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rjfras
Learned Scribe

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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 :  07:39:01  Show Profile  Visit rjfras's Homepage Send rjfras a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Oooh! I can START to answer this, while we're waiting for Ed:

"irrel" is an idea in the elven tongue
"irreth" is a mind,
and "irrend" is a memory (single remembered thing)

These from some old notes I made during an Ed-as-DM Realms play session, when we were talking with some of the elves who lived wild in the forest east of Shadowdale, when we Knights had but newly arrived there.
love,
THO



Okay, this is my last one for a while. I'd forgotten that I hadn't asked about this yet in my previous post.

Does Ed (or anyone else on Candlekeep or elsewhere) have a compiled lexicon of the Faerunian/Torilian elven language? I'm hoping someone other than Ed can help me out with this one; every additional question I ask makes me wince, knowing how many answers he's still working on for me. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Ed and THO!


There is a rather large list right here on Candlekeep under one of the libraries and is also available as a pdf download: http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/diction_elf.htm
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Zandilar
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 :  22:19:12  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

I've just been rereading bits and pieces of Silverfall and came across something I thought was quite curious...

Storm (on page 358 of Silverfall) says she's the weakest of the Chosen in the Art (by which I assume she means magic and spell casting)... I just went back and checked something and found that in 2nd Edition, Dove was only a 14th level Ranger, while Storm was a 22nd level bard. A 22nd level Bard would be far more powerful arcanely than a Ranger (who would have minimal divine spell casting capabilities depending on their wisdom).

In 3rd Edition Storm has 12 levels of Sorcerer among other classes (Fighter, Rogue, and Bard). I don't think Dove was statted up for 3rd Edition, but if you were to do it, Ed, what classes would she have? Would she have more levels in spell casting classes than Storm (bearing in mind that Storm also has 8 levels in Bard which is also an arcane spell casting class)? Or is Storm (in Silverfall) just being modest about her magical skills? Or is something else afoot here, such as the inadequacies of truly expressing characters using the Dungeons and Dragons class and level system?

Also, any suggestions about both lovely ladies using 4th Edition Rules (which I feel is even more restrictive than 3rd Edition rules wise)? I'm figuring I'll have to wait for the Bard class to do justice to Storm, but still... (This part of my question is more just curiosity than anything I could actually use right now, as our group has decided to remain using 3rd Edition for the time being. One day, though, I'd like to run a 3rd Edition era Realms campaign using 4th Edition rules (maybe modified so that wizards aren't so nerfed), so it might be useful in the future.)

That's it for now, though I must say some of the descriptions of the Seven in Silverfall are quite spectacular. (Storm is so strong! *swoon*)

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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Markustay
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 :  23:19:03  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Various drow communities have various words for psionics and psionic actions, but the two most prevalent drow words for psionics are “ulsharyorn” and “ulzakzigh” (the component elements of both of which should be fairly obvious), with “erress” being an older drow word for psionics (still used by clergy of Eilistraee).
Thank you so much for that answer.

Like I said, for some things I just fudge some of the existing Drow linguistics, but I couldn't even approximate something for this, and now I at least have something concrete to base my next piece of Homerbrew lore on.

Many thanks again, Ed and THO. (and for all the other great answers as well)

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


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Darkhund
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  00:34:28  Show Profile  Visit Darkhund's Homepage Send Darkhund a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar

Heya,

I've just been rereading bits and pieces of Silverfall and came across something I thought was quite curious...

Storm (on page 358 of Silverfall) says she's the weakest of the Chosen in the Art (by which I assume she means magic and spell casting)... I just went back and checked something and found that in 2nd Edition, Dove was only a 14th level Ranger, while Storm was a 22nd level bard. A 22nd level Bard would be far more powerful arcanely than a Ranger (who would have minimal divine spell casting capabilities depending on their wisdom).

In 3rd Edition Storm has 12 levels of Sorcerer among other classes (Fighter, Rogue, and Bard). I don't think Dove was statted up for 3rd Edition, but if you were to do it, Ed, what classes would she have? Would she have more levels in spell casting classes than Storm (bearing in mind that Storm also has 8 levels in Bard which is also an arcane spell casting class)? Or is Storm (in Silverfall) just being modest about her magical skills? Or is something else afoot here, such as the inadequacies of truly expressing characters using the Dungeons and Dragons class and level system?

