of “I’m a princess, and I do what *I* want, not what you the public expect of me.” As I said, she doesn’t do it often, and almost always wears SOMETHING (such as a tie or sash, or ornate cuffs, or a tiara, or even body jewelry) with her boots. Adornment, but nothing that covers her “naughty bits,” to signal that she’s DRESSED deliberately for the occasion, not merely undressed and uncaring.
And yes, on at least one occasion, this was a deliberate signal by her to “her lads” (the young male nobles she rode in arms with, in the northlands of the realm) that it was orgy time. Which caused some older noble matrons to flee shrieking - - and caused some to feign “being caught,” and enthusiastically joining in the fun. While some husbands fumed, many fetched drinks and stood or sat watching, and others participated with glee.
And I might add for everyone a reminder: the Realms are NOT our world, and our morals (and moral judgments) should not directly apply. Our moral stances should INFORM us, yes, which is why I’ve never written fictional scenes describing (even sketchily, using a comedic approach rather than detailed sexual descriptions) such revels; I don’t feel the need to thrust this behaviour into the faces of Realms fans or casual readers who might not approve of (or want their children to read).
My players know, because we’re all adults and long-term friends and players together who merely accept such things and look for every roleplaying advantage (one may even argue: what’s more immoral: a little lovemaking in public, or walking up to strange animals and butchering them?) Rino asked, so I explained.
Please note also: in real life, most of us look better with our clothes ON. This is a tactic only for the fortunate few. If used in the wrong situation or at the wrong time, it will almost certainly backfire. And as Markustay recently commented in this thread, SOME clothing usually enhances the allure, not diminishes it.
Geez, Rino, I’m wordy. Pray accept my apologies; I do run on at the mouth.


So saith Ed. Who has a very talented mouth (his wife tells me, she added hastily), so complaints are few.
love to all,
THO
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Broken Helm
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Posted - 17 Dec 2008 :  03:04:14  Show Profile  Visit Broken Helm's Homepage Send Broken Helm a Private Message
Geez, THO, how does one follow THAT last little comment?

All I wanted to do was ask Ed if he's contemplated doing any more collaborations, with Robert Sawyer or anyone else? And while he's at it, if he can tell us anything more about any forthcoming fiction projects, of any sort, he's involved in?
Thanks.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 17 Dec 2008 :  03:08:22  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Well, Broken Helm, * I * always follow it with: "Now that we've warmed up . . ."
Ahem.
Hello again, all. I bring ye all the latest words of Ed, who is delighted by The Sage’s recent question about Realms tales that parents tell to children, and promises an answer as soon as he has time to give a good one (he’s MADLY busy again, right now). This time he responds to a question from Na-Gang: “Ed, I asked this in another thread, but Kuje suggested I ask ye (blame him):
For elves in the realms is there a time beyond which they can no longer conceive? Do elven women go through an 'elven menopause' and if so how late in their lives?”
Ed replies:



SOME elves become infertile, and others don’t, and no one knows why (it’s probably genetic, but on a family level, not racial). Some may get restless and shift character late in life, and this may well be linked to their internal biological change - - but said change is not a “hot flashes” and ends of menses matter like human menopause. It’s literally that eggs cease to become receptive to fertilization (unless rather vigorous magical intervention is applied, which would only happen in extraordinary circumstances, to keep a family line from dying out). Ironically, one of the known causes of early-onset elven infertility for both genders is overmuch exposure to certain sorts of magic (“exposure” as in receiving as a target, not casting), or combinations of spells (getting hit hard [high damage] by a particular lightning spell while under the effects of a spell that affects the properties of the target body [such as water breathing or levitation]).
I don’t mean that an elf struck by such magic is instantly rendered infertile; I mean that repeated instances of exposure, over centuries, lessens fertility imperceptibly until the elf in question becomes infertile under normal circumstances, without knowing it (either the sperm can’t fertilize any egg, or the egg can’t be fertilized by any sperm).
There are exceptions; some magical combinations, or repeated or long term exposure to nodes of magical radiation, can INCREASE fertility.
This is not something elves tend to discuss publicly, so knowledge of this outside individual elven families, except elven elders, is going to be extremely limited. Humans, dwarves, and Halflings aren’t going to “know” that there’s any such thing as elven menopause, even if they do happen to know that a particular female elf “seems to be barren.”



