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Sage of Stars
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 :  21:17:03  Show Profile  Visit Sage of Stars's Homepage Send Sage of Stars a Private Message
Ed, there have been rumors in certain publishing circles that you have been writing Christmas stories every year, and plan to publish a book of them. True? Or would you rather not say, yet?
Thank you, either way.
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A Publishing Lackey
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 :  21:18:29  Show Profile  Visit A Publishing Lackey's Homepage Send A Publishing Lackey a Private Message
Hmm. I have heard those rumors, too, and would very much like to hear a reply!
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Malcolm
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 :  21:22:49  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
Ed, please forgive me if this is too "forward"/presumptuous to ask (and tell me so), but I would like to know: would you like to hear (here, in this thread) from readers requesting lore in your future novels about the fate of this character or the descendants of that one, or even flashback scenes?
There are some Realms characters I would very, very much like to "see" more of, even if just a glimpse or two. I want to ask about specific characters but don't want to annoy you, and I seem to remember that in earlier years in this thread you or THO occasionally asked what we fans wanted to see.
So . . . ?
Thank you very much. (Hope you'll say yes. )
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 :  21:34:40  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
Well met, all!

I'm halfway through Unclean, and the description of the excavated city in the Sunrise Mountains really intrigued me. If it's not shielded by an NDA, will Ed please tell us about the civilization which excavated fortresses and this city, and, if it's relevent, what their relations were with the batrachi(?) who built Delhumide?





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Jakk
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 :  23:07:54  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Agnitio Veridicus

quote:
Originally posted by Jakk

With respect to Question 12: Halaster was probably already insane when (as Hilather) he was released from stasis in 128 DR; he entered stasis in -2488 DR (GHotR for both dates)... and it would be interesting to know the details of that too. Why did he enter stasis, and was it his choice or was he forced into it? (Call this Question 12a or Question 13, as you see fit.)


I'm reading a backlog of lore, and apologize if this issue has already been addressed for you.

If I remember correctly from past reading, Halaster began to lose his sanity when he created a magic that allowed him to project multiple instances of himself within the confines of Undermountain. It was simply too much for a human mind to handle, and it slowly drove him mad.

Halaster voluntarily entered stasis after his homeland was destroyed. His homeland being the Imaskari Empire. Stasis is a good way for a powerful mage to hide when incarnations of the Mulhorandi pantheon are hunting down and slaying every Imaskari mage they can find. :) It's the ultimate way to "lay low for awhile".

-- Agnitio




Thanks for the response! No, I had not had this one answered; one less thing on Ed's "to do" list is never a bad thing.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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gomez
Learned Scribe

Netherlands
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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 :  13:07:53  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
I know Ed has mentioned here that Storm will make love to women as well as men.


I think most of Ed's women are flexible in who they relate to.
Now men making love to men... those are rarely mentioned.
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Icelander
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 :  19:21:50  Show Profile  Visit Icelander's Homepage Send Icelander a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by gomez

quote:
I know Ed has mentioned here that Storm will make love to women as well as men.


I think most of Ed's women are flexible in who they relate to.
Now men making love to men... those are rarely mentioned.



Do I detect a little inter-subculture cattiness?



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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 :  23:03:47  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
And because it's just not possible for me to have too many questions in the queue...

I was looking at Dragon #124, earlier. I was specifically reading the article on skyships. The skyship described in the article was said to be Thayan -- but the much later info on Halruaan skyships (FR16 Shining South) was pretty much identical.

So that leaves me wondering... Was this ship not Thayan, or was it built using Halruaan techniques? And were the Halruaan techniques the same or different in your Realms?

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Zandilar
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Posted - 10 Nov 2008 :  00:06:25  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by Icelander

quote:
Originally posted by gomez

quote:
I know Ed has mentioned here that Storm will make love to women as well as men.


I think most of Ed's women are flexible in who they relate to.
Now men making love to men... those are rarely mentioned.



Do I detect a little inter-subculture cattiness?





Maybe not cattiness, perhaps frustration is the better word?

I had a whole long rant written, but decided this was not the place for it... So I put it up on my LJ Goddess Musing, if anyone's interested in reading it.

Please note, I mean no disrespect to Ed in the post - I appreciate all the work he's done and his advocacy of LGBT characters in the Realms. It must be a Sisyphean task to work against the might of a so called "Family Friendly" giant like Hasbro/WotC.