Also, any suggestions about both lovely ladies using 4th Edition Rules (which I feel is even more restrictive than 3rd Edition rules wise)? I'm figuring I'll have to wait for the Bard class to do justice to Storm, but still... (This part of my question is more just curiosity than anything I could actually use right now, as our group has decided to remain using 3rd Edition for the time being. One day, though, I'd like to run a 3rd Edition era Realms campaign using 4th Edition rules (maybe modified so that wizards aren't so nerfed), so it might be useful in the future.)

That's it for now, though I must say some of the descriptions of the Seven in Silverfall are quite spectacular. (Storm is so strong! *swoon*)



Excluding the sorcerer stuff for a minute, has Storm ever been seen to CAST a bardic spell? I think, that despite being in the Class, she may not have/use the spells it grants, while utilizing the other abilities it has.
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Gelcur
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  04:16:28  Show Profile  Visit Gelcur's Homepage Send Gelcur a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

So saith Ed, who hopes he’s been of help. If you were seeking grand mansions for PCs to plunder, these aren’t the places you’re looking for, I’m afraid - - but they are useful city landmarks.
love,
THO



Yes, extremely useful landmarks. And extremely helpful. Thank you both endlessly for the great reply and the promptness.


I also must complement Ed on "The Best of the Realms, Book II". I'm about a third of the way through and it is awesome. I especially love Ed's notes before each story which dates them. Dating helps DMs endlessly. I really hope WotC has Ed do another of these, snapshots of the realms is so useful for getting the feel of the setting.

I have all three Knights of Myth Drannor books and really want to read them but want to read The Avatar and Shadow of the Avatar trilogies first. Now to find copies. So much reading so little time.

The party come to a town befallen by hysteria

Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  04:22:15  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Gelcur

Dating helps DMs endlessly.


Yeah, but a lot of DMs have a problem getting dates.

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Jakk
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  04:30:34  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
I could almost say "that pun was mean!" but it was just too funny to be angry with it.

Thanks to rjfras for reminding me about the Elven lexicon. If I find anything that needs to be added, I'll make a note of it and start a new scroll somewhere for such things.

Back to Ed and THO, and questions from The Rest Of Us...

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 28 Nov 2008 04:31:06
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Gelcur
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  04:32:10  Show Profile  Visit Gelcur's Homepage Send Gelcur a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Yeah, but a lot of DMs have a problem getting dates.



I'm sure THO can gives all a hand with that.

The party come to a town befallen by hysteria

Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good.
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George Krashos
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  04:52:02  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message
I'm halfway through reading "The Sword Never Sleeps" and loving every sentence. I'll save my further kudos for a personal e-mail. My reading so far however has brought me here to ask a question on one of my favourite Realms personages. I doubt I'll get a straight answer but I wouldn't mind an obscure hint or two. My question is:

What is Hesperdan if he is not a man?

Thank you muchly.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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The Sage
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  05:45:19  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
Oooh! I must admit, I'm intrigued by the possible answers Ed will concoct for that one.

Nice one George.

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CylverSaber
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  07:07:14  Show Profile  Visit CylverSaber's Homepage Send CylverSaber a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Gelcur

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Yeah, but a lot of DMs have a problem getting dates.



I'm sure THO can gives all a hand with that.


I think most DMs use their own hands for that
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Zandilar
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Australia
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  12:18:57  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by Darkhund
Excluding the sorcerer stuff for a minute, has Storm ever been seen to CAST a bardic spell? I think, that despite being in the Class, she may not have/use the spells it grants, while utilizing the other abilities it has.



I am fairly confident that I've read about Storm casting spells (if not in Silverfall itself, then certainly in Stormlight), but it's pretty late here, so I am not about to start pulling out books to check if I'm right.

The Seven Sisters and the rest of the Chosen of Mystra often exhibit abilities (almost always spell casting) in novels and short stories that go way way WAY above and beyond what they're shown to be capable of in their stats. For example, in Silverfall we see Qilue casting lightning bolts despite being "merely" a 16th level Cleric... According to what I remember from the Seven Sisters supplement, the at will (3rd level spell) ability she has from being a Chosen is dispel magic.

Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  17:55:54  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Ah, but Chosen can call on the Weave to "twist" one memorized spell of a greater power into another magic of a lesser (at least two levels less, if I remember correctly without consulting Ed).
Remember, Ed had quite specific powers for the Chosen that have nothing at all to do with templates/paths/kits/prestige classes written for "Chosen" by other designers.

