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Nerfed2Hell
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Posted - 13 Dec 2008 :  03:30:29  Show Profile  Visit Nerfed2Hell's Homepage Send Nerfed2Hell a Private Message
Awesomesauce. Thanks muchly, Sage.

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Markustay
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Posted - 13 Dec 2008 :  18:17:56  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Being in the middle of the Cormyr novel (again), Alusair sounds like she takes after one of her ancestors - the warrior queen Espara of Esperin.

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

What was appropriate when she was the rebellious tomboy princess (wooing the young nobles to her side to win personal support from the younger generation, when their noble elders were often open detractors of the Obarskyrs) <snip>
Are you trying to say that she... Intercoursed... the nobility into submission?

There's a neat rick that none of the kings could have pulled off (except with the female nobles, which just pissed-off the males even more). Can you imagine what it was like when she held court? She probably had the 'best behaved' nobles in Cormyr's history! Every last one of them would have been afraid should would 'spill the beans' about their... errr... endowments... and ummmm.... prowess. She litarally had something over all of them.

For you ladies out there - losing one's honor is far less retched a fate then being 'put down' by a female. We could could be toilet-drinking drunkards living in a box and still hold our heads high, but heaven fore-fend a women 'belittle' our 'performance'. A man would rather lose a kingdom then be subject to that.

Also, THO mentions the novel Beyond the High Road in the same post as she talks about Alusair's nakedness... and that just sets me to immature giggles.


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Edited by - Markustay on 13 Dec 2008 18:19:07
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Nerfed2Hell
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Posted - 13 Dec 2008 :  18:36:52  Show Profile  Visit Nerfed2Hell's Homepage Send Nerfed2Hell a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

For you ladies out there - losing one's honor is far less retched a fate then being 'put down' by a female. We could could be toilet-drinking drunkards living in a box and still hold our heads high, but heaven fore-fend a women 'belittle' our 'performance'. A man would rather lose a kingdom then be subject to that.

What what? I'm a man, and that's never been a concern of mine.

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Markustay
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Posted - 13 Dec 2008 :  18:40:11  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Nor mine, of course... it was more of an 'academic observation' from an outsider's POV.

Like you, I'm not worried about being labeled an 'Under-achiver'.


<see what I mean, ladies?>

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 13 Dec 2008 :  19:48:14  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
LOL! I MUST get to meet more scribes in the flesh, so to speak.
Markustay, I was referring to something Ed has made clear in his novels and writings about Cormyr, and as DM of the home Realms campaign: that Alusair in her days of riding the northlands of Cormyr fighting monsters, brigands, and Zhents to keep the trade-routes safe and clear, rode them at the head of a band of young male nobles, who came to love and revere her as their leader, as well as love her in the physical sense.
In other words, by sheer force of personality and affection, demonstrating her loyalty to them and her fierce spirit (she was their leader, and wouldn't tolerate haughty backbiting nonsense from anyone), she "won them over" to loving and trusting her personally, even if they didn't think much of her father, and their own parents HATED Azoun and the Obarskyrs for many policies that had limited the powers (and curbed the prosperity) of the nobles.
So Azoun IV might be the scourge of noble and common bedchambers, envied by some, enjoyed by many women, and hated by more than a few noble husbands, but Alusair created a younger generation of nobles who liked and understood her, and therefore would understand any ruling Obarskyr far better than their parents had ever bothered to, and would be personally loyal to her as a friend and lover. She'd not only bedded them, she'd fought at their sides and saved the lives of some of them, and they all knew it and loved her for it - - so if she later showed up to dispute with them, as Regent or (as everyone expected she'd be, not foreseeing the Regency) some sort of Lady Marshal or other military commander for the realm, they'd find it impossible to sneer at or scorn her, and much harder to dismiss her, than they would any other Obarskyr or anyone else. Like real-world buddies who'd shared the same foxholes in battle, she was a trusted "brother" rather than a hated stranger.
Yes, I suppose she COULD have cowed some nobles by making public their tiny endowments or poor bed performances, but that's a weapon you can only use once. Far more effective was their friendship with her and feeling they could talk to her directly and bluntly whenever they felt the need to, rather than staring at "some royal idiot of a lass" they didn't know and didn't want to get to know, which is how most of them viewed Tanalasta.
(Ed and I have discussed this extensively, so I'm confident he'll back up my every word here.)
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Zandilar
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Posted - 13 Dec 2008 :  23:13:00  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Yes, I suppose she COULD have cowed some nobles by making public their tiny endowments or poor bed performances, but that's a weapon you can only use once.