Zandilar
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~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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Vangelor
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Posted - 10 Nov 2008 :  02:46:58  Show Profile  Visit Vangelor's Homepage Send Vangelor a Private Message
I can think of a pair of minor, almost background characters in Elminster in Myth Drannor - two male elves of the common classes, close friends, one of whom dies. Nothing more than friendship is alluded to, but we don't see either chasing females, and I have always felt perfectly free to imagine the pair were more interested in each other. Whether Ed can confirm this without the Morality Code Enforcers shutting us down, I cannot say.

But thanks for raising the point, Zan. Our lore is indeed short on sheild-brothers and two-spirits of the masculine sex.
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gomez
Learned Scribe

Netherlands
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Posted - 10 Nov 2008 :  16:53:49  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
Cattiness? I'd purr, but I wonder if that would relay the right message...
I note though that it is quite possible to add references to gay characters in WotC products (especially Realms) - it is just that there is a need to stay away from explicit scenes. It would be nice to see it more often applied to men, but I fear most gamers tend to think bisexual women as 'hot', and true lesbians (and gay men) as... well, not... so authors stay away form it.

Gomez
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Blueblade
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Posted - 10 Nov 2008 :  17:21:13  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Considering Ed has told the tale at several GenCon seminars of a DRAGON editor nixing a King Arthur article because (in the context of explaining the various "the Round Table broke up because" legends) Ed wrote that Lancelot and Guinevre were "lovers" {and Ed wrote NO MORE than that}, I'd suspect that Ed put the references in . . . and various disapproving or nervous editors took them out. [[Perhaps using the justification that if the sexual orientation of a character isn't integral to a fiction or adventure plotline, it should be omitted on grounds of taste and company policy (upset no one, lose no sales) . . . and if it IS integral, perjaps that plot should be abandoned and replaced by another.]]
So I'm thinking Ed is probably not the culprit here.
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Vangelor
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Posted - 10 Nov 2008 :  18:42:08  Show Profile  Visit Vangelor's Homepage Send Vangelor a Private Message
Well... if Hasbro won't publish it, we won't see it for sale any time soon (and I am perfectly certain that it is a marketing/PR hangup, and not a failure of Ed's inclusiveness, imagination, tolerance or greatness of soul.) So let's make it a question for the Green-wood sage of the Icy Northlands:

Ed, are there any ballads or tales popular in the Sword Coast, Heartlands, Luruar or the lands of the Dragon Reach, which celebrate famous lovers who happen to both have been male? Not that their love need to be what they are famous for, but like Achilles and Patroklos, an element of their tale to deep to omit?

Edited by - Vangelor on 10 Nov 2008 21:43:03
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 10 Nov 2008 :  19:07:18  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by gomez
Now men making love to men... those are rarely mentioned.




They are there, though, as per Ed*.


*For the record, I'd be perfectly happy to read about more gay characters of both sexes, protagonists especially.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)

Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 10 Nov 2008 19:09:49
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The Sage
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Posted - 10 Nov 2008 :  23:26:50  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by gomez

Cattiness? I'd purr, but I wonder if that would relay the right message...
I note though that it is quite possible to add references to gay characters in WotC products (especially Realms) - it is just that there is a need to stay away from explicit scenes. It would be nice to see it more often applied to men, but I fear most gamers tend to think bisexual women as 'hot', and true lesbians (and gay men) as... well, not... so authors stay away form it.

Gomez

You might want to delve into the compiled reply archives from Ed. He has discussed this topic several times in the past.

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Markustay
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Posted - 11 Nov 2008 :  02:36:08  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Ed, I'm doing a re-work of the Returned Abeir map, and I'm almost done, but I ran into a snafu (not the first, but the first that I decided not to resolve on my own).

In the lower-right hand corner Laerakond right near the coast we see a near-perfectly straight line running diagonally - what the heck is that?

Skinny forest or mountains? I thought maybe another rift, but it's really too close to the coast for that. The only other thing I can think of is a landrise/clifface.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 11 Nov 2008 02:37:46
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 11 Nov 2008 :  15:56:44  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, Markustay!
Ed just sent me this response:


Darned if I know. Looks like an unnaturally-straight line of mountains (single long ridge?) to me. It's not on my original map (which is black-and-white line art, "mountain peaks drawn in" style; crude but of course [[ like most cartographers :} ]], I prefer it to the published one). Geologically, a long cliff-face (a la "white cliffs of Dover," but of course NOT chalk) could be there, but it looks odd and I'd consider it a mistake for a worldbuilder (if doing something odd, there had better be an immediately-furnished explanation, no matter how fantastical).
Oh, and Rimlost is part of Fimbrul, and located as in the FRCG. I have no idea how it made it into the Gontal web piece (which was obviously chopped out of what I wrote for the FRCG for space/wordcount reasons). Being as Bruce's name is attached to that web presentation, he might know. :}
I have been talking with WotC folk re. providing more lore for this new continent on the WotC website, but the back-and-forth discussions have been VERY slow.