George, Ed can't answer your Hesperdan question here and now because it's (yes) NDA.
However, it is NDA because he has written a lengthy and entertaining answer that its scheduled to be published in the fullness of time.
love to all,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  18:42:53  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Oh, Zandilar, about the relative magical "power" of Storm, my understanding is that Dove has far less actual power, but that because of this, she was instructed over the years by Mystra, Azuth, and various servitors of Mystra (including senior Chosen such as El and Khelben) in ways of accessing the Weave to accomplish magical effects.
Storm, who has been far more interested in people (and music, and politics through gently "steering" people behind the scenes) has used her magic but little. She meant "weakest" as in "least experienced, remembers the least, has picked up the knacks of properly using and controlling magic the least."
(This comes from years of idle chatter with Ed about such things, and inferences from how he portrayed Dove and Storm during play, as DM.)
love,
THO
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Faraer
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  19:00:18  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Darkhund
Excluding the sorcerer stuff for a minute, has Storm ever been seen to CAST a bardic spell? I think, that despite being in the Class, she may not have/use the spells it grants, while utilizing the other abilities it has.
There's a confusion in that the bard class can represent both a roguish jack-of-all-trades with some Art (which Storm's 3E sorcerer levels may have been intended to represent) and a practitioner of a special kind of musical magic (related to spellsinging, and which Ed described earlier this year).
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ah, but Chosen can call on the Weave to "twist" one memorized spell of a greater power into another magic of a lesser (at least two levels less, if I remember correctly without consulting Ed).
Or she may just have been casting unpublished priestly spells that resemble wizardly lightning bolts, or using 'metamagic' to repurpose spell slots.

Indeed, I think the Realms term for 'metamagic' is just 'Art', and the spell-alterations represented by various spells, feats and special abilities are part of what every skilled mage does.

Edited by - Faraer on 28 Nov 2008 19:06:08
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Markustay
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  22:19:22  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Hopefully I can get fast answer for this (not that I'm trying to 'push' my way to the front), because I'm re-touching my Returned Abeir Map and wanted placements for a couple of things.

In Eskorn, both the Dawn Titan's Spire and Savanfast are metioned in text, but neither was placed on the Map. I had thought to come up with my own locations, but I'd rather go with something somewhat more official, if possible.

Thanks --- Mark

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Gelcur

Dating helps DMs endlessly.


Yeah, but a lot of DMs have a problem getting dates.

THAT was REALLY good.

Another CK2.0 request - we need a 'Rimshot' smiley.

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Edited by - Markustay on 29 Nov 2008 15:10:40
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  23:01:12  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

George, Ed can't answer your Hesperdan question here and now because it's (yes) NDA.
However, it is NDA because he has written a lengthy and entertaining answer that its scheduled to be published in the fullness of time.
love to all,
THO



I expected as much but thank you for your prompt response. As also expected, you've whetted my appetite for more.

-- George Krashos

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Darkhund
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 :  23:02:29  Show Profile  Visit Darkhund's Homepage Send Darkhund a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar

Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by Darkhund
Excluding the sorcerer stuff for a minute, has Storm ever been seen to CAST a bardic spell? I think, that despite being in the Class, she may not have/use the spells it grants, while utilizing the other abilities it has.



I am fairly confident that I've read about Storm casting spells (if not in Silverfall itself, then certainly in Stormlight), but it's pretty late here, so I am not about to start pulling out books to check if I'm right.

The Seven Sisters and the rest of the Chosen of Mystra often exhibit abilities (almost always spell casting) in novels and short stories that go way way WAY above and beyond what they're shown to be capable of in their stats. For example, in Silverfall we see Qilue casting lightning bolts despite being "merely" a 16th level Cleric... According to what I remember from the Seven Sisters supplement, the at will (3rd level spell) ability she has from being a Chosen is dispel magic.



I just seem to recall in...it could be one of the Shandril Saga books, Elminster gave her a spell to cast on Manshoon, and the reactions just seemed to me to not fit a spellcaster at all.
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Lund
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Posted - 29 Nov 2008 :  00:18:03  Show Profile  Visit Lund's Homepage  Send Lund an AOL message Send Lund a Private Message
Hi! Long time lurker, first time poster here. I'm not even sure if this is the right place to post this, and if it isn't I apologize. I also did a forum search for Karsus and considering the search doesn't seem to jump the exact post and that many of the threads that came up were nearly a hundred pages long... I apologize for not looking elsewhere.