So saith Ed. Who has not become romantically involved with any elderly elf females, so far as I know (though these veteran game designers do undertake research in sometimes-surprising depth).
From this reply, I think we can infer that according to Ed genetics work in similar, if not identical, ways in the Realms and our own world, Zandilar - - but of course Ed should tell you so better than I could. I'll nudge him, given how closely related your query is to this one from Na-Gang he's just answered here.
love to all,
THO
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The Sage
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Posted - 17 Dec 2008 :  03:48:27  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

I bring ye all the latest words of Ed, who is delighted by The Sage’s recent question about Realms tales that parents tell to children, and promises an answer as soon as he has time to give a good one (he’s MADLY busy again, right now).
My thanks Ed. Both Narnra and I are really looking forward to it.

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Na-Gang
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Posted - 17 Dec 2008 :  12:48:50  Show Profile  Visit Na-Gang's Homepage Send Na-Gang a Private Message
Thanks Ed/THO for the quick response, and thanks for the realmslore.
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GoCeraf
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Posted - 17 Dec 2008 :  19:05:52  Show Profile  Visit GoCeraf's Homepage Send GoCeraf a Private Message
Hello, hello.

A simple question this time, to offset my streak(ing).

Regarding Alusair and her infrequent state of dress, you said "There’s a certain amount of twitting the older nobles and noble wannabes and thrusting into their faces what the younger generation is capable of..."

Does this mean that activists like Alusair are a new development in the Realms?

It sounds either like that, or "Hey, I'm still young, all my parts stay in place without corsets that could strangle horses." It sounds like, rather than the older generation passing the torch on to the younger, the younger generation is wresting it from them.

An addendum to the question above, does this relationship between the younger and older generations repeat as the young become old, or do the different generations handle it in new ways?

Not as simple as I had intended...

All the best.

Edit: Grammar's not that important...

Being sarcastic can be more telling than simply telling.

Edited by - GoCeraf on 17 Dec 2008 22:22:45
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Wooly Rupert
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Every generation has a highly idealized version of their own past... Just about any older person will see a younger person doing something and disdainfully proclaim that they didn't do things like that in their day -- but the truth is, they did, and their elders said the same thing.

It's like Marty McFly's mom in the beginning of "Back to the Future". She's uptight about his relationship with his girlfriend, and says that she never would have acted the same -- but then Marty meets his mom as a teenager, and she can barely keep her hands off of him.

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Asgetrion
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Posted - 18 Dec 2008 :  02:18:49  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Thats easy... they use the Durothil Decimal System.





Invented by Melvildryn Durothil, perhaps?

But I wonder which kind of official classification systems have been used during different eras in (elven) libraries?

"What am I doing today? Ask me tomorrow - I can be sure of giving you the right answer then."
-- Askarran of Selgaunt, Master Sage, speaking to a curious merchant, Year of the Helm
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Asgetrion
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Posted - 18 Dec 2008 :  02:59:01  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message
Greetings, Milady THO and Ed!

I have been running a Pathfinder Beta playtest campaign, which is set in Thunderstone, in Cormyr. I have written a lot of material for it, but since a lot of the events in the campaign have taken place outside the town, the players have not interacted a lot with NPCs outside their "inner" circle (i.e. families and shopkeepers and prominent allies, such as tutors). I'm still fleshing out details, and filling in stuff as the campaign progresses and the PCs are drawn deeper into local intrigue, and therefore I have a plethora of questions for you:

1) Which noble families have holdings in or around Thunderstone?