So saith Ed. Who is hard at work on all sorts of secret projects, for the Realms and elsewhere. (I hope scribes will catch all three of his recent novels: DARK VENGEANCE for Tor, THE SWORD NEVER SLEEPS for Wizards, and ARCH WIZARD for Solaris.)
love to all,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 11 Nov 2008 :  16:09:26  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all. Another message from Ed, this time in response to Sage of Stars (echoed by A Publishing Lackey), who asked: "Ed, there have been rumors in certain publishing circles that you have been writing Christmas stories every year, and plan to publish a book of them. True? Or would you rather not say, yet? Thank you, either way."
Ed replies:


Yes, I write a new Christmas story every year (one of which was guided by Brian Thomsen's editorial hand, and published in WE THREE DRAGONS, along with Yuletide tales by TSR alumni Jeff Grubb and Jim Ward) and read it at the annual Christmas celebrations at the Port Hope Public Library, in early December. This year, I'll be reading from Rowling's THE TALES OF BEEDLE THE BARD, instead, but I will still write a story . . . and yes, in the fullness of time, I will publish a collection of said stories and donate the money to the library. Most of them are sentimental tearjerkers, aimed at adults "over the heads of kids," and all of them are intended to be read aloud to a family or larger audience. They are great fun to do.
In this context, "the fullness of time" means when I have enough accumulated for a book of decent length (probably not including the one that saw print in WE THREE DRAGONS).


So saith Ed. Who has not forgotten your many Realmslore requests, and wants a certain person in Australia not to fret about how long the return mailing is taking; the Canadian Post Offal is notorious for this. As Ed says, "Well, they're probably just starting to train a new mail-carrying whale, right now. Its union contract will give it a week or so off at Christmas time, and then . . ."
love to all,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 11 Nov 2008 :  16:13:47  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Ah! This is like trickle torture! ANOTHER reply from Ed!
Malcolm asked: "Ed, please forgive me if this is too "forward"/presumptuous to ask (and tell me so), but I would like to know: would you like to hear (here, in this thread) from readers requesting lore in your future novels about the fate of this character or the descendants of that one, or even flashback scenes?
There are some Realms characters I would very, very much like to "see" more of, even if just a glimpse or two. I want to ask about specific characters but don't want to annoy you, and I seem to remember that in earlier years in this thread you or THO occasionally asked what we fans wanted to see.
So . . . ?
Thank you very much. (Hope you'll say yes.)"
Ed replies:


Yes, indeed! Malcolm, I would LOVE to hear from you and every Candlekeep scribe and casual Realms fan about people, places, and things you want to see more of, or less of, or never again, or any preferences for scenes (how much detailed battle/how little/how much intrigue/how much sex/etc.) in my future Realms fiction.
I can't make any promises (heck, I can't even promise there will BE any future Realms fiction), but I certainly promise to listen, heed, and even ask questions back at you!
Thanks for the prodding! (Really!)


So saith Ed. Who really DOES want to hear from you. All of you!
love,
THO
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Blueblade
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Posted - 11 Nov 2008 :  16:31:37  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Oh, Ed, you shouldn't encourage us!
But being as you have:
Here are my wantsies:

Bring back Mirt! I want to see more fat old men grumbling about not being young Conans any more, but still trying to be!

A Storm (or Alustriel, or even Filfaeril and Azoun) sex scene. Done properly, explicit but tasteful. For once. Even if it has to be non-WotC, hidden out on the Net somewhere.
Maybe you could write a novel, and provide a separate sex scene (elsewhere) that "fills in the gap" where in the print story you gently close the bedchamber door in the reader's face.

Elminster getting beaten in a spell battle. Not necessarily harmed, just beaten.

More Azoun, more Filfaeril, and more Alusair. Preferably while Cormyr is NOT falling apart around them, for once.

More Rangers Three, or at least Sharantyr.