What is the cannon story/tale of Karsus and his life, and can it be found somewhere (Novel, Source Book, etc.)? Is there anything more planned to be written about him?

I realize that the question seems to denote a long answer, but that's not really what I'm looking for. I'm not sure if there is a compiled assortment somewhere that details all of the information regarding Karsus and maybe a bit more in depth into Ancient Netheril or not. Grand History doesn't seem to give us much information about his activities other than his birth, practice of heavy magic, and Folly.

The character has always greatly interested me and I haven't looked much into ancient lore of Faerun until recently, thus I was disappointed when I found that there wasn't very much info on him.

Thanks all for any answers/help! I love the work you guys (and gals) do here!

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sfdragon
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so most esteemed THO, was that announcement made yet?


and when is Eds book do out???


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The Hooded One
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Posted - 29 Nov 2008 :  02:29:53  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, sfdragon. No, no announcement yet. As I said, the lawyers have gotten into the act, and that inevitably means a delay.
As for Ed's book: which one? The first two of his "this fall" novels (DARK VENGEANCE from Tor, the second Niflheim "dark elf not drow" novel, and THE SWORD NEVER SLEEPS, the third Knights of Myth Drannor book) have been published. ARCH WIZARD from Solaris, the second book in Ed's Falconfar trilogy, is finished, submitted, accepted, and edited; it should roll out in December (though Simon & Schuster are saying March 09 for the North American release).
Ed also has stories in some current and future anthologies: LILITH UNBOUND from Popcorn Press (edited by Elaine Cunningham, and WELL worth picking up), WORLDS OF THEIR OWN from Paizo (edited by Jim Lowder, and containing stories by Bob Salvatore, Mike Stackpole, Gary Gygax, Elaine Cunningham, and many more), CATOPOLIS from DAW (edited by Martin Greenberg and Janet Deaver-Pack, and containing stories by such gaming notables as Richard Lee Byers, Elaine Cunningham, Bruce Heard, Don Bingle, and Jean Rabe), GAMER FANTASTIC from DAW (Ed contributed both a story and a eulogy for Gary Gygax, and Steven Schend has a story in it, too), a very interesting small-press anthology called GRANT'S PASS from Morrigan Books (which is not the same company as Morrigan Press, I believe), and at least three still-secret projects that I've got wind of, plus some future Wizards work that nothing at all can be said about yet. (My answer to George Krashos about Hesperdan is bound up in one of those secret things, and the work Ed is doing as I type this is bound up in another one.)
Mysteriously yours,
love,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 29 Nov 2008 02:34:20
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Aysen
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Thank you Lady Hooded One and Ed for the wonderful descriptions of some of Faerun's famous chefs. It was a delicious tidbit of lore to savor during my post-Thanksgiving lethargy.
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Vangelor
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quote:
Originally posted by Lund

What is the cannon story/tale of Karsus and his life, and can it be found somewhere (Novel, Source Book, etc.)? Is there anything more planned to be written about him?


Hi, Lund. I cannot promise that specific Karsus lore can be found there, but you probably should start with the old 2nd edition sourcebook, Arcane Age: Netheril - Empire of Magic, available as a free .pdf document at http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads
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Lund
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quote:
Originally posted by Vangelor

quote:
Originally posted by Lund

What is the cannon story/tale of Karsus and his life, and can it be found somewhere (Novel, Source Book, etc.)? Is there anything more planned to be written about him?


Hi, Lund. I cannot promise that specific Karsus lore can be found there, but you probably should start with the old 2nd edition sourcebook, Arcane Age: Netheril - Empire of Magic, available as a free .pdf document at http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads



Ah, thank you!

I started right as 3.0 came out so I've never been familiar with any of the 2nd edition books. I had no idea this book existed (and it's even better that it's free!).

Thanks again,
Lund

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Markustay
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Don't know if Ed can or even wants to answer this one, but WHY does a game company feel like it needs to be run like the CIA?

Will a terrorist attack happen somewhere if Ed tells us what he is working on?

I just don't understand... it's just a friggin' game, after all.

I can buy the secrecy if they were producing microchips, or some type of 64-bit software encryption, but are they afraid someone else might steal their idea... about Elves?

NDA's I understand to a point (although I think they have gone overboard with them), but this 'secret projects' thing strikes me odd, because most companies LOVE to shout from the mountaintops all the "cool new stuff" they are working on.

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Edited by - Markustay on 29 Nov 2008 15:32:04
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