2) Are there any "extinct" local noble families, who might have dabbled into necromancy and/or demon worship, and were either exiled or executed or imprisoned?

3) Which sort of presence do the Heralds and Harper and Zhentarim agents have in Thunderstone -- i.e. do stay just "stay put" and observe, or have an active presence in the area?

4) Are there any notable castles or keeps in or near Thunderstone?

5) Which religions have shrines (or even temples) in or around Thunderstone? I've already included shrines to Tymora, Tempus, Chauntea, Silvanus (outside the town) and Torm -- some of these due to PC backgrounds -- but I'd like to hear from you if I have forgotten an "obvious" deity from that list.

6) Which demihuman races have any "presence" in Thunderstone? Is it alright to assume that whole families of gnomes, halflings and dwarves live and work there? Any lost (i.e. forgotten) dwarven or gnome clan holds/strongholds nearby?

7) Can you give any details about the Realm of Wailing Fog?
8) Does Stag's Skull Bridge have any sort of barracks/buildings for the Dragons stationed there, or do they just march to guard the bridge in shifts? Does it have any other buildings, or perhaps even fortifications (such as a barbican)?

A thousand thanks in advance!

"What am I doing today? Ask me tomorrow - I can be sure of giving you the right answer then."
-- Askarran of Selgaunt, Master Sage, speaking to a curious merchant, Year of the Helm
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 18 Dec 2008 :  03:27:40  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message
Milady THO,

I'm (finally) in the middle of reading 'The Sword Never Sleeps', and I must say that to me it feels to be the best novel from Ed I've read to date -- 'Cormyr: A Novel', 'Silverfall', 'City of Splendors' and the books in the 'Shandril Saga' included (all of which I hold in very high regard -- regardless of some of them suffering from butch... uh, poor editing ;). I think Ed has portrayed all the characters and their motives in a very believable light (I just *LOVE* the dialogue and interaction between the characters and their individual personalities -- whether they're Royal Princesses or Court Wizards or Purple Dragon officers or Zhentarim agents). And, there's so much attention to detail and nuances, both in the story and the language. Somehow I feel that Ed would have had more time and energy to spend on this book, because the "tone" underlying the writing seems to be much more... how to say it... light-hearted? Relieved? Excited? Of course, I may be wrong, but to me it feels like a lot more free of pressure (and other hardships) I know Ed had been under.

I'm just *so* excited about this novel, and hope that you convey my humble thanks to Ed for writing this novel -- it feels like a true gem among all the "required reading" I've lately done (for professional reasons, as Ed surely knows). And I also wish to thank him for including so many juice, inspiring ideas and details that I can st... er, borrow into my Cormyr-campaign!

A truly *GREAT* novel, and a "must-read" for all FR fans!

"What am I doing today? Ask me tomorrow - I can be sure of giving you the right answer then."
-- Askarran of Selgaunt, Master Sage, speaking to a curious merchant, Year of the Helm
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Blueblade
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I know "me too" posts are generally frowned upon, but I have to echo Asgetrion's praise for THE SWORD NEVER SLEEPS.
WHAT a book! Without great thundering battles or gods striding on to make cameos, without any "the fate of the world hangs on our improbable little quest" stuff, this novel is gold. It "feels" real when you're reading it, not a series of serve-the-plot scenes where characters speak the lines they've been given. You start to believe that you're glimpsing moments in the lives of real people who will continue on to their next meal, or their job, or a visit to the jakes, once "the eye of the book" is off them.
If this is "real Ed, now," let's have lots more of it!

BB
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Rino asked, so I explained.


And I appreciate that.

quote:
Please note also: in real life, most of us look better with our clothes ON. This is a tactic only for the fortunate few.


Yes, like me (if I were so inclined, of course).

quote:
Geez, Rino, I’m wordy. Pray accept my apologies; I do run on at the mouth.