Once, on one noble. Because after that, she would have effectively destroyed everything she had worked to achieve to that point. No one would ever trust her again.

Also, there are bound to be one or two noble men that Alusair has failed to win over through sleeping with them (and cases where it backfired on her). Would that be a correct guess?

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 14 Dec 2008 :  02:08:15  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Yes, a correct guess, and I also agree with you on that "once, on one noble."
That sort of 'attack' isn't in Alusair's nature, I think. If she lost her temper utterly, she might let slip something that would have the equivalent effect, but I don't think she's deliberately behave like that.
And by the time she's the Steel Regent, she's had so much practice at self-control that even when her temper's gone, her reins over what words tumble out aren't.
At least, that's the way Ed plays her.
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Markustay
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Posted - 14 Dec 2008 :  16:05:13  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Okay, I was looking at that from a more one-sided point-of-view. Not having fought alongside anyone in combat (except, perhaps, for a few donnybrooks as a lad), I hadn't taken into consideration THAT aspect of her relationship with them.

On a more serious note... are the Obaskyrs cursed?

Just finishing the Cormyr novel (again), and it strkes me odd that the Royals are the one family that is not hugely extended. Every time the novel gets into this or that noble family line, it seems like they all (with the possible exception of the Wyvernspurs) have HUNDREDS of people bearing the name and able to carry on despite any personal disasters.

To be perfectly honest, it just doesn't make sense to me that the Obarskyrs came down to just Alusair and Tanalasta. For example; my father was the only boy of four kids, and his father was worried about carrying on 'the family name'. My dad had my brother and I (and my two sisters). My brother had 5 kids, two of them boys, and I myself had 4 boys. My brother already has three Grandkids, one by his son, and with six sons between us there's plenty of potential there for a dozen boys in the next 'round'. A famous example would be Ramses II, who had 21 children by the time he was 21! Most Royals go out-of-there way to produce heirs.

My point is that with each generation, a family grows exponentially - in theory, there should be thousands of Obarskyrs by now!

What the heck happened?

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Edited by - Markustay on 14 Dec 2008 21:39:05
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Blueblade
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Posted - 14 Dec 2008 :  16:34:26  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Ah, now, but wait a moment, Markustay. In our real world, many, many families DIE OUT over time, rather than "increasing exponentially." Illnesses, accidental deaths, wars, members just not having children - - all sorts of reasons.
And the Obarskyrs DO face all sorts of reasons.
We probably won't know all of them until the Royal Lineage finally does get revealed, but they need not include a curse.
Though, come to think of it, a curse would make for a really cool story or two. Imagine an Ed novel where the curse is recognized and then the characters set out to try to end it ...
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Dalor Darden
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Well, I kinda have to be with Mark on this one! Royal families usually go to extreme lengths to ensure a male heir, or at least a few heirs of acceptable measure in a fantasy setting (where females and males can be equal for the throne).

I mean, Azoun would (you would think) even have several bastards here and there. I'm a little confused at least.

I know that there are a few families related to the Royals; but I thought those were now distantly related by time.

I guess the Royals could have a LOT of girls that have married off to other families...but it does seem odd that they seem to have so few related close families of younger sons that never took the throne...

quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade

Ah, now, but wait a moment, Markustay. In our real world, many, many families DIE OUT over time, rather than "increasing exponentially." Illnesses, accidental deaths, wars, members just not having children - - all sorts of reasons.
And the Obarskyrs DO face all sorts of reasons.
We probably won't know all of them until the Royal Lineage finally does get revealed, but they need not include a curse.
Though, come to think of it, a curse would make for a really cool story or two. Imagine an Ed novel where the curse is recognized and then the characters set out to try to end it ...
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Garen Thal
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Taking a moment from my writing (two projects at the moment, hence my continued silence here at the 'Keep; will be back soon, all!), to respond to the recent questions regarding the Obarskyr line.