More Waterdeep idiot drunken nobles (new ones), and more of the strange clubs they frequent, and - - oh, heck, I have to stop typing and go to work!
Other scribes, take over, please; I'm sure we can come up with HUNDREDS of story elements for Ed!
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Malcolm
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Posted - 11 Nov 2008 :  18:41:10  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
Okay, I'll step in.
Ed, if your future stories have to be "the new Realms," then I'd want to see descendants of some of my favorite Realms NPCs. Jhaele of Shadowdale, Piergeiron, Alustriel, Dove, the Knights of Myth Drannor, Mirt and Durnan of Waterdeep...there's a long list. I'd also want to know more about Alusair's fate, and for that matter what happened to a lot of people. Perhaps a collection of short stories, each dealing with someone imteresting and important?
I know you don't have a free hand in writing and getting published just what you'd like, Ed, but, well, here's some ammo for any arugments you may have with Wizards: one fan's requests.
Thanks for listening.
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 11 Nov 2008 :  19:04:31  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
Not just one fan's. Many fans.

More Mirt, more El, more Mirt, the fates of the Seven Sisters, more Mirt, fates of the Knights of Myth Drannor, more Mirt, Scotti Amcathra, more Mirt, Cormyr stories, more Mirt, where's Vangey and, lest I forget, MORE MIRT.

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 Nov 2008 :  19:15:07  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

Not just one fan's. Many fans.

More Mirt, more El, more Mirt, the fates of the Seven Sisters, more Mirt, fates of the Knights of Myth Drannor, more Mirt, Scotti Amcathra, more Mirt, Cormyr stories, more Mirt, where's Vangey and, lest I forget, MORE MIRT.



What about Mirt?

Me, some of my favorite characters are the ones that either haven't seen much use in fiction, or ones that haven't appeared in fiction at all. I want to see more of Elsura Dauniir, Baelam the Bold, and of course a certain Cormyrian seller of turret tops and spires.

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Markustay
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Wow! That was quick! I was going to add a little something to my last question, but you already answered it.

Thank you (and of course Ed himself) for that quick reply - I'm hoping to have the map done by the end of the day.

As for that line - I'm going with cliffs, and the movement from Abeir to Toril is the perfect explanation for their formation (not all of Laerakond made it intact, and bits of it 'fell off', some into the sea forming island, while other areas merely 'settled' (like that particular edge of the sub-continent). I figure there were cliffs like the northern ones originally all around that coast, but the land 'broke' and a great chunk of it lowered to almost sea-level after the Blue Wind of Change (creating a new clifface set back from the original, much like the well-loved and much-missed landrise in the Shar).

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Oh, and Rimlost is part of Fimbrul, and located as in the FRCG. I have no idea how it made it into the Gontal web piece (which was obviously chopped out of what I wrote for the FRCG for space/wordcount reasons). Being as Bruce's name is attached to that web presentation, he might know.
Thats a bummer, because the name actually fits better with the locale in Gontal. There is no 'rim' in the Fimbrul piece. I guess I can modify the maps (and my homebrew lore) to show the opposite. Having my Grimwings come from the Glaur Barrens works just as well.

Edit: I just came up with an idea that works even better - BOTH locales have the same name ON PURPOSE! The Cult of the Dawn Titans helped to finance the construction of the Keep on the crater, and maintain a small 'chapel' within, ostensibly to help the soldiers with the types of magics priest are so good at. This shoe-horns in perfectly with the nearby ruins and the Queen's interest in them (in other words, she WOULD work with that group). Why the same name? Simple - if anyone overhears members of the cult talking about 'Rimlost', they would just assume the chapel at the frontier fortress was being discussed, thus 'covering their tracks' with a little subterfuge. <end Edit>

I sure wish I had Ed's original maps to work with, but I did follow his advice in his other Returned Abeir post and 'beefed-up' the unexplored, unclaimed areas. My fondest hope is that the new version meets with his approval, and any advice/pointers he may want to provide is much-appreciated.

Now, not to be a pest, but I'm almost finished and I need a wee-bit more help -

Sizes for the city-states known as the Windrise Ports?

I know the sword Lands are all towns, and that Tarmalune is a metropolis, but the scant text given in the FRCG doesn't give me any clue. I'm assuming cities, not towns, but I still need to know rough populations because I use different size symbols for small and large cities (as specified by the DMG).

Thank Ed once again for me for all his help, and just for giving us the Realms to begin with.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 11 Nov 2008 20:35:06
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The Hooded One
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Hi, Markustay. Ed's at work at the library and offline right now (construction work locally), but I can tell you the Windrise Ports are indeed all "cities."
His reply to follow as soon as I can get it to him, I'm thinking...
love,
THO
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