No, don't apologize, hearing what you have to say about this subject is delightful. Alusair (among other characters) has really come alive for me over the years thanks to replies like this.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)
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Jakk
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quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade

VERY nicely put, see.
Yep, I think that describes the can of worms perfectly.
<snip>
By Azuth, Mystra, and the other Snatched-Away Gods, I want to see that Lineage document!!!!!
BB



You're not the only one, Blueblade... but you already knew that, if you've followed my frustrations in Garen Thal's thread and this one.

Anyway, doing my best to leave that particularly delectable NDA alone for the present, as per The Sage's request...

Ed, is there anything about the Shadevari beyond the fragment that's in Faiths & Avatars and Faiths & Pantheons that isn't locked up tight by NDA? Apologies if I've asked this one already; I need to keep track of my "questions asked" more effectively, now that they're starting to add up.

Many thanks, and Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, etc., to you and yours, Ed, THO, and my fellow seekers of wisdom... because I'm going to try very hard not to ask any more questions until the New Year.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 19 Dec 2008 06:57:21
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 19 Dec 2008 :  15:46:20  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
GoCeraf, Wooly has it right. Each generation repeats this behaviour, so no, Alusair isn't among the first activists, she's one among a long, long sequence.
However, in her particular situation (and this comes from Ed; we've discussed this many a time over the years), it's Alusair seeing an older generation of nobles who are hostile or at least disdainful toward the Obarskyrs, and almost as resentful or dismissive of their duties and place in the realm of Cormyr (wanting the benefits and special treatment without any of the obligations or "being good citizens"), and wanting to "fix" that for their children (heirs AND spares), by building personal friendships and shared "fighting alongside each other" experiences to foster strong bonds of loyalty. To her, yes, but to her so she can "stand up for the realm" and end up with 'her' generation of nobles who aren't nearly so decadent and anti-Crown. She can generally only "reach" young noble males (as opposed to females) because it's the young males who will agree to the military service that ends up in them "riding the northlands" with her. (Among female nobles, most publicly sneer at her, or sneer at her when under the eye of their own parents and elderly relatives, but secretly admire her. Some openly admire her, too. She's the rebel against parental authority and expected behaviour that they long to be, but dare not try to be.
Again, this reading of the situation isn't mine alone; I'm paraphrasing Ed here. Alusair is a fascinating person, with many more sides to her than just the "tomboy." Tanalasta is far more typical of female nobles, albeit that she as an Obarskyr who will conceivably end up as the head of the royal family one day, is far more disciplined and trained and restricted and self-controlled than most female nobles ever bother to be (unless they have VERY strict parents).
The norm among noble parents, of Azoun IV's generation (that Alusair sees as the problem) is to "parent" their children when said offspring are in their presence, and ignore them the rest of the time, trusting in perhaps-indulgent, perhaps-frightened or even -bullied by their noble charges servants and hired tutors to "rear them properly" rather than the parents doing so, themselves.
Ed is interested in exploring human relationships, not in pointing fingers at our modern real world and making judgments, by the way. As he said: individuals are different, and so what's "right" is different in every single situation or relationship, too. Blindly-applied hard and fast rules are often more of a problem than "problems" they're intended to "fix."
love to all,
THO
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GoCeraf
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Posted - 19 Dec 2008 :  18:42:07  Show Profile  Visit GoCeraf's Homepage Send GoCeraf a Private Message
Thanks, THO. Very informative.

Being sarcastic can be more telling than simply telling.
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Jamallo Kreen
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello again, all.
I bring Ed’s latest reply, fresh from reducing grown adults to tears at the Port Hope library, with a unabashedly sentimental Christmas story (Farley Mowat quote of the evening: “All right, I want to know who put apple juice in my whiskey!”).
As before, Ed has tackled divers questions.

... (snip) ...