The House Obarskyr is not, as such, cursed. It might look that way, though, particularly if one looks at the record of births and deaths. They're normally a fertile lot, but treason, illness, murder, infighting, lack of desire for children or access to a suitable mate, all combined with the propensity of the royal family to (ahem) spread the wealth around, has led to some interesting developments over the years.

All the rest of it, well, you know the drill.
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Jakk
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quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

<snip>I mean, Azoun would (you would think) even have several bastards here and there. I'm a little confused at least.</snip>


Yes, more than a few... I believe it was stated by THO (from Ed) earlier in this scroll that there are over a hundred bastards of Azoun IV around the Forest Kingdom... and that Vangey (and, one would assume, Caladnei after him) knows who (and where) each and every one of them are.

quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

<snip>I know that there are a few families related to the Royals; but I thought those were now distantly related by time.</snip>



Not really... many royal brides are chosen from those same families (the Crownsilver, Huntsilver, and Truesilver families in particular; check out the genealogy fragment in the Old Grey Box, if you have it, and note that the dates are in Cormyr Reckoning; that tripped me up earlier too). So yes, it's mild inbreeding over the centuries, but they wouldn't be nobles/royals if they didn't engage in such behaviour, would they?

If there's any more that can be added to this without going where None Dare Adventure, I'm sure Garen or THO will let us know.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

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Markustay
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I realize that in the case of nobility - most especially the royals- that there would be a lot of 'accidental' deaths and what-not. But what of Uncles? Do the Obarskyr only believe in producing a single male heir?

In the case of the regency of Salember, we have King Azoun III dying and leaving his brother in charge, but then he wouldn't willingly relinquish the the throne to Rheigaerd (Azoun IV's father). Is THAT the problem? When you have more then one heir, younger sons are likely to try and take the throne when their older siblings die?

Or perhaps even help those deaths along a little?

Seriously, being a royal must be a pain in the butt. You can't help but look at your older brother and think all that stands between a Kingship and provincial appointment is a good push down a flight of stairs.

Maybe the Obarskyrs have learned NOT to over-produce heirs, which causes so many problems in other kingdoms.

Or maybe keeping the Blue Lady around IS the curse, instead of the other way around.

And while I'm posting, I just gotta ask - "Whatever happened to Jorunhast?"

I'm not really expecting an answer to that one, but I figured I 'd ask.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
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And while I'm posting, I just gotta ask - "Whatever happened to Jorunhast?"


He's a Dukar in Serōs. See The Sea of Fallen Stars.

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Zandilar
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Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I realize that in the case of nobility - most especially the royals- that there would be a lot of 'accidental' deaths and what-not. But what of Uncles? Do the Obarskyr only believe in producing a single male heir?


They can try and try and try to have sons, but if nature is not cooperating all they'll have is daughters. Magical measures of forcing a gender on a fetus probably run the risk of the child ending up intersexed or transgender... though I'm sure it is possible, and I'm sure someone'll say "it's magic, it can do this perfectly".

I personally think that the Royal Family of Cormyr would avoid using such measures, because if they did it too often other nobles might start pointing fingers at the Royal Family of somehow "cheating" to keep their "obviously corrupt, decadent, and obviously dying (or else why resort to such measures)" dynasty going.

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As for uncles, well there is Baron Thomdar, who is Azoun IV's cousin. :) So yeah, there is canon material about at least one of the uncles in the family.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

And while I'm posting, I just gotta ask - "Whatever happened to Jorunhast?"
Jorunhast's fate was revealed in Sea of Fallen Stars.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

And while I'm posting, I just gotta ask - "Whatever happened to Jorunhast?"
Jorunhast's fate was revealed in Sea of Fallen Stars.



Echo... echo... echo...

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Heh. My post looks better!

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quote:
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Just finishing the Cormyr novel (again), and it strkes me odd that the Royals are the one family that is not hugely extended. Every time the novel gets into this or that noble family line, it seems like they all (with the possible exception of the Wyvernspurs) have HUNDREDS of people bearing the name and able to carry on despite any personal disasters.