Ed replies:

Well “for good” is a long time, now, isn’t it? As Rose Tyler found out, a time or two . . .
Ahem. Realms, not the many worlds of The Doctor.

(snip)

So saith Ed. ...
love to all,
THO



Steady, please, one and all -- in this market "Dr. Who" is syndicated a couple of years behind the British (and Canadian?) schedule. Our most recent season (that's "series" to some of you) ended with the new Doctor just appearing and with Rose proclaiming that "Bad Wolf" is everywhere because she -- Rose? Tardis? Quien sabe? -- had been the one plastering it all over time and space.

Which is a lovely opportunity to ask my next question: We know (I think!) that El uses World Walk to visit Ed, but are there ways to intentionally visit Earth in different time periods if one departs from Toril in the 14th century DR? (I mean the real Toril, by the way, just so that we're clear on the when and where.)

In Ed's multiverse, is Earth available to access by spelljammer ships, and if so, in what year do they coming sailing in? (Heard on the wharf: "I know Klaatu, and that isn't him.") Perhaps The Sage will please be so kind as to repost again the URL for the Spelljammer fan site; I know they have at least one map showing Earth's presumed location vis-a-vis other crystal spheres.

Third, in Ed's conception of the multiverse, are there powers (or Powers) associated with Earth which prevent genuine time travel, to Earth's past or future, as Toril has?






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Edited by - Jamallo Kreen on 19 Dec 2008 20:27:37
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Perhaps The Sage will please be so kind as to repost again the URL for the Spelljammer fan site; I know they have at least one map showing Earth's presumed location vis-a-vis other crystal spheres.
You mean the "Beyond the Moons" site?

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Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
However, in her particular situation (and this comes from Ed; we've discussed this many a time over the years), it's Alusair seeing an older generation of nobles who are hostile or at least disdainful toward the Obarskyrs, and almost as resentful or dismissive of their duties and place in the realm of Cormyr (wanting the benefits and special treatment without any of the obligations or "being good citizens"), and wanting to "fix" that for their children (heirs AND spares), by building personal friendships and shared "fighting alongside each other" experiences to foster strong bonds of loyalty. To her, yes, but to her so she can "stand up for the realm" and end up with 'her' generation of nobles who aren't nearly so decadent and anti-Crown. She can generally only "reach" young noble males (as opposed to females) because it's the young males who will agree to the military service that ends up in them "riding the northlands" with her. (Among female nobles, most publicly sneer at her, or sneer at her when under the eye of their own parents and elderly relatives, but secretly admire her. Some openly admire her, too. She's the rebel against parental authority and expected behaviour that they long to be, but dare not try to be.


I find this fascinating, but ultimately I think Alusair is doomed simply by the restricted number of people she's appealing to. She can't possibly include every single last eligible noble male in her band of blades (remembering that not all of them would be interested, or would be just as sneeringly derisive of her as their parents or would brag about bedding the "Whore of Cormyr" and drag her name through the mud (lying about her "perversions" and damn the consequences)), and Cormyr is oppressive enough of their females that at least some of the ones who admire her would be crushed by their families (except for the few who would be like Alusair herself - true rebels) - not all female admirers of Alusair need be tough "want to go out riding and fighting with the boys", and the more delicate pro-Alusair ones almost certainly would be married to other nobles their family approve of or would have an advantage being allied to (usually with the same prevailing attitudes towards the Crown) - where their softer voices would not necessarily be heard.

I'm pretty pessimistic, as you can tell, and it might be that she does have a strong influence over the youth of Cormyr, but I can't see it lasting much beyond a generation or two, simply because of the tiny proportion of the population Alusair could realistically reach... and while she's having her influence on her small circle, there's a much larger circle of anti-Obarskyr nobles who are also having an influence on their young. In other words, the anti crowd will out breed the Alusair influenced pro crowd. (But of course, that's very simplistic and isn't taking into account everything that might happen, including attitudes towards the two Kings who followed Alusair's regency.)

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~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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