Well, the question really is, how distant from the direct line can you get before the distance is too much to sustain a succession against a bunch of nobles who see no reason why the Obarskyrs should be in charge anymore?

Going on the Cyclopedia of the Realms data (and assuming that's complete)

Azoun IV had a sister; she apparently died at age 29 without issue, so there are no first cousins of Foril, Tanalasta, or Alusair to succeed.

Rhigaerd II apparently had no siblings, so there are no first cousins of Azoun IV/second cousins of Foril/Tanalasta/Alusair.

Azoun III's sibilings were Salember (no legitimate children, and even if there were their father's treason would make their claim questionable) and Lhannas (died at age 22 without legitimate issue). So there are no second cousins of Azoun IV or third cousins of Foril/Tanalasta/Alusair.

Palaghard II, now, had three siblings. One died at age nine (no issue), one died at age 27 (no issue listed), and one was the ancestor of Azoun IV's third cousins Bhereu and Thomdor . . . who were, of course, killed in the Abraxus affair.

Dhalmass is not shown as having any siblings, so that would make the next legitimate claimant, after Bhereu/Thomdor, somebody approximately the fifth cousin of Azoun IV. There might be hundreds of fifth-cousin Obarskyrs, and thousands further distant . . . but they probably are interbred with the existing noble families to a degree that they are considered members of those families. Which means that there would be a disputed succession as every noble house trots out their "fifth cousin by legitimate descent, and bastard son of Azoun IV, and our family deserves the crown because of X" claimant.

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VERY nicely put, see.
Yep, I think that describes the can of worms perfectly.
And I trust Ed and Garen and Grant Christie and Eric Boyd and George Krashos and Tom Costa and everyone else who's had a hand in that Royal Libeage work (I may be forgetting some folks, but it's been a long time now since that GenCon seminar) have thought all this through.
So that the "No Obarskyr to succeed?" crisis Ed and Jeff Grubb hinted at in CORMYR: A NOVEL and that continued in the rest of the Cormyr saga really IS a crisis.
By Azuth, Mystra, and the other Snatched-Away Gods, I want to see that Lineage document!!!!!
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Doesn't really answer my question, though.

I'm well-aware that many of the Royals would have married into other houses over the years, but shouldn't the males have kept their names? Unless 'lesser siblings' are in the habit of taking on their wife's name when they marry into another noble family, there should be a least a few Obarskyrs running around Cormyr, no matter how distantly related.

My question wasn't so much about succession, but rather about the name itself. At the time of Azoun IV's death, only two people on Toril were born with the name Obarskyr?

Hell, I would think there would be a least one peasant somewhere with the name...

quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

And while I'm posting, I just gotta ask - "Whatever happened to Jorunhast?"
Jorunhast's fate was revealed in Sea of Fallen Stars.



Echo... echo... echo...

LOL - thats probably the LAST place I would have thought to look for him.

Thanks for the amswer, BTW. I'm not a big fan of Seros, but its still good to know what happened to him.

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-This is, what, the second question this year? Geeze, I'm getting greedy.

-This one deals with a subject that is probably near and dear to Ed's heart- Libraries and librarians. Specifically, Elven libraries and librarians. Super specifically, Everaer Sun Elven libraries and librarians, if it makes any difference. What would such librarians be called, in Elven? Because of their extreme lifespans, and attention to detail, I am sure that Elven librarians have some pretty interesting storytelling traditions. Is there anything specific to them that wouldn't be found by sticking pointy ears on Human librarians and calling it a day? A great deal of thanks in advance, as always.

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quote:
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Edit: Rino, Ed says you're very welcome. Any similar topics you'd like to hear more about?



*grins* Hmm, I have to admit, I was wondering what Alusair's motivation would be for attending a revel mostly nude? Just for fun?

Thanks in advance.

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quote:
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A famous example would be Ramses II, who had 21 children by the time he was 21! Most Royals go out-of-there way to produce heirs.



That's not hard to do if you are male and especially a ruler, who can support many wives and concubines.

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